Next target for the war on terror?

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » January 17, 2007, 4:39 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/01 ... index.html

dibit_eq · Post by **dibit_eq** » January 18, 2007, 1:40 pm

Only if that news link mentioned that an untapped deposit of oil was found under the sudan. amirite?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 18, 2007, 1:43 pm

500,000+ barrels a day is a good start!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 18, 2007, 2:13 pm

Just curious has there been any proof of Iraq oil being stolem?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 18, 2007, 2:46 pm

I wish I lived in a world were everything was so black and white and simple. Must be comforting Cartalas.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 18, 2007, 3:00 pm

The oil isn't stolen from Iraq. Halliburton controls it.

on a side note, i paid 1.95 a gallon for gas today

noel · Post by **noel** » January 18, 2007, 3:12 pm

Cartalas wrote:Just curious has there been any proof of Iraq oil being stolem?

Like Lala said, it's not quite that simple.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » January 18, 2007, 3:23 pm

Zamtuk wrote:The oil isn't stolen from Iraq. Halliburton controls it.

on a side note, i paid 1.95 a gallon for gas today

I got it for 1.88 today.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 18, 2007, 4:13 pm

Lalanae wrote:I wish I lived in a world were everything was so black and white and simple. Must be comforting Cartalas.

So the answer is, you have no proof?
And I agree Noel the explination is not that simple so why all the blanket statments?

I believe that the US might control the Oil at this time but I do believe the profits are going to the Iraq's. The oil was not stolen.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 18, 2007, 4:21 pm

but I do believe the profits are going to the Iraq's

L O L

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » January 18, 2007, 5:32 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:I wish I lived in a world were everything was so black and white and simple. Must be comforting Cartalas.
So the answer is, you have no proof?
And I agree Noel the explination is not that simple so why all the blanket statments?

I believe that the US might control the Oil at this time but I do believe the profits are going to the Iraq's. The oil was not stolen.

/em wonders if Cartalas also believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 18, 2007, 6:20 pm

Hesten wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:I wish I lived in a world were everything was so black and white and simple. Must be comforting Cartalas.
So the answer is, you have no proof?
And I agree Noel the explination is not that simple so why all the blanket statments?

I believe that the US might control the Oil at this time but I do believe the profits are going to the Iraq's. The oil was not stolen.
/em wonders if Cartalas also believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

It's great that you are all so all-knowing about world issues (especially anything remotely pertaining to the president). Just curious, if you're so fucking all knowing and intelligent, why are the most of you that don't know when to stop pushing your opinions (because you have no proof, so thats exactly what they are) posting on this message board and not working for the government or actively lobbying to do something about it?

Oh wait, it's because you are mostly democrats and that is your nature.. Sorry for the rhetorical question.

Gas prices go in trends, its been proven and studied. Our gas prices were bound to go back down again, and then they will rise back up. I think there was actually even a thread about this here somewhere. Anyways, save your "OMG GAS PRICES ARE DROPPING THAT MEANS I AM RIGHT AND BUSH IS RAPING THE IRAQIS OF THEIR OIL MONEY OMGOMG IM SO SMART!!!!!11!" For someone other than the group of 15 or 20 of you that really want to hear it.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 18, 2007, 6:26 pm

Actually, in Hesten's case, I'd say it's probably because he lives in Denmark.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 18, 2007, 6:31 pm

Sylvus wrote:Actually, in Hesten's case, I'd say it's probably because he lives in Denmark.

Oh he was just at the end of yet another long line of ignorant comments from uppity people, so it was his post that I quoted - by no means was I singling him out.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 18, 2007, 6:34 pm

Sabek wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:The oil isn't stolen from Iraq. Halliburton controls it.

on a side note, i paid 1.95 a gallon for gas today
I got it for 1.88 today.

fuck you, where?

Post by **Sylvus** » January 18, 2007, 6:36 pm

I figured it'd be cheaper across the board in all of Columbus. Gas stations can keep their overhead down via reduced attendant hiring costs by just placing an ad for recent graduates in the OSU student newspaper.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 18, 2007, 6:52 pm

Side note - I think for the past few weeks gas here has been 1.60 at the highest. It's a nice change especially considering I have to put 92 octane in my car.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » January 18, 2007, 6:58 pm

i invented a car that runs on horse shit but the oil companies are keeping me down

cid · Post by **cid** » January 18, 2007, 7:41 pm

Hesten wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:I wish I lived in a world were everything was so black and white and simple. Must be comforting Cartalas.
So the answer is, you have no proof?
And I agree Noel the explination is not that simple so why all the blanket statments?

I believe that the US might control the Oil at this time but I do believe the profits are going to the Iraq's. The oil was not stolen.
/em wonders if Cartalas also believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 18, 2007, 7:54 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:
Hesten wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:I wish I lived in a world were everything was so black and white and simple. Must be comforting Cartalas.
So the answer is, you have no proof?
And I agree Noel the explination is not that simple so why all the blanket statments?

I believe that the US might control the Oil at this time but I do believe the profits are going to the Iraq's. The oil was not stolen.
/em wonders if Cartalas also believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
It's great that you are all so all-knowing about world issues (especially anything remotely pertaining to the president). Just curious, if you're so fucking all knowing and intelligent, why are the most of you that don't know when to stop pushing your opinions (because you have no proof, so thats exactly what they are) posting on this message board and not working for the government or actively lobbying to do something about it?

Oh wait, it's because you are mostly democrats and that is your nature.. Sorry for the rhetorical question.

Gas prices go in trends, its been proven and studied. Our gas prices were bound to go back down again, and then they will rise back up. I think there was actually even a thread about this here somewhere. Anyways, save your "OMG GAS PRICES ARE DROPPING THAT MEANS I AM RIGHT AND BUSH IS RAPING THE IRAQIS OF THEIR OIL MONEY OMGOMG IM SO SMART!!!!!11!" For someone other than the group of 15 or 20 of you that really want to hear it.

BAGHDAD - Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi Parliament within days.

The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday.

It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in Iraq since the industry was nationalised in 1972.

The huge potential prizes for Western firms will give ammunition to critics who say the Iraq war was fought for oil. They point to statements such as one from Vice-President Dick Cheney, who said in 1999, while he was still chief executive of the oil services company Halliburton, that the world would need an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010.

"So where is the oil going to come from? ... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies," he said.

Western companies to pocket up to three-quarters of profits in the early years, is the only way to get Iraq's oil industry back on its feet after years of sanctions, war and loss of expertise.

But it will operate through "production-sharing agreements" (or PSAs), which are unusual in the Middle East, where the oil industry in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the world's two largest producers, is state controlled.

OMGOMG YOU ARE SO SMART. Taking 75% of the profit is perfectly normal, nothing to see here.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/stor ... d=10418086

Oh wait...

Supporters say the provision allowing oil companies to take up to 75 per cent of the profits will last until they have recouped initial drilling costs. After that, they would collect about 20 per cent of profits, according to industry sources in Iraq. But that is twice the industry average for such deals.

apparently I was wrong again

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 18, 2007, 8:38 pm

Thank you this is the first post Ive seen that explains where you all are comming from, Now I will give you Exxon ( American Country), But isint BP owned by the Brits oh and Shell is a Dutch company.

Now 3 wrongs dont make a right but I do see a few other countries involved here and by the way do you really think OPEC will sit back and let this happen? I didnt think so,

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 18, 2007, 11:45 pm

Cartalas wrote:Thank you this is the first post Ive seen that explains where you all are comming from, Now I will give you Exxon ( American Country), But isint BP owned by the Brits oh and Shell is a Dutch company.

Now 3 wrongs dont make a right but I do see a few other countries involved here and by the way do you really think OPEC will sit back and let this happen? I didnt think so,

Fair enough. Ownership is a interesting question when you're talking about traded multi-national companies... I dare say a good portion of the profits flows into the US from any of those. Doesn't matter anyway, the reporter could have been listing examples of oil companies, I doubt the law lists them, it just enables the government to award the contracts.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 19, 2007, 12:43 am

Funkmasterr wrote:Just curious, if you're so fucking all knowing and intelligent, why are the most of you that don't know when to stop pushing your opinions (because you have no proof, so thats exactly what they are) posting on this message board and not working for the government or actively lobbying to do something about it?

omg people are expressing opinions on an internet message board. Someone call George Bush, stat!

Thank god gas is cheap. You're doing a heckuva job Dubya.

PS: Fucking Democrats.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 19, 2007, 12:43 am

Sylvus wrote:I figured it'd be cheaper across the board in all of Columbus. Gas stations can keep their overhead down via reduced attendant hiring costs by just placing an ad for recent graduates in the OSU student newspaper.

nah, student newspapers are filled with pictures of students getting drunk (seriously) and sports cock sucking.

Tangurena · Post by **Tangurena** » January 19, 2007, 2:55 am

Next target for the war on terror?

Regretably, this administration gets their ideas from The Onion.

The Onion wrote:Bush Announces Iraq Exit Strategy: 'We'll Go Through Iran'

I'm pleased to announce that the Department of Defense and I have formulated a plan for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq," Bush announced Monday morning. "We'll just go through Iran."

Bush said the U.S. Army, which deposed Iran's longtime enemy Saddam Hussein, should be welcomed with open arms by the Islamic-fundamentalist state.

"And Iran's so nearby," Bush said. "It's only a hop, skip, and a jump to the east."

According to White House officials, coalition air units will leave forward air bases in Iraq and transport munitions to undisclosed locations in Iran. After 72 to 96 hours of aerial-bomb retreats, armored-cavalry units will retreat across the Zagros mountains in tanks, armored personnel carriers, and strike helicopters. The balance of the 120,000 troops will exit into the oil-rich borderlands around the Shatt-al-Arab region within 30 days.

{snip}

"The plan also includes a minor stopover for refueling and provisional replenishment in Syria," Casey said. "But I don't expect we'll need more than 50,000 additional troops for that stretch of the Iraq pullout."

Source

Satan wrote:We're also taking other steps to bolster the security of Iraq and protect American interests in the Middle East. I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region. We will expand intelligence-sharing and deploy Patriot air defense systems to reassure our friends and allies. We will work with the governments of Turkey and Iraq to help them resolve problems along their border. And we will work with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating the region.

Source
The insurgents in Iraq have never launched Scuds nor airplanes. Those come from other places, such as Iran or Russia. Moving patriot batteries to Iraq as part of the wave (some pretend it is a surge), means that the "surge" isn't meant to stabilize Iraq, but instead to attack Iran.

One interesting take
Another interesting take

BBC wrote:The bipartisan group of 11 congressmen, led by a Republican, have put forward legislation that states that no previous resolution passed by Congress authorises a US attack on Iran.

Source

Just curious has there been any proof of Iraq oil being stolen?

Back in April 2006, a smuggling ring was broken up. Today, much of the gasolene sold in Iraq is smuggled in from Iran, as Iranian subsidies for gasolene reduce the price to about 25 cents/gallon, making it cheaper to purchase gas at retail in Iran and smuggle it into Iraq.

Police and anti-corruption officials have broken up a vast smuggling ring, stopping more than 1,200 trucks full of crude oil illegally bound for Syria over the past three weeks, the Iraqi government said Friday.

{snip}

Iraqi officials said they seized roughly 50,000 metric tons of oil -- roughly equivalent to 400,000 barrels, about a fifth of Iraq's average daily production -- valued at nearly $28 million...

Source Loses to Nigeria's oil production exceed that per day.

That is called bunkering. Originally, the word meant "filling a ship with fuel oil" because the oil tanks on ships used to be called "bunkers." Bunker oil, or bunker fuel, is a very thick oil, far thicker than diesel (the diesel used in trucks is more correctly known as Number 2 Diesel, but sometimes appears in charts & tables called "distillate"). Nowadays, the word bunkering refers to stealing oil from oil wells, or more commonly, from oil pipelines. It is a huge worldwide business. Nigeria and the former Soviet Union are the two most affected countries in the world. About 500,000 barrels per day of oil get stolen in Nigeria. I have no clue how they manage to move and sell that much oil, as the article indicated that 400,000 barrels of Iraqi oil took up almost 1,200 tanker trucks and 3 weeks to move. BBC articles have stated that the Nigerian rebels/insurgents/criminals have been using barges, although I'm not sure how or why any legitimate purchaser of crude would knowingly purchase stolen oil. Especially that much stolen oil.

Worldwide, the theft of oil is about 100 times the size of the operation stopped in Iraq. Between 20 and 40% of Nigeria's oil production is crippled, cut, or stolen by "insurgents" in the delta region. My estimate is that the Nigerian insurgency costs each of us between 10 and 20 cents per gallon in higher prices for gasolene in the US. These tribes tried to gain their independance back in the late 60s. You might remember the word Biafra. That was going to be the word for their new nation. As a result of losing that war, they've been cut out of sharing any part of the oil revenue of Nigeria, and Nigerian troops and mercenaries routinely kill them and bulldoze entire villages to make room for Shell and other oil companies. They want their land back, they want their villages back, and they want a share of the oil. Pay attention, as you're seeing the same stuff happening in Iraq, and since the Nigerian issue has been festering for more than 35 years with zero sign of let up, you should get an idea of what it will take to "settle" Iraq.

According to official US petroleum import figures, Iraq is the #6 supplier of crude oil to the US. Oh, lookies, Nigeria is #5.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 19, 2007, 3:49 am

The Onion article is SO unrealistic. How could Bush know that Iran is East of Iraq?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 19, 2007, 10:16 am

Supporters say the provision allowing oil companies to take up to 75 per cent of the profits will last until they have recouped initial drilling costs. After that, they would collect about 20 per cent of profits, according to industry sources in Iraq. But that is twice the industry average for such deals.

And the oil companies will most likely actually make less with that deal than they would in other countries....since they have to pay outrageous prices to get anyone to work over there. The risk factor means they are paying at least double normal wages to get people to do anything over in Iraq.....

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » January 19, 2007, 12:51 pm

Well this Democrat, who could probably actually bring about peace with Iran and possibly Iraq if given the chance will abstain from this converstaion...

However I would like to know where you are getting gas at $1.60 a gallon. I've filled up twice this month at $2.32 for 93 octane.

Marb

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » January 19, 2007, 1:11 pm

Zamtuk wrote:
Sabek wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:The oil isn't stolen from Iraq. Halliburton controls it.

on a side note, i paid 1.95 a gallon for gas today
I got it for 1.88 today.
fuck you, where?

Near where I live in Heath/Newark.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 19, 2007, 1:27 pm

Marbus wrote:Well this Democrat, who could probably actually bring about peace with Iran and possibly Iraq if given the chance will abstain from this converstaion...

However I would like to know where you are getting gas at $1.60 a gallon. I've filled up twice this month at $2.32 for 93 octane.

Marb

Most of the gas stations in minnesota.. 1.60 ish is what the lowest octane was around, not the 93.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » January 19, 2007, 2:37 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:I wish I lived in a world were everything was so black and white and simple. Must be comforting Cartalas.
So the answer is, you have no proof?
And I agree Noel the explination is not that simple so why all the blanket statments?

I believe that the US might control the Oil at this time but I do believe the profits are going to the Iraq's. The oil was not stolen.

Saying that having no proof indicates Lalanae's incorrect is also a blanket statement.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 19, 2007, 6:53 pm

I love Wikipedia "Haliburton"

"In November 2002, KBR was tasked to plan oil well firefighting in Iraq, and in February 2003 was issued a contract to conduct the work. Critics contend that it was a no-bid contract, awarded due to Dick Cheney's position as Vice President. Concern was also expressed that the contract could allow KBR to pump and distribute Iraqi oil.[1] Others contend, however, that this was not strictly a no-bid contract, and was invoked under a contract that KBR won "in a competitive bid process."[2] The contract, referred to as LOGCAP, is a contingency-based contract that is invoked at the convenience of the Army. Because the contract is essentially a retainer, specific orders are not competitively bid (as the overall contract was). It has also been argued that when the contract was invoked in a similar manner during the Balkans crisis (when Bill Clinton was president), there was no controversy and very little scrutiny of the contract; proponents of this viewpoint argue that the KBR's LOGCAP contract was made a political issue by opponents of Bush and Cheney.[2] "

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 19, 2007, 7:08 pm

Where are you getting these cheap prices?

http://www.gasbuddy.com/

It's around $2.30 for 87 octane in the Phoenix Metro area.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » January 19, 2007, 10:35 pm

$1.95 for regular unleaded at the Citgo in Alpharetta, GA today.

Edit: And no, I don't typically buy from Citgo. But fuck the Shell, BP, Chevron, and Exxon selling for $2.05.

Traz-KOE · Post by **Traz-KOE** » January 20, 2007, 2:06 am

Ugh. I paid $2.79 today outside of Seattle. I'm sure it's "the weather problems" that is keeping the price artificially high here.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 22, 2007, 12:22 am

Vaemas wrote:$1.95 for regular unleaded at the Citgo in Alpharetta, GA today.

Edit: And no, I don't typically buy from Citgo. But fuck the Shell, BP, Chevron, and Exxon selling for $2.05.

2.15 on the west side of ATL!

As to who would buy all of that stolen crude oil....CHINA

the worst part about our dependence on foreign oil is that it makes us stay associated with all of this madness in these strips of the world that are going to be decimated with conflict until it is gone.

so much money to be made and the politicians are so in bed with the petrochemical industry, that there is really no hope.

really interesting the book Dune written in the 50s. A lot more astute political commentary than it probably gets credit for...and no coincidence the incorporation of Islamic symbolism for the protagonist either, huh?

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » January 22, 2007, 5:07 pm

Winnow wrote:Where are you getting these cheap prices?

http://www.gasbuddy.com/

It's around $2.30 for 87 octane in the Phoenix Metro area.

I paid 2.39

oh it snowed last night too so i guess the world is ending or something

Tuddi2 · Post by **Tuddi2** » January 22, 2007, 11:01 pm

Zamtuk wrote:The oil isn't stolen from Iraq. Halliburton controls it.

on a side note, i paid 1.95 a gallon for gas today

for those of you wanting to feel a bit better about your price of gasoline.

where i live it's aprox $5.90 per gallon