The Official PS3 thread!

Siji · Post by **Siji** » January 9, 2007, 2:15 pm

People that buy PS3s hate America. Winnow told me so.

Why do you hate America?

Zygar · Post by **Zygar** » January 11, 2007, 8:24 pm

Poor Sony.....

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces20 ... d_blu_ray/

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 11, 2007, 8:40 pm

One of the big problems they have with Blu-ray is its expense, followed by its market share. "Blu-ray has superior quality, yes," said a spokesperson for porn studio Bangbros, "but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360."

And I'm not even so sure that's a true statement... As far as Blu-Ray having 'superior quality' that is. Larger capacity? Sure. (For now). That doesn't really equate to superior quality.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 11, 2007, 10:34 pm

The HD-DVD vs BluRay wars are officially over:

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=37088

Porn Industry Chooses HD DVD

They say the reason VHS beat Betamax was because the adult entertainment industry chose VHS. Recently, at their annual get together, which coincidentally coincides with CES, the adult entertainment industry has chosen HD DVD as the preferred high definition format. Will this decision end the war this time around as well?

First of all, the home video market back in the Betamax vs. VHS war is incomparable to the Blu-ray and HD DVD market. Individuals are turning towards the internet for their video needs and more and more portable video players are becoming available. Still, at least when it comes to the porn industry, it seems that HD DVD is winning without question. But, why? First off, Blu-ray discs cannot be replicated, according to Pink Visual. Secondly, Blu-ray isn’t economical; the cost for choosing it as an HD format simply isn’t an option, even for bigger studios. It ultimately comes down to three words: Blu-ray is expensive.

"Blu-ray has superior quality, yes, but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360," said a spokesperson for porn studio Bangbros.

Zygar · Post by **Zygar** » January 11, 2007, 10:51 pm

Ummm, yeah...that's pretty much what I said 2 posts up

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 11, 2007, 11:20 pm

Nice work, but quote a little of it next time!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 11, 2007, 11:38 pm

Winnow wrote:Nice work, but quote a little of it next time!

Which is what Aslanna did directly above your post!

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » January 12, 2007, 12:17 am

Haha, bangbros has spokesmen? Love their work

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 16, 2007, 8:37 pm

Shocker!

PS3s in stock show demand may be softening, analyst says

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - More than half of a group of surveyed stores had Sony Corp.'s PlayStation 3 in stock, while Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s new Wii was sold out, an analyst said on Tuesday in a report signaling demand for the market leader's new console may be soft.

"Our channel checks yesterday of 52 retail stores, from boutiques to big-box retailers, showed that 28 of the 52 stores had PS3 consoles in stock, while none had Wii consoles in stock," American Technology Research analyst Paul-Jon McNealy said in the research note.

He added that those stores with PS3s in stock typically had units numbering in the low single digits, with only one major retailer having 60-plus machines in stock.

McNealy said availability in stores of PS3s, which are more expensive than Wiis, does not necessarily indicate slack demand and that he would continue to monitor PS3 inventories closely.

New video game consoles tend to be in very short supply for months after their release as demand for the latest new machines outweigh manufacturers' ability to turn them out.

Supplies of Sony's (6758.T) PS3 have been limited in the weeks since its mid-November launch and units sitting on store shelves could indicate weak demand for the powerful new machine, which boasts cutting-edge graphics and the company's Blu-Ray high-definition DVD player.

By comparison, shortages of Microsoft Corp.'s (Nasdaq:MSFT - news)
Xbox 360, released in mid-November 2005, lasted well into early 2006.

Nintendo (7974.OS) sold 604,200 Wiis in the United States in December, topping Sony's PS3 sales of 490,700. Sales of the Xbox 360, which has been available for a year longer than the PS3 and Wii, hit 1.1 million in December, retail market research firm NPD said last week.

Sony last week said it shipped 1 million PS3s to North America by the end of 2006, hitting its target by diverting some units from Japan. The high-end version of the console retails for $600 in the United States.

The Japanese company, which saw its
PlayStation 2 dominate the last console cycle, said on Tuesday it had shipped 1 million PS3s to Japan and that global shipments reached 2 million in about two months after the launch, compared with its original target to hit the figure by the end of December.

The PS3 launch was beset by manufacturing delays and speculation is rising that the company will fall far short of its 6 million global shipment target by March.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 1:03 am

If you look at the numbers, the PS3 release blew the 360 release off the map.

From release to year end, the PS3 sold roughly 2 million worldwide.
From release to year end, the 360 sold roughly 1.5 million worldwide.

The PS3 took 7 days to surpass 360 sales for the year in Japan.

By comparison, shortages of Microsoft Corp.'s (Nasdaq:MSFT - news)
Xbox 360, released in mid-November 2005, lasted well into early 2006.

Yeah, thats horseshit.
You could find 360s pretty much anywhere a month after christmas.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 1:07 am

Why did you edit out this part, winnow?

Sony spokesman Dave Karraker said the company is airlifting more than 100,000 systems into the United States every week, which is why units can be found at retail.

"It isn't because demand has weakened, it is because we have kept the supply pipeline moving," Karraker said.

You what else is funny.
The PS2 is still outselling the 360.
1.4 million units in december.

I guess Sony is doing alright in the console market.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 17, 2007, 1:58 am

The PS3 should have sold one billion units by now, maybe a trillion according to posts I was reading on this forum a year ago about the uberness and undeniable greatness of Sony.

BTW, that's the lamest excuse ever for why PS3s are sitting on shelves. Nintendo's providing even more units and you can't get one of those. The Sony fanboi easy sales are over (sooner than expected considering how massively hugely stupendously great Sony is and how monstrously gargantuously megamammoth their dominance is in the console gaming industry (according to sources on this board) that can never be toppled unlike leaders before them in the gaming industry that somehow lost their hold on the lead). Now it's time to convince mom and pop that 600.00 is a great price for god's gift to gaming. Maybe gamers are distracted by WoW's expansion. There, I made an excuse for you. Run with it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2007, 4:00 am

miir wrote:You what else is funny.
The PS2 is still outselling the 360.
1.4 million units in december.

I guess Sony is doing alright in the console market.

Funny? Maybe. Relevant? No.

Who is talking about PS2? That's like.. Last-gen. You sound like a typical Sony press release that I've seen in response to 'disappointing' PS3 sales. "What's that? PS3s can be found sitting on the shelf? Well hey PS2 is outselling the 360!"

PS2 is what? $120 or something? Well there's a shocker that it's selling more than a $300-400 machine. And probably has something to do with $600 consoles not moving as fast as predicted.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 11:15 am

The PS3 should have sold one billion units by now, maybe a trillion according to posts I was reading on this forum a year ago about the uberness and undeniable greatness of Sony

Those posts you were reading a year ago must exist only in your mind... because they certainly don't exist here.

I'd challenge you to provide some quotes, but I already know they don't exist.

BTW, that's the lamest excuse ever for why PS3s are sitting on shelves.

Who's making excuses?
The PS3 is selling well. As well as the 360 sold in the North American market and better than the 360 sold in the Asian market.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 11:38 am

PS2 is what? $120 or something? Well there's a shocker that it's selling more than a $300-400 machine. And probably has something to do with $600 consoles not moving as fast as predicted.

Considering the PS2 was released nearly 7 years ago, it is pretty fucking shocking.

Using your logic, the Xbox should have been flying off the shelves as well. They can be had for $20-30 more than the PS2... but I somehow doubt they sold anywhere near 1.4 million units over the holidays.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 17, 2007, 11:53 am

miir wrote:
The PS3 should have sold one billion units by now, maybe a trillion according to posts I was reading on this forum a year ago about the uberness and undeniable greatness of Sony
Those posts you were reading a year ago must exist only in your mind... because they certainly don't exist here.

I'd challenge you to provide some quotes, but I already know they don't exist.

BTW, that's the lamest excuse ever for why PS3s are sitting on shelves.
Who's making excuses?
The PS3 is selling well. As well as the 360 sold in the North American market and better than the 360 sold in the Asian market.

I don't know how it is elsewhere, and I honestly won't trust any numbers posted by anything/one with any interest in Sony at all, so there probably isn't a way to prove it, BUT around here there are PS3's sitting on the shelves (and its been this way since a few days before Christmas) and people are returning them all the time (being as probably 50% or more people bought them to try and Ebay them and failed miserably.)

Regardless of any of a million different excuses anyone backing the PS3 has made - they had an extra year to refine things while waiting for the Blu-Ray resources to be readily available and they still released a product that was maybe at best 50% ready. Not that I am surprised to see this out of Sony.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2007, 12:32 pm

miir wrote:
PS2 is what? $120 or something? Well there's a shocker that it's selling more than a $300-400 machine. And probably has something to do with $600 consoles not moving as fast as predicted.
Considering the PS2 was released nearly 7 years ago, it is pretty fucking shocking.

Using your logic, the Xbox should have been flying off the shelves as well. They can be had for $20-30 more than the PS2... but I somehow doubt they sold anywhere near 1.4 million units over the holidays.

That's not my logic at all. By that logic Atari 2600s that you can buy for $25 would be flying off the shelves!

But if you want to continue with the Sony spin be my guest.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 12:34 pm

Regardless of any of a million different excuses anyone backing the PS3 has made - they had an extra year to refine things while waiting for the Blu-Ray resources to be readily available and they still released a product that was maybe at best 50% ready. Not that I am surprised to see this out of Sony.

I still have yet to see anyone making excuses.

I don't know how it is elsewhere, and I honestly won't trust any numbers posted by anything/one with any interest in Sony at all

Sony would be incredibly fucking stupid to lie about their sales figures and the number of units they shipped. They main concern is not to feed favorable numbers to the bloggers and market analysts.
They answer to their shareholders, not the press.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 17, 2007, 12:45 pm

Word on the street is that the ATi GPU in the PS3 is ass. Sony wasted a year trying to get the Cell Processor to handle graphics and then took a last minute fix from ATi. Now they're stuck using Cell Processor cycles to make up for what the ATi GPU can't do. They're also stuck with that weakest link in their console now which is why Bill Gates said the PS3 will never had a graphics advantage over the 360 at CES. I doubt he was talking out of his ass.

There's no way there should be PS3 stacked in stores this early into release.

When it comes to Blu Ray vs HD DVD connected to consoles, each time a 360 HD DVD is sold, we know it's to view HD movies because that's all you can do with it (can hook up to PC and watch movies there as well).

PS3's looking like a console with an innovative new CPU combined with crap GPU, rumbleless, Bluetooth/Wi Fi conflicted controller, and a HD optical format that's looking more and more like it's going to lose, or at least certainly not dominate. Including it in a gaming console basically just caused more delays and skyrocketed the unit cost.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 12:53 pm

Winnow wrote:Word on the street is that the ATi GPU in the PS3 is ass. Sony wasted a year trying to get the Cell Processor to handle graphics and then took a last minute fix from ATi. Now they're stuck using Cell Processor cycles to make up for what the ATi GPU can't do. They're also stuck with that weakest link in their console now which is why Bill Gates said the PS3 will never had a graphics advantage over the 360 at CES. I doubt he was talking out of his ass.

There's no way there should be PS3 stacked in stores this early into release.

When it comes to Blu Ray vs HD DVD connected to consoles, each time a 360 HD DVD is sold, we know it's to view HD movies because that's all you can do with it (can hook up to PC and watch movies there as well).

PS3's looking like a console with an innovative new CPU combined with crap GPU, rumbleless, Bluetooth/Wi Fi conflicted controller, and a HD optical format that's looking more and more like it's going to lose, or at least certainly not dominate. Including it in a gaming console basically just caused more delays and skyrocketed the unit cost.

Quoted for future reference.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 17, 2007, 1:23 pm

miir wrote:
By comparison, shortages of Microsoft Corp.'s (Nasdaq:MSFT - news)
Xbox 360, released in mid-November 2005, lasted well into early 2006.
Yeah, thats horseshit.
You could find 360s pretty much anywhere a month after christmas.

Really? I guess that's why my tracker didn't start to really go off regularly until April and May.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 17, 2007, 4:47 pm

Just for Clarification:

The 360 is the one using the ATi Graphics chip.

The PS3 is using an offshoot of the nVidia 7800 called the RSX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Rea ... hesizer%27

Staff at Sony were quoted in Playstation Magazine saying that the "RSX shares a lot of inner workings with NVIDIA 7800 which is based on G70 architecture. Since the G70 is capable of carrying out 136 shader operations per clock cycle, the RSX is expected to feature the same number of parallel pixel and vertex shader pipelines as the G70, which contains 24 pixel and 8 vertex pipelines.[citation needed]

RSX will be clocked at 550 MHz, which is significantly lower than the current G71 architecture which can achieve clocks of 650 MHz (featured on G71-based 7900 GTX) or more. It has been further usurped as well by Nvidia's newer G80 series of PC graphics cards, which feature Shader Model 4.0 as well as a more flexible unified shader architecture.[citation needed]

NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang stated during Sony's pre-show press conference at E3 2005 that the RSX will be more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined.

What Sony needs to be doing is providing developpers with solid API's so they can start making great games for the platform. Many many devs have gone on record stating that the PS3 is hard to develop on and Sony needs to help these people out.

Gabe Newell of Valve actually called the PS3 a complete disaster in an interview in the latest edition of Game Informer. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156403)

If Sony is in fact compensating for the less powerful GPU by offloading some graphics tasks on the Cell, that would explain why they had to split that 512mb or ram between the Cell and the RSX as opposed to having 1 general purpose pool like the 360 has.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 17, 2007, 4:58 pm

My bad. The RSX is ass due to the rush job in making the 6800 architecture work with the PS3.

An official ass-retraction has been sent to ATi.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 5:45 pm

Once again, Winnow has no fucking clue about the shit he spews.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2007, 5:46 pm

Sony Confirm Rip Off Britain - PS3 Priced at £425 ($837)

Sony has once again confrimed that the PS3 60GB will go on sale in the UK for £425, at todays exchange rate that translates to $837. The price if converted into euros is even around 50 euros higher which makes it the most expensive region to pick up a PS3 (major regions). The Wii is on sale for £179, an Xbox 360 can be snapped up for £199, will Brits go crazy for the PS3 at £425? Something tells us the power of Playstation brand can't overcome this in abundance, time will tell. It is reported that it is not SONY who want such high margins but the greedy retailers themsleves.

I think Ireland is $30 more. Start saving those Euros!

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 5:53 pm

Gabe Newell of Valve actually called the PS3 a complete disaster in an interview in the latest edition of Game Informer. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156403)

By the same token, I guess you could say that the development and release of Half Life 2 was a complete disaster... what with code being leaked/stolen, the numerous delays and not to mention the complete and total piece of shit that was Steam at release.

Glass houses and all that....

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2007, 6:01 pm

miir wrote:
Gabe Newell of Valve actually called the PS3 a complete disaster in an interview in the latest edition of Game Informer. (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156403)
By the same token, I guess you could say that the development and release of Half Life 2 was a complete disaster... what with code being leaked/stolen, the numerous delays and not to mention the complete and total piece of shit that was Steam at release.

Glass houses and all that....

Again.. Not exactly relevant. So their product development/release didn't go as planned. How does that have any affect on his opinion about the PS3?

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 6:07 pm

A person who's company botched the release of their flagship product is critizing another company for botching the release of their flagship product.

The similarities make it relevant.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2007, 6:15 pm

Not really.

He's criticizing the PS3 on 'many levels' not simply a "botched release."

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2007, 6:19 pm

People were criticizing Steam on many levels.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 17, 2007, 6:30 pm

miir wrote:Once again, Winnow has no fucking clue about the shit he spews.

When I make a mistake, I acknowledge it as I did above. Refreshing isn't it? You're excused from doing the same as I don't want your post count to suddenly double and crash VV.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 17, 2007, 6:31 pm

Newell may critisize the PS3 all he likes, the fact remains that they're still putting out Half-Life 2:Orange for it so all he's really doing is fueling the fire and baiting internet trolls for the sake of it.

If he really wanted to make a statement on the PS3, they would pull the project from it completely but that ain't gonna happen.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2007, 6:36 pm

miir wrote:People were criticizing Steam on many levels.

Who cares? What's with the misdirection? "PS3s on shelf? Oh look how many PS2s we sold!" "Valve criticizing us about the PS3? They can't even release a software product they have no room to criticize!"

Again. Not really relevant to the topic at hand. Either they are valid points or they aren't.

Maybe you should change your name to Rellix since he's not using it anymore.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » January 17, 2007, 6:46 pm

Winnow wrote:My bad. The RSX is ass due to the rush job in making the 6800 architecture work with the PS3.

An official ass-retraction has been sent to ATi.

So once again, you were talking out of your ass. Big shock there. Please take a break from the fucking fanboi frenzy and do what you basically told everyone else to do at the release of the 360; wait until a year after release until the real games start comming out and make objective comparisons then. As it stands, the 360 is not exactly widely defying its critics expectations:

No market share at all in Japan.
No front line games beyond shooters.
Mediocre RPG lineup.
No major breakthrough titles exclusive to the console.

You do know that the fucking burger king games outsold gears of war right? And even they are technically ports since they also play on the regular Xbox.

So here we are a year later, and aside from games that grab my wife's attention for a week at most, the only games I have played have been two non exclusive RPGs (Oblivion, Enchanted Arms) and the fucking piniata game. IF it were not for Astropop, the thing would have not been turned on for almost four months. The only game I am looking forward to, personally, is Blue Dragon and the most anticipated game for most people I know is a two year old PS2 port (Guitar Hero).

So, man on the street, kindly shut the fuck up until the PS3 has been out a year and confine your gaying up of threads to your own Microsoft circle jerks until then.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 17, 2007, 7:00 pm

It's more like a port of a 3 month old Guitar Hero 2.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 17, 2007, 8:46 pm

Jice Virago wrote: You do know that the fucking burger king games outsold gears of war right? And even they are technically ports since they also play on the regular Xbox.

It must seem like a fucking miracle for you to find a fault with one of my posts even after I acknowledge it unlike most. Good for you!

Sure, when a game cost 4.95 or whatever, it's going to sell well. Booger King's games sold over 2 million. Gears of War has either hit or is closing in on 3 million sold.

360 > PS3

Guitar Hero II for the 360 will also have downloadable songs.

I don't care what games you're personally looking forward to. There are plenty of games scheduled for release on the 360 this year that will sell well regardless whether you like them or not. (Halo 3 will be a mega seller and I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't care if you don't dig it personally) The PS3's prima donna (MGS4, FFXIII) games are questionable to even make it out in 2007.

Here's a nice overview of the games being released in 2007 for PS3 and 360 from another thread I "gayed" up:

PS3:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 8&Itemid=2

360:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 6&Itemid=2

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » January 17, 2007, 9:50 pm

I like how now that both systems are live, fanboys have stopped slap-fighting over which is better, and have moved on to sheepishly arguing which sucks least.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2007, 9:55 pm

Just for the record I have neither XBOX or PS3. I'm not even saying the PS3 will fail. I just find it funny how Sony focuses on the PS2 sales instead of commenting on PS3.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 18, 2007, 7:35 am

Make sure you use Sony's officially licensed video cables kids...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789061

Just got off the phone with Sony Support. Because I have a generic brand of component cables, instead of officially licensed Sony components, Sony has voided the warranty on my PS3 and will only replace it for $150 dollars!

miir · Post by **miir** » January 18, 2007, 11:30 am

Animalor wrote:Make sure you use Sony's officially licensed video cables kids...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789061

Just got off the phone with Sony Support. Because I have a generic brand of component cables, instead of officially licensed Sony components, Sony has voided the warranty on my PS3 and will only replace it for $150 dollars!

The PS3 warranty states:

THIS WARRANTY SHALL ALSO BE VOIDABLE BY SCEA IF (1) SCEA REASONABLY BELIEVES THAT THE PS3TM SYSTEM HAS BEEN USED IN A MANNER THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF A SEPARATE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR SYSTEM SOFTWARE; OR (2) THE PRODUCT IS USED WITH PRODUCTS NOT SOLD OR LICENSED BY SCEA (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, NON-LICENSED GAME ENHANCEMENT DEVICES, CONTROLLERS, ADAPTORS AND POWER SUPPLY DEVICES).

The 360 warranty states:

This Limited Warranty shall not apply and Microsoft has no liability under this Limited Warranty if the Xbox Product:

Is used with products not sold or licensed by Microsoft (including, but not limited to, non-licensed games and game enhancement devices, adaptors and power supply sources) or which are otherwise incompatible;

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 18, 2007, 11:53 am

Jice Virago wrote:
Winnow wrote:My bad. The RSX is ass due to the rush job in making the 6800 architecture work with the PS3.

An official ass-retraction has been sent to ATi.
So once again, you were talking out of your ass. Big shock there. Please take a break from the fucking fanboi frenzy and do what you basically told everyone else to do at the release of the 360; wait until a year after release until the real games start comming out and make objective comparisons then. As it stands, the 360 is not exactly widely defying its critics expectations:

No market share at all in Japan.
No front line games beyond shooters.
Mediocre RPG lineup.
No major breakthrough titles exclusive to the console.

You do know that the fucking burger king games outsold gears of war right? And even they are technically ports since they also play on the regular Xbox.

So here we are a year later, and aside from games that grab my wife's attention for a week at most, the only games I have played have been two non exclusive RPGs (Oblivion, Enchanted Arms) and the fucking piniata game. IF it were not for Astropop, the thing would have not been turned on for almost four months. The only game I am looking forward to, personally, is Blue Dragon and the most anticipated game for most people I know is a two year old PS2 port (Guitar Hero).

So, man on the street, kindly shut the fuck up until the PS3 has been out a year and confine your gaying up of threads to your own Microsoft circle jerks until then.

1- You need to relax
2- RPG's are not the best selling genre for consoles anymore whether they are your favorite or not.
3- Saying that no breakthrough proprietary titles have been made for the 360 then stating gears in the next sentence makes you look like a complete idiot.
4- The burger king games probably outsold a lot of big selling games.. because they were 3.99, so that point is invalid.
5- The list of exclusive titles being released for the 360 this year is daunting, and I haven't heard of jack shit for the PS3.. What another Final Fantasy game with the same recycled ideas/battle systems, etc the past 20 of them have had.

Comparing the 360 to the PS3 is like comparing Olympic sprinter Michael Johnson to a special olympics medalist in the 100 yard wheel chair dash.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 18, 2007, 11:57 am

The fact remains that RPG are usually the top selling console games.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 18, 2007, 12:25 pm

miir wrote:The PS3 warranty states:

THIS WARRANTY SHALL ALSO BE VOIDABLE BY SCEA IF (1) SCEA REASONABLY BELIEVES THAT THE PS3TM SYSTEM HAS BEEN USED IN A MANNER THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF A SEPARATE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR SYSTEM SOFTWARE; OR (2) THE PRODUCT IS USED WITH PRODUCTS NOT SOLD OR LICENSED BY SCEA (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, NON-LICENSED GAME ENHANCEMENT DEVICES, CONTROLLERS, ADAPTORS AND POWER SUPPLY DEVICES).
The 360 warranty states:

This Limited Warranty shall not apply and Microsoft has no liability under this Limited Warranty if the Xbox Product:

Is used with products not sold or licensed by Microsoft (including, but not limited to, non-licensed games and game enhancement devices, adaptors and power supply sources) or which are otherwise incompatible;

While that's probably true I haven't seen any posts stating Microsoft wouldn't honor a 360 warranty simply because the cables used weren't licensed by Microsoft.

My question is how would they even know what cables you use?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 18, 2007, 12:35 pm

They probably tried to trick the person. Just like when I called into their outsourced call center to ask why for 5 different achievements in gears I had double or more the amount of kills to unlock the achievement and it was still not unlocked.

They tried to get out of supporting me by asking an array of question, including but not limited to: Am I using a router, is my xbox plugged into a surge protector, etc etc. I fully expect companies to make any excuse to void my warranty on things I buy so I just lie when I know they are asking a question like that.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 18, 2007, 12:51 pm

miir wrote:The fact remains that RPG are usually the top selling console games.

Model T's used to be the best selling cars.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 18, 2007, 1:05 pm

I wouldn't expect MS to honor warrenty if the machine came back with a melted power socket because of the flawed 1st gen Nyko Intercoolers but a video cable carries a signal one way to your TV.

Had anyone ever heard of a video cable, officially licensed or not, burning out a system?

miir · Post by **miir** » January 18, 2007, 1:34 pm

Winnow wrote:
miir wrote:The fact remains that RPG are usually the top selling console games.
Model T's used to be the best selling cars.

Final Fantasy XII sold close to 2 million copies in it's first week in Japan.
It sold close to 1.5 million copies in it's first week in North America.

By comparison, the fastest selling 360 game (GOW) took 2 weeks to hit the million mark worldwide.

Kingdom Hearts sold 1 million units in it's first 3 days of Japanese release, and 1 million in North America in a little over 3 weeks.

So it looks to me like console RPGs (especially Squenix RPGs) were a hot commodity even in 2006.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » January 18, 2007, 1:51 pm

Yeah, a lot of people like to pay 60 or 70 dollars for a game that I would venture to guess 75% of people will never complete in their lifetime.

I just don't think that the 360 not having a good lineup of RPG's means jack shit. If it is such a big deal to you that you do this, buy a PS3 then and buy the 5 or 6 good RPG's that come out in the next 2 or 3 years for it. At least you can use it for a dvd/blu ray player in between.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 18, 2007, 2:28 pm

I wish that Squenix put out their games as multi-platform but I'm not going to buy a PS3 specifically for their games.

Looking forward to what they do with Project Sylpheed for the 360.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 18, 2007, 8:19 pm

Some recent Bill Gates quotes:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 0&Itemid=2

Bill Gates has been talking frankly about his vision for Xbox 360 and the games market in the year ahead, including some barbed words for Sony and Nintendo.

On a Bigger Hard Drive and IPTV

"In an IPTV environment, there is no reason to put anything down on a hard disk because you created a broadband infrastructure that has enough capacity to stream individual video streams to everybody on the network. We don't need to change [Xbox 360] at all to do the IPTV thing."

On the Xbox 360 Strategy

"It's working perfectly. We wanted to be the guy with the small box that costs less. We wanted to have the most games. We wanted to play to our software strength, and tools and online. We wanted to swap positions with Sony. We wanted to not be a year late, not be a big box, not be a more expensive box. How are we doing on that?"

On Sony

" They were going to have the Cell be the video processor. But they didn't know what they were doing. They said the Cell is the video processor. But they turned to Nvidia at the last minute, but Nvidia can't do embedded DRAM. Go look at the bandwidth problems. Go ask the guys running ... now. They took their year and burned it by not having a decent CPU strategy and then turning to Nvidia at the last minute. It's a very unusual thing. Those processors are isolated from each other.