BCS Title Game

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » January 9, 2007, 12:21 am

Wow. It's like they took my high school football team and put Buckeye uniforms on them.

I hate losing, but I really wish the Buckeyes would have at least showed up for the game...

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 9, 2007, 12:23 am

Not a huge OSU fan but I get a huge dose of them thanks to living here. I have never seen them this rusty. The 50 days off has obviously hurt them and with Ginn out their offense got hit bad.

That said, Florida is playing great. I have always liked Leak and am glad to see him playing well. Their defense is not as good as it has shown here htough, the OSU o-line is obviously on vacation is still (which is also why Smith has had zero chance to play well).

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » January 9, 2007, 12:28 am

Actually Florida does have a really good D and try not to use the excuse that they havn't played in 50 days. You either show up and play or you don't. They practice almost every day so its not like they just stopped playing football for 50 days.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 9, 2007, 12:34 am

They have a good D. It is not THIS good. Sorry. And yeah, not playing for a long period of time has a major impact on a team, anyone who has ever done team sports (including myself) will tell you that. Practice is nothing like playing a real game.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 9, 2007, 12:40 am

20 pt lead at half time by a team not in Ohio!

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » January 9, 2007, 12:41 am

Trust me I know the effects on time off in Football I played for 10 years at almost every lvl (granted this doesn't include NFL). It still boils down to you either show up or you don't. After 1 qtr you should have worked the kinks out. This is also the best D OSU has faced all year granted Ginn isn't playing but they have other weapons too.

The only acceptable excuses would be something like half our team got struck by lightning or a flock of wild canarys attacked us as we left the locker room. Other than shit like that you either show up or you don't

Siji · Post by **Siji** » January 9, 2007, 12:46 am

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 9, 2007, 1:52 am

bahahahahahaha

retiredwikit · Post by **retiredwikit** » January 9, 2007, 1:53 am

Zamtuk wrote:44-17

wow

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » January 9, 2007, 2:00 am

Wooohooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

2nd best football game this season! (1st OF COURSE being the Boise State/Oklahoma game)

noel · Post by **noel** » January 9, 2007, 2:10 am

I didn't really care who won, but I will say that I'm completely shocked by the margin of victory. Clearly the 50 days off wasn't beneficial for Ohio State.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 9, 2007, 2:20 am

noel wrote: National Championship:
OSU 41 - UofF 24 (with a garbage touchdown toward the end when it doesn't matter)

Noel came closest although he got the team scores mixed up and OSU didn't score that garbage time TD to make it look a littler closer!

This is a little sweet revenge. ASU just needed to win the Rosebowl in 1997 to win the national title and was beaten by OSU. OSU just needed to win tonight's game to win the national title and lost...at least ASU lost on the last drive with less than a minute to play in a hard fought game!

In retrospect, if we all knew what we know now, USC should have played Florida for the National Title and OSU and Michigan could have played each other again with everyone saying how they were better than everyone else...who would have known any different with all the football lore being thrown around when those two teams play.

Still not sure where to place Boise St in all of this. Grats to the Gators. They pummeled OSU more than USC pummeled Michigan.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » January 9, 2007, 2:41 am

Winnow wrote:This is a little sweet revenge. ASU just needed to win the Rosebowl in 1997 to win the national title and was beaten by OSU. OSU just needed to win tonight's game to win the national title and lost...at least ASU lost on the last drive with less than a minute to play in a hard fought game!

Except ASU wasn't in this game.

Neither was OSU apparently...

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 9, 2007, 8:46 am

The Big 10 Sucks, enough said.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » January 9, 2007, 10:06 am

I guess the AP is reporting that Ted Ginn Jr. admitted after the game he hurt his foot jumping around, celebrating on the sideline after the Kickoff return.

Florida seemed like they had 16 players on defense. There is no other logical explanation for all the blitzing, and yet Troy felt his receivers were completely blanketed.

OSU's front 4 couldn't get to Leak and hit him to rattle him.

All the way around it was an ugly game for OSU, and Florida showed they were number 1 last night.

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » January 9, 2007, 10:58 am

Winnow wrote: In retrospect, if we all knew what we know now, USC should have played Florida for the National Title and OSU and Michigan could have played each other again with everyone saying how they were better than everyone else

Just replace USC with LSU and you would be 100% correct. Too bad LSU didn't show up when they played the gators as well. At least I have the Saints to look forward to this weekend.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » January 9, 2007, 11:24 am

Winnow wrote:
noel wrote: National Championship:
OSU 41 - UofF 24 (with a garbage touchdown toward the end when it doesn't matter)
Noel came closest although he got the team scores mixed up and OSU didn't score that garbage time TD to make it look a littler closer!

This is a little sweet revenge. ASU just needed to win the Rosebowl in 1997 to win the national title and was beaten by OSU. OSU just needed to win tonight's game to win the national title and lost...at least ASU lost on the last drive with less than a minute to play in a hard fought game!

In retrospect, if we all knew what we know now, USC should have played Florida for the National Title and OSU and Michigan could have played each other again with everyone saying how they were better than everyone else...who would have known any different with all the football lore being thrown around when those two teams play.

Still not sure where to place Boise St in all of this. Grats to the Gators. They pummeled OSU more than USC pummeled Michigan.

How is this revenge for ASU? They weren't in the game retard.

Maybe it's because the game was played in Arizona.

Florida winning just proves that second life and Xbox are the greatest evar.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » January 9, 2007, 12:15 pm

I must say I had a premonition earlier in the day that OSU would lose. I am a football coach and I must say that a 51 day layoff is huge. Nothing replaces game speed in practice. Add that to losing your #1 playmaker on offense and your game planning takes a huge hit. It also allows the defense to do more blitzing because they aren't forced to drop as many people into coverage. If both teams had the same amount of layoff then it wouldn't make any difference but Florida only had half that amount of a layoff. The other thing to consider is that OSU had to practice that 51 days in OHIO (brr) while Florida had nice weather. Weather makes a huge difference in practicing. If you are cold, wet and miserable then you won't pay nearly as much attention. 51 days of that and I am not surprised to see them lose.

The other thing I noticed is that OSU seemed to give up on the run way to early. Florida sucked them into their style of football, fast play. THey should of tried to pound the ball a bit more. The other thing that killed OSU was that damn zone defense. they should have seen it wasn't working in the first quarter and adjusted to it. Instead it was like they were throwing the game. Even Leak can throw little 5 yard slants all day and look good doing it. Hell I could do it. It made Florida's line look good too but when you are throwing short little passes like that all game then you don't have to worry about protecting the QB.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 9, 2007, 12:26 pm

Winnow wrote:In retrospect, if we all knew what we know now, USC should have played Florida for the National Title and OSU and Michigan could have played each other again with everyone saying how they were better than everyone else...who would have known any different with all the football lore being thrown around when those two teams play.

That's a load of shit. In retrospect, Ohio State should still have played in the national championship game because they were undefeated. If you think last night's performance was a result of both teams playing their best football, I disagree with that. I think UF was playing their best football, and Ohio State played as poorly as I've seen them play in years. It's quite possible, perhaps even probable, that if Ohio State were playing up to the form that they had been for most of the year, Florida still would have won, but that wasn't even close to their regular form last night.

So what did the game prove last night? Not a whole lot, other than that just about any team can beat just about any other team depending on the day of the week. And it proves that I was wrong for saying that Florida had no place in that game. I was wrong about that, you can quote me on that one. Does it prove that the SEC is better than the Big 10? I don't think so. Arkansas and Tennessee both lost to Big 10 teams, LSU did almost exactly the same thing to a weak Notre Dame team that Michigan and USC both did. The transitive property of equality doesn't work in football, unless you're actually implying that South Carolina is a better team than Ohio State, as they played a much more competitive game with Florida than Ohio State did. Though if you're going that route, then the Big 10 teams who lost to Michigan and Ohio State and beat SEC teams who beat other SEC teams say the same thing, and it all turns into a big clusterfuck.

Congrats Florida, you played a phenomenal game and deserve the National Championship.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 9, 2007, 4:04 pm

"So what did the game prove last night?"

It proved Florida is better then Ohio State this year.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 9, 2007, 4:19 pm

I will never fail to marvel at how succinctly you can refute any claim or opinion. Once again, I have been bested!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 9, 2007, 4:31 pm

Sylvus wrote:I will never fail to marvel at how succinctly you can refute any claim or opinion. Once again, I have been bested!

You talked smack about how good the Big 10 was all year, Now that the Big 10 gets blasted in bowl games its time to eat crow. Oh if you want to ride on the Success of Penn State and Wisconsin in the " I dont give a fuck bowl", and the " OMG there is a bowl game in Orlando bowl" go ahead but your top teams got fucking owned.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 9, 2007, 4:41 pm

This isn't directed at OSU but doesn't every losing team have some sort of excuse? Time off, weather, injuries, aliens, bad coaching, bad players, ugly cheerleaders...

It's not possible for a game to be played without some factor being brought up by the losing team.

That's as bad as Oklahoma fans complaining about Boise St using trick plays to win. "They couldn't win normally so had to resort to trick plays." huh?

ASU should have won the national championship in 1997 but a groundskeeper failed to prepare the field adequately causing an ASU corner to slip...I made that up! I can dream up some other excuses too. Pat Tilman was checking out Jake Plummer's ass on the sideline while thinking about enlisting in the army and lost a step on the fifth play of the second half, causing a missed tackle which ended up costing ASU the game.

Undefeated? I think Boise St. has something to say about that and who should have played for the National Championship.

An eight team playoff wouldn't be perfect (16 teams wouldn't be practical) but you'd have a much better chance of including the best team in that format than voting on it or number crunching. Most other sports even have a series between teams to determine the champion because everyone knows that anything is possible in one game. The question is do you want the National Champion to be the best team or the luckiest team? I'd say a little of both but right now it favors luck more than skill.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 9, 2007, 4:42 pm

I think the Gator D came out with a few things to prove, namely that they CAN dominate without Smokey McPot (aka Marcus Thomas) and that they have the horses to run with anybody.

I haven't seen the offense play that well all season. Chris Leak was a fucking surgeon last night, hitting his receivers in stride the instant they found holes in the zone.

I'd talk more shit, but my head is killing me and I need a nap. Glad I scheduled today off.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 9, 2007, 5:05 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Sylvus wrote:I will never fail to marvel at how succinctly you can refute any claim or opinion. Once again, I have been bested!
You talked smack about how good the Big 10 was all year, Now that the Big 10 gets blasted in bowl games its time to eat crow. Oh if you want to ride on the Success of Penn State and Wisconsin in the " I dont give a fuck bowl", and the " OMG there is a bowl game in Orlando bowl" go ahead but your top teams got fucking owned.

There you go! Now you're forming the beginnings of what adults like to call a conversation. I knew you could do it!

So your assertion is that Florida beating Ohio State makes the SEC stronger than the Big 10? USC beating Michigan would obviously then make the PAC 10 stronger than the Big 10, where do they fall in with the SEC then? Does LSU's bowl win over an independent ND mean more than the Big 10 victories over actual SEC teams, even though the Big 10, PAC 10, and SEC all beat Notre Dame by virtually identical scores? Or do Bowl Games prove exactly jack and shit?

My thought is the latter. If you truly believe that the dismal performance handed in by Ohio State last night speaks anything to the quality of the Big 10, you're wrong. I'm not trying to take away from Florida, like I said they won and deserve the national championship, but that wasn't even close to the Ohio State team that won their last 19 games before last night. I don't know if they were just overconfident and didn't respect the Florida team, if Ginn's injury messed up the game plan that badly, or if playing a 12 week season and then having more than 7 weeks off before the bowl is that much of a problem (to say it has no effect is hogwash), but they did not get up for the game and Florida got up for the game like nobody's business. Every team that Florida played this year, barring Western Carolina, produced more offense than Ohio State. That doesn't seem at all odd? Ohio State is worse than, say, Southern Miss?

The things that the game last night taught me are that Florida is a better team than I gave them credit for, and that we definitely need a playoff. And I'd like to see that playoff happen at most a bye week after the regular season.

Congratulations, masteen. Though I think it's cheating because it's your birthday today, a higher power was obviously looking out for you.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 9, 2007, 6:22 pm

im not discussing this game.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » January 9, 2007, 6:51 pm

So in Cartlas's mind set. Penn State would have beat Florida due to the fact they shoved the football down Tennessee's mouth and won by 10 points? Where as Tennessee lost to Florida by 1 point = Penn State National Champs! Woooo!

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » January 9, 2007, 6:54 pm

But if anything this should slap the big 10 upside its head. Having their season,all besides playing at Hawaii,end almost a month before everyone else is stupid.

Do I think Florida is the better team? In the game yes. Over all no, and thats because the Buck eyes decided not to show up and pull a UM and choke.

I think everyone forgets. Boise State is the true UNDEFEATED Champion of college football.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 9, 2007, 7:20 pm

This might be the first time I've ever said this: Cartalas is right.

Sylvus wrote:So what did the game prove last night? Not a whole lot, other than that just about any team can beat just about any other team depending on the day of the week.

Turns out that sports are played on the field, not in the metaphysical ether. On the field, Ohio State got fucking blasted beyond belief. Troy Smith produced six net offensive yards. SIX. What did it prove? That Florida is the national champion. The Rams may have been 'better' than the Patriots in SB XXXVI, but guess who's got a ring on their finger? You don't play games to 'prove' anything, you play games to WIN them. Florida did that, while Ohio State, Michigan, and much of the rest of the Big Ten did not.

Sylvus wrote:And it proves that I was wrong for saying that Florida had no place in that game. I was wrong about that, you can quote me on that one.

Done.

Sylvus wrote:So your assertion is that Florida beating Ohio State makes the SEC stronger than the Big 10? USC beating Michigan would obviously then make the PAC 10 stronger than the Big 10, where do they fall in with the SEC then? Does LSU's bowl win over an independent ND mean more than the Big 10 victories over actual SEC teams, even though the Big 10, PAC 10, and SEC all beat Notre Dame by virtually identical scores? Or do Bowl Games prove exactly jack and shit?

It's based on more than one bowl game. Here's a few facts for you:

The Big Ten finished the season 77-61, the SEC 96-59
The Big Ten placed 4 teams in the season-ending top 25, the SEC 6
The Big Ten went 2-5 in bowl games, the SEC 6-3 (PS: The only conferences to win fewer bowl games were the Sun Belt, the MAC, and C-USA)

Perhaps a good way to measure the Big Ten is to look at the opportunities their good teams had to get big out-of-conference wins, and see how they did:

Ohio State: Beat Texas (#13), got MURDERED by Florida (#1)
Michigan: Beat Notre Dame (#17), got slammed by USC (#4)
Wisconsin: Beat Arkansas (#15)
Penn State: Beat Tennessee (#25), got hammered by Notre Dame (#17)

That seems to place the Big Ten's top teams exactly where they deserve to be: Good, but not the best.

The championship game didn't prove that the SEC is better than the Big 10. The whole season proved that. The championship game was simply a demonstration.

Sylvus wrote:If you truly believe that the dismal performance handed in by Ohio State last night speaks anything to the quality of the Big 10, you're wrong

No, you're wrong. What's the best out of conference team that's lost to a Big 10 team this year? That'd be #13 Texas. Sorry, but that's not good enough to demonstrate your quality. THAT'S why bowl games are important: It's often the only chance to match the absolute best teams from different conferences against one another. Picking up some relatively good wins against some pretty good teams (like, say, Notre Dame or Texas) is no substitute for picking up big wins against the absolute best teams in the nation. The Big 10 had two chances to pick up a marquee win that would have demonstrated the overall toughness and competitiveness of the league, and those two chances were against Florida and USC. Combined score: 73-32. Combined wins: Zero. Number of games that were still competitive in the second half: Zero.

Hey, maybe if you played this whole season back again, things would go differently and the Big 10 would come out on top. I don't know, and neither do you. The bottom line is that seasons are for playing, not imagining, and you only play them once. This one has been played, and the result is that the Big 10 got absolutely fucking humiliated.

Zamtuk wrote:im not discussing this game.

I don't think there's a need for you to do so. Your posts prior to the game speak volumes on their own.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 9, 2007, 7:48 pm

Saying that Ohio State didn't show up is the weakest excuse I've seen in a long time...what in the world could be more motivating than a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Winner takes all.

I had to break out the CAPS on that one.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » January 9, 2007, 8:05 pm

So what did the game prove last night?

That we need a playoff.
/Sigh

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 9, 2007, 8:47 pm

It's pretty well known how good Pete Carrol is at tweaking his game plans, and if you give that man a month, he could probably out coach God in a bowl game. I think that Urban is definitely getting to that level.

OSU's weak schedule also contributed, as when Florida came out and showed that they were in Glendale to scrap and not just to kiss the proverbial ring, the Buckeyes didn't know what to do.

p.s. BEST BIRTHDAY PRESENT EVAR! But I feel every second of those 33 years today.

Asheran Mojomaster · January 10, 2007, 12:06 am

WOOO AUBURN = NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! We beat Florida

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Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » January 10, 2007, 1:26 am

Raistin wrote:I think everyone forgets. Boise State is the true UNDEFEATED Champion of college football.

Hellz yeah! Go SMURF TURF!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 10, 2007, 10:02 am

Yea.....did any other conference have a team play the #2 ranked team 3 times this year? OSU did with a 2-1 record. If the Big 10 was smart, they would schedule 2-3 weeks into their regular season where they just have weeks off. With the bowl season stretching out longer than at any time in college football history, they are going to have a real rough go of it with a layoff longer than some teams go between end of season to training camp.

It does go to show a HUGE difference in styles of play between the conferences though. The SEC playing the spreads and options etc without a real running game.....and the Big 10 playing more of a pro-set offense. OSU seemed truly confused by that spread offense.....and they appear to not know what man-to-man coverage is. Tressel can be squarely blamed for a lack of game planning....there is simply no excuse for not watching film and understanding how to stop it when half of the US is watching it and wondering why he does nto switch defenses.....or run delays and screens against a Florida front 4 that was just coming with their ears pinned back on every down. It seemed like OSU just did not really care they were even at this game.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » January 10, 2007, 10:28 am

Winnow wrote:Saying that Ohio State didn't show up is the weakest excuse I've seen in a long time...what in the world could be more motivating than a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Winner takes all.

The rumor around our campfire here on campus is that Smith gave up. He wouldn't listen to Tressel or any of the other coaches. He did nothing to make adjustments in the game. He was also overheard saying he was playing to not get injured, which would explain those retarded sacks he kept racking up.

This comes from the assistant of communications (the guys with the headsets) who heard a Tressel and the other coaches saying this.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 10, 2007, 11:10 am

Zamtuk wrote:
Winnow wrote:Saying that Ohio State didn't show up is the weakest excuse I've seen in a long time...what in the world could be more motivating than a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Winner takes all.
The rumor around our campfire here on campus is that Smith gave up. He wouldn't listen to Tressel or any of the other coaches. He did nothing to make adjustments in the game. He was also overheard saying he was playing to not get injured, which would explain those retarded sacks he kept racking up.

This comes from the assistant of communications (the guys with the headsets) who heard a Tressel and the other coaches saying this.

Whether that's actually from a reliable source or not, a friend and I were saying almost the same thing while watching the game. He just looked like he was trying not to get hit as much as possible. The only sack it really looked like he tried to avoid was the one where he slipped on around the OSU three yard line.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 10, 2007, 11:29 am

Sueven wrote:Turns out that sports are played on the field, not in the metaphysical ether. On the field, Ohio State got fucking blasted beyond belief. Troy Smith produced six net offensive yards. SIX. What did it prove? That Florida is the national champion. The Rams may have been 'better' than the Patriots in SB XXXVI, but guess who's got a ring on their finger? You don't play games to 'prove' anything, you play games to WIN them. Florida did that, while Ohio State, Michigan, and much of the rest of the Big Ten did not.

Yeah, when did I say otherwise? Go back and read either of the two posts, I gave Florida credit (including saying they deserve the National Championship), and said that I didn't think that that game proved the SEC was better than the Big 10. You seem to be arguing things that I didn't say, and ignoring things that I did.

Disregarding what the other team did, Florida appeared to play their best game of the season; Ohio State their worst. Do you disagree with that? Florida appears to have gotten better in their hiatus before the bowl game, Ohio State worse, do you disagree with that? Judging the rest of a conference that a team plays in based on that team's performance in a bowl game is unfair, particularly when it appears a different team can (and did) show up after nearly two months off from the regular season. In this case I think it unfairly inflates the SEC and deflates the Big 10.

Sueven wrote:Perhaps a good way to measure the Big Ten is to look at the opportunities their good teams had to get big out-of-conference wins, and see how they did:

Ohio State: Beat Texas (#13), got MURDERED by Florida (#1)
Michigan: Beat Notre Dame (#17), got slammed by USC (#4)
Wisconsin: Beat Arkansas (#15)
Penn State: Beat Tennessee (#25), got hammered by Notre Dame (#17)

So what are the SEC's big out of conference wins? I haven't checked. I know LSU had a big one that was the exact same as Michigan and USC's. I know SEC runner-up Arkansas had a loss that was about the same as Big 10 runner-up Michigan's to USC. Beyond that, the only one I know off the top of my head is Florida over Ohio State. Other than that one game, Arkansas lost to Wisconsin and Tennessee lost to a middling Penn St.

I was trying to say that individual bowl games, including the Arizona BCS Corporation-Chosen National Championship Bowl (for lack of a better name), do little to prove strength of Conferences vs. one another. You can agree with that, and then we're on the same page, or you can disagree with that and then this season only proved that the top team in the SEC is better than the top team in the Big 10, though other bowls showed that the rest of the Big 10 is better than the SEC. (please note: the latter is not what I'm saying is the case)

ALL I WANT IS A PLAYOFF.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 10, 2007, 12:20 pm

And in other news, lest anyone think I no longer hate Ohio State.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 10, 2007, 9:11 pm

If you look closely at the right side of that picture, you can see Jarvis Moss coming in to tackle the "I" before he crosses the 50

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 10, 2007, 9:18 pm

masteen wrote:If you look closely at the right side of that picture, you can see Jarvis Moss coming in to tackle the "I" before he crosses the 50

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 11, 2007, 12:59 am

Sylvus wrote:And in other news, lest anyone think I no longer hate Ohio State.

Maybe if Ohio State had that many players on the field they might of beat Florida.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » January 11, 2007, 1:35 pm

Cart, must you retard up this forum section as well?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 11, 2007, 6:02 pm

Ashur wrote:Cart, must you retard up this forum section as well?

Sorry your team sucks.

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BCS Title Game

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