Arrested for taking a picture?

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » January 2, 2007, 7:32 pm

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html

PHILADELPHIA -- A Philadelphia family said they are outraged over the arrest of one of their family members.

The family of Neftaly Cruz said police had no right to come onto their property and arrest their 21-year-old son simply because he was using his cell phone's camera. They told their story to Harry Hairston and the NBC 10 Investigators.

"I was humiliated. I was embarrassed, you know," Cruz said.

Cruz, 21, told the NBC 10 Investigators that police arrested him last Wednesday for taking a picture of police activity with his cell phone.

Police at the 35th district said they were in Cruz's neighborhood that night arresting a drug dealer.

Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture of the scene.

"I opened (the phone) and took a shot," Cruz said.

Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer came to his back yard gate.

"He opened the gate and took me by my right hand," Cruz said.

Cruz said the officer threw him onto a police car, cuffed him and took him to jail.

A neighbor said she witnessed the incident and could not believe what she saw.

"He opened up the gate and Neffy was coming down and he went up to Neffy, pulled him down, had Neffy on the car and was telling him, 'You should have just went in the house and minded your own business instead of trying to take pictures off your picture phone,'" said Gerrell Martin.

Cruz said police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

"They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an investigation, obstruction of an investigation. … They said, 'You were impeding this investigation.' (I asked,) "By doing what?' (The officer said,) 'By taking a picture of the police officers with a camera phone,'" Cruz said.

Cruz's parents, who got him out of jail, said police told them the same thing.

"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation," said Aracelis Cruz, Neftaly Cruz's mother.

The NBC 10 Investigators asked the ACLU union how they viewed the incident.

"There is no law that prevents people from taking pictures of what anybody can see on the street," said Larry Frankel of the American Civil Liberties Union. "I think it's rather scary that in this country you could actually be taken down to police headquarters for taking a picture on your cell phone of activities that are clearly visible on the street."

Frankel said Cruz's civil rights might have been violated.

"He was unlawfully seized, which is a violation of the 4th amendment the last time we checked," Frankel said.

Cruz, a Penn State University senior, said that after about an hour police told him he was lucky because there was no supervisor on duty, so they released him.

"They said if the supervisor was there I wouldn't be a free man and that he is letting me go because he felt that I was a good person," Cruz said.

Police told Hairston that they did take Cruz into to custody, but they said Cruz was not on his property when they arrested him. Police also denied that they told Cruze he was breaking the law with his cell phone. Cruz's family said they have filed a formal complaint with the police department's Internal Affairs division and are requesting a complete investigation.
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Ok, so since when is it illegal to take a picture of someone being arrested? I had a long conversation about how great it is that cameras on phones are getting good enough that soon there will be pictures of everything that goes on.

This was one of the main reasons it excited me. I mean, the guy that was arrested was a drug dealer and as long as the police were not doing anything wrong with the arrest I dont see how the picture would do anything at all. But, if the police were breaking the law originally, cameras on phones could definately be a great tool to prove it.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 2, 2007, 9:56 pm

Fuck that, I would have taken a picture of that guy getting arrested for taking a picture of that other guy getting arrested who will probably end up not guilty anyways.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 2, 2007, 10:27 pm

Because everyone walking around with cameras in their hip pocket is most cop's worst nightmare.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 2, 2007, 11:12 pm

If they actually passed a law that prohibits taking a picture then the excrement will hit the oscillating device in Philly. If I had to place a bet, I am guessng this guy as out in the street and getting right up in the scene and was removed for obstruction. It is all going to go down as he said/she said unless someone has it on video though.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » January 3, 2007, 1:23 am

It all depends on how close the kid was to the scene. If he was right in the action then he deserves to get arrested. If he was hanging back theres no problem. That whole supervisor thing sounds really fishy. I think the cop realized later on that he fucked up and just made up something.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » January 3, 2007, 3:12 am

I'm stunned that a Police force with such a long standing commitment to civil rights and due process would be found in such a dilemma; and a bit suprised he wasn't just gunned down out of hand.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » January 3, 2007, 1:08 pm

Everyone having a cell phone is a cop's worst nightmare. Suddenly it doesn't come down to their word against a civilians. In court, you can almost guarantee that a judge will always take a cop's word over a civilians and that is just wrong. With video evidence then maybe we can start cleaning up all of the corruption that exists out there.

Anyone that thinks that cops don't lie is living in LaaLaa land. Ask any cop and they will tell you that they are trained from day one to lie to get a conviction. I was lied to and threatened over a fake ID when I was 18. At the time I didn't know that I couldn't be threatened with arrest without proof. You best bet is to always keep your mouth shut. Most of their threats are just hot air.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 3, 2007, 1:15 pm

So you were breaking a law and had a fake ID, yet you are so pissed that a cop threatened to arrest you? Yea that is fucking terrible. You should have sued them.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 3, 2007, 1:31 pm

way to miss the point.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 3, 2007, 2:52 pm

Are you just a complete troll or do you have a point in life?

how much more of a point needs to be made? How about some caps: YOU DO NOT FEAR THE POLICE WHEN YOU DON"T BREAK THE LAW. Stupid cunt.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 3, 2007, 3:06 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:how much more of a point needs to be made? How about some caps: YOU DO SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FEAR THE POLICE WHEN YOU DON"T BREAK THE LAW.

I fixed it for you, now I agree with that statement. Unfortunately, reality doesn't, and many people (including myself) still find it prudent to have some fear of the police when we're doing nothing wrong. I find it somewhat naive to be completely trusting of the police, when there are numerous examples in the public record of why you shouldn't, but perhaps I'm just cynical.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » January 3, 2007, 3:37 pm

One possible reason is that he may have gotten some shots of their undercover cops or future undercovers. They don't want their men being discovered or put up on a drug lords version of a post office wall. I can see that. How they did it though only got them in a heap of shit. So I can see both sides of it. Who's to say that the kid wasn't mouthing off at the cops if they just asked him to stop taking pictures?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 3, 2007, 3:54 pm

When was the last time you were comletely innocent and were arrested and prosecuted? Anyone? I am not talking about your brother's girlfriend's cousin's ex-wife who was railroaded when that doob was left in the car by her former boyfriend's cousin.

The prisons are full of people that are innocent.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » January 3, 2007, 4:38 pm

Well not "completely" innocent but in my defense the other guy started it. So one night in jail for drunk and disorderly even though I wasn't drunk. Oh well.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 3, 2007, 6:14 pm

http://www.theagitator.com/archives/cat ... liards.php

Kilmoll, this situation should provide you with a few examples. I'd scroll to the bottom and read your way up (in chronological order).

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 3, 2007, 9:49 pm

A friend of mine had the SWAT team bust into his house and arrest him for being a coke dealer. He doesn't even DO coke, much less sell it. At his arraignment it came out that he was named by a former friend who is now a full-time cokehead and dealer.

Interestingly enough, that guy's arrest report says that he was busted AT my friend's house, despite the fact that he hasn't been there in years. Looks like the cops falsified the arrest report to expedite the warrant.

BUT COPS NEVER LIE OR DO ANYTHING IMMORAL TO GET THEIR WAY.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 3, 2007, 10:51 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Are you just a complete troll or do you have a point in life?

you mean besides making you look like an ignorant redneck douchebag? why yes. this is just one of my sundry hobbies.

but you keep living that comicbook life where police officers are all absolute paragons of justice that never do any wrong; and none of them at all are arrogant power tripping jackasses with small dicks that hide behind their badge so they can assert authority on others.

come to think of it I'm starting to figure out why you're defending them.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » January 4, 2007, 2:04 am

They should have just tasered him a couple of dozen times.

Isn't that the standard treatment anymore?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 4, 2007, 10:10 am

Sueven wrote:http://www.theagitator.com/archives/cat ... liards.php

Kilmoll, this situation should provide you with a few examples. I'd scroll to the bottom and read your way up (in chronological order).

And this happened to you personally or are you believing everything you see on the internet?

At his arraignment it came out that he was named by a former friend who is now a full-time cokehead and dealer

How is some idiot giving false information an indictment against the police? You get a tip and act on it. Again, who here has been arrested and prosecuted for something they were COMPLETELY innocent of? I already said once no second hand bullshit.....I know I have never been hassled by the police unless I was up to something shady.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 4, 2007, 11:08 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: How is some idiot giving false information an indictment against the police?

When they falsify the report bubble boy

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I know I have never been hassled by the police unless I was up to something shady.

Good for you being the exception, that one time you left your house

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » January 4, 2007, 11:15 am

Back in February a county sheriff gave me a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign. I'm pretty meticulous about stopping, especially with the small-dick, stick up their asses county and "city" cops we have here.

Anyway, I was coming home down a back road and pulled up to the stop sign. Stopped. Looked right and left. Noted the deputy sitting there. Waited then pulled away. He pulls out after me and flips his lights on a half-mile later. Gives me a ticket for running a stop sign.

Now with no one around, what the hell am I supposed to do? It is the cop's word against mine. I did a full and complete stop (2 seconds sitting still) and he still gave me a ticket. I very politely disagreed with the officer and stated that I felt that I had come to a complete stop (I also drive a stick and the stop is an uphill incline).

He didn't give a shit and gave me the ticket anyway.

Now, I'm not outraged over this. I've missed a stop sign or two in my day, simply by not paying attention. While I still feel that I made a full and complete stop, I chalk this up as a ticket I should have gotten for a previous (unintentional) failure to stop.

But you better believe I exaggerate a full and complete fucking stop at any stop sign near where I live.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » January 4, 2007, 11:21 am

Tsk tsk Kilmoll...

What exactly are you trying to assert based on a straw poll of a handful of fairly homogenous people?

Using your apparent logic (you really have a bad habit of just implying something without actually asserting it) we shouldn't be concerned about genocide because we haven't been slaughtered in an act of genocide, nor should we be wary of burning our hands on a hot stove if we haven't been burned by one.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 4, 2007, 11:51 am

I could ask you the same. Using your logic, every police officer is a corrupt evil person who is there to make your life a living hell and try to falsely imprison you. Yea I am sure there are bad people who end up with a badge, but you people just absolutely take the cake with your crying and whining. 99.5% of the time when someone gets "hassled" it is because they are doing something they shouldn;t be....and then like one retard above they bitch about being hassled when they get caught.

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » January 4, 2007, 12:26 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I could ask you the same. Using your logic, every police officer is a corrupt evil person who is there to make your life a living hell and try to falsely imprison you. Yea I am sure there are bad people who end up with a badge, but you people just absolutely take the cake with your crying and whining. 99.5% of the time when someone gets "hassled" it is because they are doing something they shouldn;t be....and then like one retard above they bitch about being hassled when they get caught.

If you are referring to my post, you need to work on your reading comprehension. If you aren't referring to me, carry on.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 4, 2007, 12:59 pm

carrying on

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » January 4, 2007, 1:44 pm

Vaemas wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I could ask you the same. Using your logic, every police officer is a corrupt evil person who is there to make your life a living hell and try to falsely imprison you. Yea I am sure there are bad people who end up with a badge, but you people just absolutely take the cake with your crying and whining. 99.5% of the time when someone gets "hassled" it is because they are doing something they shouldn;t be....and then like one retard above they bitch about being hassled when they get caught.
If you are referring to my post, you need to work on your reading comprehension. If you aren't referring to me, carry on.

Ditto + Fundamentals of Logic

Are you not aware of the Philly PD's track record? I was being facetious and sarcastic intentionally and clearly in my statements. You are implying that some logical conclusion can be drawn from your question. I'm just pointing out that they can't be statistically and providing analogous constructs to show that your assumed hypothesis is fallacy.

And for the record I have been harassed and detained by police on two occasions once at gunpoint (I was not arrested, fined etc) and in both cases I had done nothing remotely questionable let alone illegal. One of the cases was a cop just bullying what he perceived to be an easy target.

The other was a warrant misaddressed and the officer decided I was vagrant since I had no ID on me...because I answered the door in my boxers since I was sound asleep when I answered the door to face several drawn revolvers and walked out nicely as ordered.

And yanno if the potential for corruption isn't particularly high in police work...why do almost all forces have internal affairs divisions?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 4, 2007, 2:03 pm

Well you look dangerous.

And they have IA for the same reason every company on the planet has its own corporate security people.....checks and balances.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 4, 2007, 2:57 pm

Trek wrote:
Kilm wrote:How is some idiot giving false information an indictment against the police?
When they falsify the report bubble boy

The problem is not solely in falsifying the report, it's also in the fact that the police broke into someones house with a fucking swat team on nothing more than the word of some cokehead who was probably trying to suck up to the police after he'd been arrested legitimately. If you have a regular policy of asking drugged up losers to drop names in exchange for lenient treatment, do you think the information you get is going to be reliable enough to justify dropping a swat team into someone elses house based on nothing but the tip? Masteen's friend did not experience an isolated occurence.

Kilm wrote:And this happened to you personally or are you believing everything you see on the internet?

Shrug, look at the guys work and judge his credibility for yourself. I mean, the man has been employed by national research organizations researching, among other things, police misconduct. It's not my job to post the damn qualifications of every person I might link to.

Kilm wrote:I could ask you the same. Using your logic, every police officer is a corrupt evil person who is there to make your life a living hell and try to falsely imprison you.

Well that's not true (unless you're taking Arb's initial, clearly sarcastic post seriously). I can only speak for myself, but I imagine that I speak for most of the anti-Kilmoll faction on this thread when I say that my position is "while most cops are decent, some cops are dirty, and thus it is appropriate for some restraints to be imposed upon police action." Your position is that no cops are dirty (deduced from your statement that "you do not have to fear the police when you don't break the law").

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 4, 2007, 3:38 pm

And on Masteen's note, they do not act on a search warran twith the SWAT team without a Judge authorizing said warrant.....which generally means they need a little more info than some cokehead dropping a name.....which goes back to there may well be something more to this story than what the public is being made aware of....which was the initial point to this WHOLE THREAD until it was derailed by me pointing out Deward was a retard and Kyoukan hopping on to troll me.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » January 4, 2007, 4:28 pm

Because its so hard to get a warrant...

Deward · Post by **Deward** » January 4, 2007, 4:37 pm

You are a stupid fuck Kilmoll. Maybe some day you will leave your mom's basement and realize that the sky is blue and not neon green like you were told by one of your fictional friends. Sesame Street is not real world man. It is people like you that have allowed this country to become a fascist society. People should not be afraid of their government but they are regardless of whether they have a guilty conscience or not. I could guarantee that if a cop wanted to stick you in jail that it wouldn't matter if you were sucking off jesus and the dali lama. They would find something.

One point I probably should have mentioned is that these small town cops had been harassing my family for months. It is not the governments job to try and throw every single petty criminal behind bars. What did my having a fake ID do to hurt them or anyone else? Was I buying liquor for underage kids? No. Was I driving drunk? No. The punishment should not be greater than the crime.

This country has more people in jail per capita than any country in the world. Last year alone we threw over 700k people in jail for simple marijuana use.

So once again Kilmoll fuck off until you find the real world.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 4, 2007, 4:52 pm

Dumbfuck:

The police FALSIFIED the boogerhead's arrest report to get the judge to issue the warrant. The judge signed the warrant because the cops LIED.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 4, 2007, 5:29 pm

"So once again Kilmoll fuck off until you find the real world."

Its on MTV Wed. Night @ 10pm

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 4, 2007, 5:33 pm

Deward wrote: What did my having a fake ID do to hurt them or anyone else?

It is illegal. You got hassled for having something that is illegal. You brought that hassle onto yourself. To call the police out for hassling someone who is breaking the law is inane.

And masteen...did you see the report firsthand or are you taking his word for it like the judge took the police's word for it?

The odds of finding corrupt police are much, much less than finding honest ones. I have no doubt there are assholes on the departments, but having gone through the process of getting onto police departments myself, I can tell you that the battery of psych tests and lie detectors etc weeds out a HUGE majority of the people that should never have a badge. I ended up doing some things that screwed my chances up when I was really trying to get into that line of work. I can't blame them or anyone but myself for it. Of course personal accountability is a moot issue these days.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 4, 2007, 5:44 pm

I'm taking his lawyer's word for it. He also has statements from 2 eye witnesses who saw the arrest when it happened downtown.

archeiron · Post by **archeiron** » January 4, 2007, 6:37 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The odds of finding corrupt police are much, much less than finding honest ones. I have no doubt there are assholes on the departments, but having gone through the process of getting onto police departments myself, I can tell you that the battery of psych tests and lie detectors etc weeds out a HUGE majority of the people that should never have a badge. I ended up doing some things that screwed my chances up when I was really trying to get into that line of work. I can't blame them or anyone but myself for it. Of course personal accountability is a moot issue these days.

You take pride in your profession and are stating the the overwhelming majority of police officers are good, honest law enforcers. I don't think that anyone was trying to suggest otherwise. You asserted earlier in the thread that "YOU DO NOT FEAR THE POLICE WHEN YOU DON"T BREAK THE LAW." and people have taken issue with that blanket statement.

Are you willing to concede that there are corrupt police officers that may cause the public some trepedition that they will be mistreated as a criminal when entirely innocent?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 4, 2007, 7:53 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I could ask you the same. Using your logic, every police officer is a corrupt evil person who is there to make your life a living hell and try to falsely imprison you. Yea I am sure there are bad people who end up with a badge, but you people just absolutely take the cake with your crying and whining. 99.5% of the time when someone gets "hassled" it is because they are doing something they shouldn;t be....and then like one retard above they bitch about being hassled when they get caught.

And yet every episode of COPS I've seen is full to the brim with officers tricking your average ignorant american into waiving their rights. Yes, some of them have pot or worse in their cars, but I've never seen one show yet where it was in plain sight or there was any probable cause for the search, the police just brow beat them until they give them permission to seach.

Similarly, why does anyone believe "You're not under arrest yet, but I'm just going to go ahead and put these handcuffs on you"?! Holy fucking shit I can't believe how many times I've seen that on that show.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 4, 2007, 7:57 pm

Kilm wrote:which generally means they need a little more info than some cokehead dropping a name

This is completely factually incorrect. Seriously, do some research. It's beyond simple for police to get a warrant based on a single anonymous tip.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko ... r_2006.pdf

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 5, 2007, 2:54 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I could ask you the same. Using your logic, every police officer is a corrupt evil person who is there to make your life a living hell and try to falsely imprison you. Yea I am sure there are bad people who end up with a badge, but you people just absolutely take the cake with your crying and whining. 99.5% of the time when someone gets "hassled" it is because they are doing something they shouldn;t be....and then like one retard above they bitch about being hassled when they get caught.
And yet every episode of COPS I've seen is full to the brim with officers tricking your average ignorant american into waiving their rights. Yes, some of them have pot or worse in their cars, but I've never seen one show yet where it was in plain sight or there was any probable cause for the search, the police just brow beat them until they give them permission to seach.

Similarly, why does anyone believe "You're not under arrest yet, but I'm just going to go ahead and put these handcuffs on you"?! Holy fucking shit I can't believe how many times I've seen that on that show.

This is kind of off the real subject, but I will try to explain this without being an ass. When they run a license plate during a stop, it shows prior offenses. If they see prior offenses, they are going to be looking for anything and I mean anything that might even give a hint that the person in question is breaking the law. Now some of the things you see on TV do not give you the perspective of what the officers there can see, hear, smell, etc. You can't notice from there that the guy has pupils that are dilated or are glassy....nor can you smell the pot or alchohol. Until I really stopped drinking I never really noticed the distinct smell that people have when they have been drinking. It is pretty noticeable....as is pot. COPS is probably a really bad example to use to make your point.

Now lets say a person has been smoking pot and they pull them over and nothing in the car is sitting right out in the open....that pretty much gives them in most cases just cause to search. They almost always will ask for permission to make any kind of illegal search crap moot in court. If the person would not consent and there was even a question, then they could always take the time to keep them there until a search warrant could be obtained....but again in most cases it would not be necessary. it is just much easier on them if they can cajole the person into giving consent whether they really need their consent or not. A formality, if you will, that can make things so much easier on them in court.

It is also pretty standard practice to cuff people or otherwise detain them in the cruiser without arresting them...mostly for the safety concerns of the officers. there are some pretty violent folks here that think it is cool to injure the police.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 5, 2007, 3:04 pm

archeiron wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The odds of finding corrupt police are much, much less than finding honest ones. I have no doubt there are assholes on the departments, but having gone through the process of getting onto police departments myself, I can tell you that the battery of psych tests and lie detectors etc weeds out a HUGE majority of the people that should never have a badge. I ended up doing some things that screwed my chances up when I was really trying to get into that line of work. I can't blame them or anyone but myself for it. Of course personal accountability is a moot issue these days.
You take pride in your profession and are stating the the overwhelming majority of police officers are good, honest law enforcers. I don't think that anyone was trying to suggest otherwise. You asserted earlier in the thread that "YOU DO NOT FEAR THE POLICE WHEN YOU DON"T BREAK THE LAW." and people have taken issue with that blanket statement.

Are you willing to concede that there are corrupt police officers that may cause the public some trepedition that they will be mistreated as a criminal when entirely innocent?

I do still very strongly assert that you should not fear the police if you are not breaking the law. Of course there are bad cops....but they are a huge minority. If anything, you should fear common citizens much more than you should fear the police. In general, the worst thing that can happen if you are hassled by the police when you really have done nothing wrong is that you are inconvenienced for a period of time...which does tend to piss people off. If you are hassled by some thug, there is a much greater chance that you could end up injured or killed.

I know for a fact that at some point I will end up hassled by the police for having a concealed carry license here. Because of stupid laws we are currently forced in Ohio to "conceal in plain sight" handguns while in a vehicle. What that means is a lot of people have had the police called on them while they are in their car as a "man with a gun" call. The police end up having to pull law abiding people over that have done nothing wrong, at gunpoint in many cases, because dumbass citizens call them with 911 calls. Should we all be pissed because we got hassled by them? As long as I am not doing anything illegal, I know I am going to be inconvenienced at some point and then be on my way. If I am doing something illegal, then I should expect to fear that it is going to be much more than that.

I am still waiting to see more on the story from the initial post to see what the real story is.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 5, 2007, 3:12 pm

wheeee...double post for the bonus VVs!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 5, 2007, 3:13 pm

The only thing more annoying than a loud mouthed arrogant cop is a loud mouthed arrogant try-hard cop.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 5, 2007, 4:24 pm

thanks for your input, but how does that relate to anything in this topic?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 6, 2007, 1:17 am

it relates to you anally penetrating yourself with a police baton while jerking it over a dog-eared issue of guns and ammo before crying yourself to sleep at night because you were too useless to even get a job as a law enforcement officer in fucking Ohio. did you have any more stupid questions for me, you fucking closet homo?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 6, 2007, 2:33 am

kyoukan wrote:it relates to you anally penetrating yourself with a police baton while jerking it over a dog-eared issue of guns and ammo before crying yourself to sleep at night becauase you were too useless to even get a job as a law enforcement officer in fucking Ohio. did you have any more stupid questions for me, you fucking closet homo?

Jealous?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 6, 2007, 3:37 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: Now lets say a person has been smoking pot and they pull them over and nothing in the car is sitting right out in the open....that pretty much gives them in most cases just cause to search. They almost always will ask for permission to make any kind of illegal search crap moot in court. If the person would not consent and there was even a question, then they could always take the time to keep them there until a search warrant could be obtained....but again in most cases it would not be necessary. it is just much easier on them if they can cajole the person into giving consent whether they really need their consent or not. A formality, if you will, that can make things so much easier on them in court.

It is also pretty standard practice to cuff people or otherwise detain them in the cruiser without arresting them...mostly for the safety concerns of the officers. there are some pretty violent folks here that think it is cool to injure the police.

What an unbelieveable load of horseshit. That is all.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 6, 2007, 10:05 am

archeiron wrote: Are you willing to concede that there are corrupt police officers that may cause the public some trepedition that they will be mistreated as a criminal when entirely innocent?

Why would I sit around fearing the exception to the rule? Isn't it folks like you who didn't want the Patriot Act to be renewed because it imposing upon the majority in order to catch the few terrorists. So then wouldn't you in turn be able to decipher between the majority and a few people on this issue?

I obey the law and never once have feared the police. I respect and admire them for their service to their communities.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 6, 2007, 9:11 pm

kyoukan wrote:it relates to you anally penetrating yourself with a police baton while jerking it over a dog-eared issue of guns and ammo before crying yourself to sleep at night because you were too useless to even get a job as a law enforcement officer in fucking Ohio. did you have any more stupid questions for me, you fucking closet homo?

and you still have had zero input into anything relating to this topic. thanks again for being a useless angry cunt.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » January 6, 2007, 9:12 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: Now lets say a person has been smoking pot and they pull them over and nothing in the car is sitting right out in the open....that pretty much gives them in most cases just cause to search. They almost always will ask for permission to make any kind of illegal search crap moot in court. If the person would not consent and there was even a question, then they could always take the time to keep them there until a search warrant could be obtained....but again in most cases it would not be necessary. it is just much easier on them if they can cajole the person into giving consent whether they really need their consent or not. A formality, if you will, that can make things so much easier on them in court.

It is also pretty standard practice to cuff people or otherwise detain them in the cruiser without arresting them...mostly for the safety concerns of the officers. there are some pretty violent folks here that think it is cool to injure the police.
What an unbelieveable load of horseshit. That is all.

I am glad you are too stupid to understand how things work in the US. Luckily for you, you never ever have to come here.....unless some how our city police departments in some way effect the state of the world.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 6, 2007, 10:03 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: Now lets say a person has been smoking pot and they pull them over and nothing in the car is sitting right out in the open....that pretty much gives them in most cases just cause to search. They almost always will ask for permission to make any kind of illegal search crap moot in court. If the person would not consent and there was even a question, then they could always take the time to keep them there until a search warrant could be obtained....but again in most cases it would not be necessary. it is just much easier on them if they can cajole the person into giving consent whether they really need their consent or not. A formality, if you will, that can make things so much easier on them in court.

It is also pretty standard practice to cuff people or otherwise detain them in the cruiser without arresting them...mostly for the safety concerns of the officers. there are some pretty violent folks here that think it is cool to injure the police.
What an unbelieveable load of horseshit. That is all.
I am glad you are too stupid to understand how things work in the US. Luckily for you, you never ever have to come here.....unless some how our city police departments in some way effect the state of the world.

No, I have been there. And apparently I, and the ACLU, understand your rights and the way the law works better than you do. Dumbass.