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Well here is more proof that the current adminstration is completely out of touch with reality... I just love to see how morally superior some people think they are compared to everyone else, what a freakin' joke...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... htm?csp=34
Abstinence message goes beyond teens
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By Sharon Jayson, USA TODAY
The federal government's "no sex without marriage" message isn't just for kids anymore.
Now the government is targeting unmarried adults up to age 29 as part of its abstinence-only programs, which include millions of dollars in federal money that will be available to the states under revised federal grant guidelines for 2007.

The government says the change is a clarification. But critics say it's a clear signal of a more directed policy targeting the sexual behavior of adults.

"They've stepped over the line of common sense," said James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth, a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit that supports sex education. "To be preaching abstinence when 90% of people are having sex is in essence to lose touch with reality. It's an ideological campaign. It has nothing to do with public health."

Abstinence education programs, which have focused on preteens and teens, teach that abstaining from sex is the only effective or acceptable method to prevent pregnancy or disease. They give no instruction on birth control or safe sex.

The National Center for Health Statistics says well over 90% of adults ages 20-29 have had sexual intercourse.

But Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the Department of Health and Human Services, said the revision is aimed at 19- to 29-year-olds because more unmarried women in that age group are having children.

Government data released last month show that 998,262 births in 2004 were to unmarried women 19-29, the ages with the most births to unmarried women.

"The message is 'It's better to wait until you're married to bear or father children,' " Horn said. "The only 100% effective way of getting there is abstinence."

The revised guidelines specify that states seeking grants are "to identify groups ... most likely to bear children out-of-wedlock, targeting adolescents and/or adults within the 12- through 29-year-old age range." Previous guidelines didn't mention targeting of an age group.

"We wanted to remind states they could use these funds not only to target adolescents," Horn said. "It's a reminder."

Last year, 46 states applied for the federal abstinence-education money, to fund programs in schools, neighborhood clubs and faith-based organizations.

Sarah Brown, director of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, says abstinence programs are among many messages that have helped reduce teen pregnancy rates. But "the notion that the federal government is supporting millions of dollars worth of messages to people who are grown adults about how to conduct their sex life is a very divisive policy," she says.

"We would oppose any program that stigmatizes unmarried people," adds Nicky Grist, executive director of the Alternatives to Marriage Project, a non-profit organization based in Brooklyn, N.Y., that advocates for the rights of unmarried people.

For last year's state grants, Congress appropriated $50 million. A similar amount is expected for 2007, but the money has not yet been allocated, according to the Administration for Children and Families.

"I think the program should talk about the problem with out-of- wedlock childbearing — not about your sex life," Brown says. "If you use contraception effectively and consistently, you will not be in the pool of out-of-wedlock births."
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Government data released last month show that 998,262 births in 2004 were to unmarried women 19-29, the ages with the most births to unmarried women.

"The message is 'It's better to wait until you're married to bear or father children,' " Horn said. "The only 100% effective way of getting there is abstinence."
Because omigod 25 year old women cannot choose to have a child out of wedlock!
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It's interesting that you posted this. I was just listening to the radio in my car this morning, and there was a guy being interviewed who was saying that teenage pregnancy and abortions are way down in the last 2 years, and awareness and use of contraception among teenagers is up a lot. the number of teens who claim to be sexually active is about the same.

so while the government throws money away on faith based abstinence only programs, privately funded organizations like planned parenthood and AFY continue to make progress by continuing to bring safe sex and contraceptives into youth culture.
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Maybe the government will start a "Just Say Latex!" programme!



edit: I blame Nick for the extra "m & e" there lol...
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:shock: He's onto me :lol:

I think it's pretty sad that these people spend so much money on abstinance programs, which just don't work and are innately anti-human nature which is just retarded for that reason alone.

I am one of those dirty stinking liberal members of the condom brigade so wtf do I know
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What a lame use of federal grant money.

Money should go toward researching a reversible sterilization procedure. All kids get it at birth (or whenever the first round of shots are normally given), and then after age 18, anyone may reverse the process for free at any time, or I suppose, at an earlier age if two hicks get married and want a baby. The process wouldn't be in place to prevent those that desire a child, merely to make getting pregnant require one extra step. This alone would prevent 99% of unwanted pregnancies. You couldn't stop them all but this would cut way down on unwanted pregnancies.

The problem isn't the sex itself. Sexual instincts are a natural part of human behavior. Let any adults have sex but instead relying on people to use protection (besides for STDs), make the decision to bear children require the extra step but with 100% access. The single extra step required for pregnancy would result in a huge reduction in unwanted pregnancies.

Maybe China will kick start this program! If the world population keeps increasing at the same pace it has been, we'll see something like this within our lifetimes.
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That's an interesting idea Winnow.
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China's efforts to restrict their population has utterly backfired and they are now desperately trying to reverse what they've done.

Some people are just going to reproduce at an early age. Why stop nature?
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Being married I think its a good idea to ban sex for unmarried people.....unless of course they find a married person to help them out!
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kyoukan wrote:China's efforts to restrict their population has utterly backfired and they are now desperately trying to reverse what they've done.
Er, I may have missed something- how has it utterly backfired?
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Trek wrote:Being married I think its a good idea to ban sex for unmarried people.....unless of course they find a married person to help them out!
Are you trolling for swingers? :lol:
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Anal and oral should be taught in all sex ed classrooms.

I dated my first girlfriend for over a year, and I think we had vaginal sex a handful of times. The only real downfall was that she was my first sexual experiance, and I thought that's how everyone did it. Boy was I completely fucking wrong. A girl like that is probably about 1 in 20, easily. Needless to say, I was quite dissappointed when I got onto the real dating scene. and half the woman don't give head, and the other half don't do anal. I've dated women that don't do neither! There's even an unusual margin of woman that don't want thier pussy eaten. (I've cured many of these poor souls delusions myself. It comes down to a lot of women still think of themsleves as "dirty" down there or are just really self concious about thier own crotch. EDIT: and bad experiances from men that didn't know what they were doing!) My first gilrfriend definately spoiled me and fucked up my sexual blueprint a bit, haha. I ran into her at a wedding about 5 or 6 years ago, and she said the same thing about me, so I consider that some weird sort of compliment. She said 99% of men don't give rim jobs! She had the perfect little ass too... C'mon guys, eat the ass you fucking losers!

Yes, this is all way too much info, but I kinda got on a roll and it's semi on topic. Teach kids about alternatives to actual vaginal sex. Talk to kids about masturbation too. We actually had a former Surgeon General lose her job over suggesting that.

We need more sexual education all right, but work a class in there about how to experiment and enjoy new things once in awhile! Half the problems with relationships can be traced back to sex.
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VariaVespasa wrote:
kyoukan wrote:China's efforts to restrict their population has utterly backfired and they are now desperately trying to reverse what they've done.
Er, I may have missed something- how has it utterly backfired?
China is facing a situation similar to the west, only multiplied. A huge chunk of it's population is due to retire over the next 5-10 years and they vastly outnumber the amount of young people there are to replace and/or support them. Also, males are valued a lot more than females in chinese culture, so because of the single child laws, the majority of couples kept aborting female fetuses until they had a son. The disparity between men and women in China for the last two generations is huge. There are not enough women to go around, and a huge majority of eligible single men will never get married or reproduce because they will quite literally find it impossible to find and marry a chinese wife. The social ramifications of this has not been completely demonstrated yet, but most people agree that it is not going to be a good thing. An entire two generations of horny chinese men that can't find a mate is just going to be problematic.
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kyoukan wrote:An entire two generations of horny chinese men that can't find a mate is just going to be problematic.
Those men need to study Fairweather's anal, oral and rimming techniques.

China wasn't trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They were preventing wanted pregnancies as well.

I agree that the aging population will be huge problem in China as it's already a big deal in the United States. I watched a very well done show the other day, on PBS possibly, about America's elderly. The longer lifespans, medicines and medical techniques that can keep humans alive longer while they are in poor heath, and lack of trained geriatrics personnel makes for a critical situation.

My grandmother was in poor health for more than a year. It took a toll on her children but while her mind was active, her body was giving out. A few years ago, she had hip surgery (one of many medical issues) that ran into complications. She could have opted to go back in for more surgery but instead refused it and said it was her time to go, which allowed for all seven of her children to make it to the hospital and be present as she passed away. She was even able to say a few words beforehand. I don't see the tough choices at that stage of life getting any easier. In my grandmother's case, she had all seven children still alive, willing and able to take care of her. I doubt most elderly have that luxury. She made her own choice not to continue on, possibly in a physical state so bad that she wouldn't be capable of the mental acuity required to read books and be aware of her surroundings.

I didn't see any elderly with computers in their nursing homes during the lengthy show. The next wave of elderly I believe will stay a little more mentally active due in large part to knowledge of the internet. Even if their mind is going, they can still find the geratric equivalent of VV and make nonsensical posts that everyone will go ape shit over and respond to, thus firing up the neurons. Perhaps elderly will find a way to feel useful to society for a longer period of time, not out of need but for mental health, due to more data entry related work as well.

It's still possible some "bird flu" type epidemic will wipe out a large chunk of the population at some point, be it artificially introduced or natural.
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kyoukan wrote:
VariaVespasa wrote:
kyoukan wrote:China's efforts to restrict their population has utterly backfired and they are now desperately trying to reverse what they've done.
Er, I may have missed something- how has it utterly backfired?
China is facing a situation similar to the west, only multiplied. A huge chunk of it's population is due to retire over the next 5-10 years and they vastly outnumber the amount of young people there are to replace and/or support them. Also, males are valued a lot more than females in chinese culture, so because of the single child laws, the majority of couples kept aborting female fetuses until they had a son. The disparity between men and women in China for the last two generations is huge. There are not enough women to go around, and a huge majority of eligible single men will never get married or reproduce because they will quite literally find it impossible to find and marry a chinese wife. The social ramifications of this has not been completely demonstrated yet, but most people agree that it is not going to be a good thing. An entire two generations of horny chinese men that can't find a mate is just going to be problematic.
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Russian Girl = $8,000
Chinese Girl = $3,000

American male? = $25,000

They got my little brother first, the Russian 2nd, and the Chinese girl last. If they had to do it all over, they'd all be Chinese children. Needless to say, they learned along the way how much of a business the adoption process is. Note that they wouldn't get all Chinese children because they were cheaper (neccessarily), it's because they seemed to have needed it the most. Kyo is dead right. The Chinese simply do not want girls at all. The process was also a lot smoother than any of the others as well.
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I think that all of the Chinese children I know of that have been adopted by American families have been girls except for a boy. The boy is deaf which I would assume would be another reason (other than the sex) for him being adopted out to this family.
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I thought they had sorta planned around the retirement/worker ratio thing in China, and it was the boy/girl imbalance thing that was unplanned for and gonna bite them in the ass?
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Everyone's getting into the female killing act.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/ind ... &printer=1
India has killed 10 mln girls in 20 years - Renuka Chowdhury

By Palash KumarThu Dec 14, 1:57 PM ET

Ten million girls have been killed by their parents in India in the past 20 years, either before they were born or immediately after, a government minister said on Thursday, describing it as a "national crisis".

A UNICEF report released this week said 7,000 fewer girls are born in the country every day than the global average would suggest, largely because female foetuses are aborted after sex determination tests but also through murder of new borns.

"It's shocking figures and we are in a national crisis if you ask me," Minister for Women and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury told Reuters.

Girls are seen as liabilities by many Indians, especially because of the banned but rampant practice of dowry, where the bride's parents pay cash and goods to the groom's family.

Men are also seen as bread-winners while social prejudices deny women opportunities for education and jobs.

"Today, we have the odd distinction of having lost 10 million girl children in the past 20 years," Chowdhury told a seminar in Delhi University.

"Who has killed these girl children? Their own parents."

In some states, the minister said, newborn girls have been killed by pouring sand or tobacco juice into their nostrils.

"The minute the child is born and she opens her mouth to cry, they put sand into her mouth and her nostrils so she chokes and dies," Chowdhury said, referring to cases in the western desert state of Rajasthan.

"They bury infants into pots alive and bury the pots. They put tobacco into her mouth. They hang them upside down like a bunch of flowers to dry," she said.

"We have more passion for tigers of this country. We have people fighting for stray dogs on the road. But you have a whole society that ruthlessly hunts down girl children."

According to the 2001 census, the national sex ratio was 933 girls to 1,000 boys, while in the worst-affected northern state of Punjab, it was 798 girls to 1,000 boys.

The ratio has fallen since 1991, due to the availability of ultrasound sex-determination tests.

Although these are illegal they are still widely available and often lead to abortion of girl foetuses.

Chowdhury said the fall in the number of females had cost one percent of India's GDP and created shortages of girls in some states like Haryana, where in one case four brothers had to marry one woman.

Economic empowerment of women was key to change, she said.

"Even today when you go to a temple, you are blessed with 'May you have many sons'," she said.

"The minute you empower them to earn more or equal (to men), social prejudices vanish."

The practice of killing the girl child is more prevalent among the educated, including in upmarket districts of New Delhi, making it more challenging for the government, the minister said.

"How do we tell educated people that you must not do it? And these are people who would visit all the female deities and pray for strength but don't hesitate to kill a girl child," she said.
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I think they should try a new way of thinking.
For females, only have sex with your own gender till you are marries.
For males, only have sex with your own gender, or qualified prostitutes that know how to handle safe sex.

That would solve most of the unwanted pregnancy problem. Doubt Bush will go for it though :)
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Hesten wrote:I think they should try a new way of thinking.
For females, only have sex with your own gender till you are marries.
For males, only have sex with your own gender, or qualified prostitutes that know how to handle safe sex.

That would solve most of the unwanted pregnancy problem. Doubt Bush will go for it though :)

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Lalanae wrote: JUST FEED EVARYONE SOYBEENS!!1!
that LOL'd me

I'm abstinent, no one cares, yay me :razz:
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Winnow wrote:I agree that the aging population will be huge problem in China as it's already a big deal in the United States. I watched a very well done show the other day, on PBS possibly, about America's elderly. The longer lifespans, medicines and medical techniques that can keep humans alive longer while they are in poor heath, and lack of trained geriatrics personnel makes for a critical situation.
that would be frontline

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Xyun wrote: that would be frontline

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/
You are correct! I recognize all the old people in the pics. Good show. Not a fun one to watch but informative and eye opening.
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redeemed wrote:
Lalanae wrote: JUST FEED EVARYONE SOYBEENS!!1!
that LOL'd me

I'm abstinent, no one cares, yay me :razz:
It only counts if its voluntary :P
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vn_Tanc wrote:
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Lalanae wrote: JUST FEED EVARYONE SOYBEENS!!1!
that LOL'd me

I'm abstinent, no one cares, yay me :razz:
It only counts if its voluntary :P
If it's voluntary, that's not abstinent, it's obstinate!
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This thread sort of ended up being about old people so here's some promising news for FPSers. You don't have to change anything to stay sharp as you get older:

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/163960
Video games keep you young: Study

Forget cards and gentle aerobics - the best way to keep the elderly sharp is to teach them to play video games, new research suggests.

Psychology research at Hamilton’s McMaster University shows gamers who spend more than four hours a week playing action video games such as Medal of Honour and Half Life 2 have a surprising array of skills ranging from quick reaction times and good spatial reasoning to a strong awareness of their surroundings and better short-term memory.

With as little as 10 hours of training, non-gamers start to show the same mental strengths, says psychology researcher Jim Karle, a graduate student in the department of psychology, neuroscience and behaviour.

Calling video games “beneficial for the brain,” Karle suggested they could be used to help reduce cognitive decline in the elderly.

“Individuals who play action video games on a regular basis - more then four hours a week -appear to be very good at an astonishing variety of skills,” said Karle.

“Just as an elderly adult may do 15 minutes of weight training to fight osteoporosis,” he said, “so could he or she play video games to keep the mind sharp.[shadow=][/shadow]
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Finally good news around the effects of playing video games!
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