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Democrats trying to bring back draft

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/19/ ... index.html
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 if the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee has his way.

New York Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars. He believes a draft would bolster U.S. troop levels that are currently insufficient to cover potential future action in Iran, North Korea and Iraq.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose a measure early next year.

In 2003, he proposed a draft covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42. It went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the November 7 mid-term election.

Lets hear all you fuckhead liberals now who were bitching and moaning when you made shit up abotu Bush instituting one.......now you have a Dem who is trying to push it through.
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No suprise here, dems tried to bring up a draft bill back when republicans where in power as well. It will still never pass.
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Although the plan being pushed by Rangel is not for a military-only draft, it's a draft for government service in general, which could include any number of non-military jobs. But since that doesn't make as nice of a soundbite, nobody will mention it, I'm sure.

I'm not really for a draft of any kind. Personally, even though I see some merit in it, I also see a lot of problems.
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If a draft is needed, it's time to pull out of Iraq and let them kill each other. We can go back to launching Tomahawks, etc. and maybe steamroll the region every ten years followed by a quick withdrawal, using the tactic to keep things in turmoil and take out anything being developed as a threat.

I said this before, (same as all the other Nostradamus's on this board with their predictions) that we can't police the region. It's clear that people in the Middle East are nuts and are happy to kill their own people as witnessed by the endless suicide bombings. The best way to end this war is to switch sides to Al Qaeda and then watch as they are killed in suicide bombings by the other side. This seems to work well.

Anyways, peace is never an option in that region. Keep it simple. Keep using intelligence gathering and precision strikes to take out developing threats, steamroll once a decade, and focus on oil flow. It's the best we can do until the U.S. (and Canada) get serious about alternative energy sources.
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If a draft is needed, it's time to pull out of Iraq and let them kill each other.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/19/ ... index.html
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 if the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee has his way.

New York Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars. He believes a draft would bolster U.S. troop levels that are currently insufficient to cover potential future action in Iran, North Korea and Iraq.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose a measure early next year.

In 2003, he proposed a draft covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42. It went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the November 7 mid-term election.

Lets hear all you fuckhead liberals now who were bitching and moaning when you made shit up abotu Bush instituting one.......now you have a Dem who is trying to push it through.
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backdraft was a great movie
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Rangel has been trying for years to bring back the draft if you've paid attention at all to this issue.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/


If a draft is needed for a war without almost no merit then our country has some real problems.
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Someone needs to learn to differentiate between the singular and plural forms of words!
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The US currently has more troops in Germany and Japan combined then they have in Iraq. The only reason that there aren't enough soildiers on the ground in Iraq is because Rumsfeld was a cheap asshole that thinks money is worth more than american soldier's lives and grossly underdeployed troops for the kind of operation they are running.

As it has been said, and as it was even said in the fucking article you quoted (lol), some democrats have been trying to institute a draft for ages. It is a ploy to make the war amazingly unpopular. Althought Bush has done a pretty good job of that so far.
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2 good enough reasons for a draft include the fact you would be forced to stop voting through your assholes as the consequences would actually affect you, whilst also giving at least reality to the constant "WE TOTALLY BAILED U OUT" Us claim made by seemingly every internet retard there is.
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This thread should have been titled: Republicans Trying to Bring Back Seats in the House and Senate
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Markulas wrote: If a draft is needed for a war without almost no merit then our country has some real problems.
Well you did it for Vietnam...
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Too bad Pelosi won't be having any of this.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Incoming Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday the House Democratic Party leadership would not support a call by Rep. Charles Rangel to reinstate the draft.

Appearing Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation" and Monday on CNN, Rangel said he intends to introduce legislation early next year that would require the government to conscript young American men for military service.

All men between ages of 18 and 26 are already required to register for the draft with the Selective Service System. There has been no active draft since 1973, when the military converted to an all-volunteer force.

Rangel, incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, contended a draft would strengthen a military strained by missions around the world.

A longtime New York Democrat and Korean War veteran, Rangel said a draft would help keep America prepared for potential future action in Iraq, North Korea and Iran.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said Sunday.

Appearing Monday on CNN's "The Situation Room," Rangel continued to make his case by saying that the U.S. is too strained in Iraq.

"What does this mean? You send the troops back five and six times. ...This is so totally unfair," Rangel said.

Rangel has introduced similar bills in the past that have failed. Before the invasion of Iraq in 2003, he proposed a draft for people between 18 and 26. Earlier this year, he proposed a mandatory military service for men and women 18 to 42.

"Having our young people commit themselves to a couple [of] years in service of this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals -- and at the end of that to provide some educational benefits -- it's the best thing for our young people and the best thing for our country," Rangel said.

About 1.4 million men and women are on active duty in the U.S. military, not including reservists. There are only 500,000 ground combat troops -- 390,000 of them in Iraq, returning from Iraq or preparing for deployment to the country.

Some top Democrats say there's no chance a draft will be instituted.

Appearing Monday on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight," Democratic Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri said his family has two members serving in the military and that Rangel is wrong to say those who enlist are from poor, disadvantaged families.

The incoming chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Skelton said the all-volunteer system should not change.

"It's what works and what works well," he said. "You'd have to change the entire structure of the military [to institute a draft]."

Pelosi voiced her opposition after a meeting with incoming House Democratic Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland.

She noted that a return to the draft is something Rangel has long championed to promote shared sacrifice.

"It's not about a draft; it's about shared sacrifice in our country," Pelosi told reporters in her Capitol Hill office.

"Mr. Rangel will be very busy with his work on the Ways and Means Committee, which jurisdiction is quite different, but he is a strong voice for social justice in our country," she said.

"And [pushing for a draft is] a way to make a point that this war has not involved or made any shared sacrifice."

When asked directly if she supported the measure, Pelosi said, "No. No."
Unless we actually go to war with Iran or N. Korea, both looking unlikely with the changing of the guard, there will never be a draft.
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Democrats trying to bring back draft
I don't see anything indicating that the Democratic party supports a draft.

I see one individual (who happens to be a member of the Democratic party) who is considering making a proposal for a draft.

Lets hear all you fuckhead liberals now who were bitching and moaning when you made shit up abotu Bush instituting one..
If you can't see the differenct between the leader of a party (who also happens to be the president) calling for a draft and a single congressman calling for a draft you're a fucking moron.
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Odd....I don't recall Bush sponsoring a bill to institute a draft. I do recall you liberals screaming about him being behind a draft though.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Odd....I don't recall Bush sponsoring a bill to institute a draft. I do recall you liberals screaming about him being behind a draft though.
Odd....I don't recall the Democrats sponsoring a bill to institute a draft. I do recall you crying about them being behind a draft though
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Odd.....you can't read a fucking lick.
Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Odd.....you can't read a fucking lick.
Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past
Odd, because everything I have read indicates that the Democrats, as a party oppose conscription.
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Killmol! Miir is right on this one, It is not the party asking for the draft its one man in the party asking for it. To contunue this argument is like saying every republican is a pedophile because of one man.
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Well, in that case I'm pretty sure it's a few of them, but the point remains.
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I'm all for it. I think the guy is right. Would solve a lot of problems in my opinion. It would definitely make you think twice about who you vote for. Hell I bet folks would even vote then.
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Instead of a draft, they should put that FBI Carnosaur program to work on conscription. Every fucking loudmouth jackass on the internet that supports the war should get their IP traced back to them and have forced recruiters sent to their homes in less than 24 hours.

Of course then this forum and every other current events/debate forum would be totally empty and the US army would have an even higher ratio of cowardly morons, but it's not like they could fucking up Iraq any worse than they currently are.
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kyoukan wrote:Instead of a draft, they should put that FBI Carnosaur program to work on conscription. Every fucking loudmouth jackass on the internet that supports the war should get their IP traced back to them and have forced recruiters sent to their homes in less than 24 hours.

Of course then this forum and every other current events/debate forum would be totally empty and the US army would have an even higher ratio of cowardly morons, but it's not like they could fucking up Iraq any worse than they currently are.
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I can see where that might be some half-assed, moronic attempt at an I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I playground comeback, but it still doesn't make any sense in response to what I wrote.

Hell a GI might even be a step up for you Cart. Don't they get like nine bucks an hour? Maybe you'll get blown up and can get disability too. It's not like you need more than a few fingers to bang unintelligibly on the keyboard in a vain hope that one day you'll actually say something mildly insulting.
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kyoukan wrote:I can see where that might be some half-assed, moronic attempt at an I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I playground comeback, but it still doesn't make any sense in response to what I wrote.

Hell a GI might even be a step up for you Cart. Don't they get like nine bucks an hour? Maybe you'll get blown up and can get disability too. It's not like you need more than a few fingers to bang unintelligibly on the keyboard in a vain hope that one day you'll actually say something mildly insulting.
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Don't forget GI's are all rapists and killers. When we invade Canada then you can rightfully take your pick on your eskimo love.
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After the raping Kyoukan just gave the both of you I'm surprised you had the balls to post. Talk about embarrassing.
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Nick wrote:After the raping Kyoukan just gave the both of you I'm surprised you had the balls to post. Talk about embarrassing.

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Cartalas wrote:Killmol! Miir is right on this one, It is not the party asking for the draft its one man in the party asking for it. To contunue this argument is like saying every republican is a pedophile because of one man.
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