Wii is out!

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » November 20, 2006, 5:15 am

Got the Wii this morning, along with some extra controllers/games. The system is a lot smaller than I was expecting! Not all of the Wii channels are working yet, but the ones that do are kind of cool. The motion sensing coolness REALLY depends on the game, some games did not use it properly, others use it very well. Make sure the bar that recieves the Wiimote signal is positioned properly. We had it above us for a little bit and it caused a lot of issues.

Wii sports is awesome. You can play the bowling for hours, tennis and baseball are fun, and golf is ok. Boxing is a work out, but hard to really have control of what you are doing. Best free game with a console since original Mario Bros.

Monkey Ball Banana Blitz - the problem with this game IMO is that they did 50 mini games, so most of them suck. They are trying too hard to only use the motion sensing of the controllers and really don't use the analog stick on the nunchuck at all, so a lot of the games are overly difficult to play. There are some good party games, but its painfull finding them. Overall I wouldn't reccomend buying this game for $50, maybe when it goes on sale for $20-30.

Zelda Twilight Princess - This game rocks. I love everything about it. It's true the graphics overall are not amazing, but they really made full use of the wiimote while keeping it all very intuitive. I'm only a few hours in but so far it is also the best Zelda story line so far IMO. I haven't had this much fun on a console game in a long time (maybe since Zelda for the 64)

Red Steel - I didn't play this yet but I watched my husband play for a bit (he's into first person shooters, I am not). He said that the gun control was about the same as a 360, but doesn't come close to a mouse/keyboard. He also had a lot of fun playing with the sword. The graphics aren't bad at all, the white outlines around everyone didn't bug me like I thought they would from the screen shots.

Excite Truck - I'll try this one out as soon as I can pull myself away from Zelda...

Anyone else able to get a Wii today? I'm curious if Raving Rabbids is any good, I really wanted to pick it up.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 20, 2006, 5:52 am

I played my friend's for a few hours but there aren't really any games on it that I want enough to make room on my entertainment console for one. I was thinking about getting it for Zelda but the fucking game FORCES you to use the asinine motion controller for it, so I will buy it on Gamecube instead.

I was really let down by the motion sensor contoller. I thought it was going to be more like a mouse that was fully analog and translated your movements. For most games all it does is sense how you are moving the wand around and just does a canned animation based on how you gesture. Kind of a let down and not at all what I thought it was going to be like. Might as well press a button because it does the same effect, and people don't look clownish playing it.

It's really nice for steering cars, although I'm used to moving around a bit when I play, so if I sat back in my chair my fucking truck would go launching off in some weird direction because I'm too stupid to remember I am holding a motion sensing controller. I also dislike that I generally cannot sit back on the couch with a regular controller in a relaxed position just playing confortably. I found myself always sitting on the edge of my chair waving the stupid thing around like a retard.

Not impressed with the graphics at all. Uglier than Xbox running at 720p. Huge step sideways for Nintendo while their competitors leap forward. I realize their pseudo philosophy for this machine is to keep it simple and cheap for casual games (like DS), but once companies stop making Xbox/PS2 games to focus on next gen, Wii won't get any ports at all to it and will have to totally rely on Nintendo's once a year first party games, and the system will die a slow death.

redeemed · Post by **redeemed** » November 20, 2006, 6:03 am

I'm going to freeze myself so that when I wake up I can afford one.
wait, no I'm not

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 20, 2006, 8:51 am

I didn't bother really getting amped up about the Wii. I'll look into the console around the first price drop when it's had time to build up a library and they get established.

The thing about Nintendo is that they may sell a ton of DS's but there are very few titles that appeal to me, and most that do are made by Squaresoft or are Nintendo's longtime classics. (Zelda's, Sidescroller Marios and Metroid)

I don't have the mythical HDTV yet so graphic quality isn't a huge concern since I'm essentially always gaming at 480i anyways.

That being said, I still can't wait to try the Wiimote out. =)

Zygar · Post by **Zygar** » November 20, 2006, 10:27 am

Beware the dangers of the wii!

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth ... id=2183346

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 20, 2006, 11:21 am

I like the Wii at least it will get kids moving again.

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » November 20, 2006, 12:48 pm

kyoukan wrote:I played my friend's for a few hours but there aren't really any games on it that I want enough to make room on my entertainment console for one. I was thinking about getting it for Zelda but the fucking game FORCES you to use the asinine motion controller for it, so I will buy it on Gamecube instead.

I was really let down by the motion sensor contoller. I thought it was going to be more like a mouse that was fully analog and translated your movements. For most games all it does is sense how you are moving the wand around and just does a canned animation based on how you gesture. Kind of a let down and not at all what I thought it was going to be like. Might as well press a button because it does the same effect, and people don't look clownish playing it.

It's really nice for steering cars, although I'm used to moving around a bit when I play, so if I sat back in my chair my fucking truck would go launching off in some weird direction because I'm too stupid to remember I am holding a motion sensing controller. I also dislike that I generally cannot sit back on the couch with a regular controller in a relaxed position just playing confortably. I found myself always sitting on the edge of my chair waving the stupid thing around like a retard.

Not impressed with the graphics at all. Uglier than Xbox running at 720p. Huge step sideways for Nintendo while their competitors leap forward. I realize their pseudo philosophy for this machine is to keep it simple and cheap for casual games (like DS), but once companies stop making Xbox/PS2 games to focus on next gen, Wii won't get any ports at all to it and will have to totally rely on Nintendo's once a year first party games, and the system will die a slow death.

How long did you play for? I would guess that you need to just be a little more comfortable with the wiimote. I was able to play Zelda effectively slouching back on the couch - but you really only use the motion sensing for fighting. I could even play Wii sports sitting down, but you definitely get better results standing up for that game! I think that the controllers are sensitive enough to know exactly how you are moving them, and its just the developers who decide how much of that sensitivity to use.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 20, 2006, 12:54 pm

Zygar wrote:Beware the dangers of the wii!

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth ... id=2183346

Ouch. That has to suck.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » November 20, 2006, 1:02 pm

I took the wrist strap off for my first game of Tennis because I thought it was dumb and would just get in the way. The thing flew out of my hands and hit the ceiling about 10 feet away! Then I tripped on GameCube cords while retrieving it.

Next Michael Jordan here.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 20, 2006, 1:16 pm

I heard some people discussing their experience with the Wii. They said that since you're always attached to the Wii via motion control, you screw things up a lot by scratching your nose, reaching for a drink, etc. (when you're holding both controller and nun chuck)

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » November 20, 2006, 1:33 pm

picked mine up yesterday, but we were moving all day so didn't get to open it until late last night. the wiimote takes a little while to get used to. trying to set it up took a while, and i think michael j fox could have done a better job. turning down the sensitivity helped a lot.

over composite cables, the picture looked like leftover gamecube ass reheated the next morning for breakfast. waiting for my component cables, though i don't think it will make a huge difference.

gamewise, we bought trauma center, zelda, excite truck, and rayman. i only played through the first few levels of trauma center and it took a minute to get used to, but i liked the use of the nunchuck. it's just a port of the DS version though, from what i can tell, and they didn't even bother to add more noise.

excite truck is fun. i had played it already but my fiance wanted to try it, and he seems to be having a lot of fun with it. haven't tried rayman but we plan on playing that together, and i'm not opening zelda until i'm done with the unpacking ><

i think there's just a learning curve for people who do a lot of gaming on other consoles. it's taking me a lot longer to get used to than my fiance, and there were times when i wished for an old school controller. the most fun we had though was making mii's for each other.

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » November 21, 2006, 1:33 pm

i played wii sports last night, and i have to say that it beats any of the other games i played (still not opening zelda til we're unpacked!). the motion is still not great but it's a lot smoother than the other games. and way more fun. the boxing game is great.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 23, 2006, 8:53 pm

Don't mean to sound snooty or anything, but the WII looks like it was designed for the mentally challenged....what with the cartoony crap and all.... looks good on you though!

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » November 25, 2006, 4:18 am

Canelek, I think you would change your mind after 5 min of playing Wii sports

BTW Bomberman on virtual console rocks, quite possibly the best bomberman ever released - you can play up to 5 players at a time (4 wiimotes and a cube controller) and its only $6.00.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 26, 2006, 5:43 pm

If they can top Mario Kart, I will be all over it.

...well, not right away--still a few titles I want to grab for the 360--so many new releases!

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » November 26, 2006, 11:21 pm

Nice effort, but the nintendo people are being more anal about the Wii Mote thing (which is wii tarded to use) than Sony is about Blue Ray. Nice games, but your fighting the controller the entire time, especially on Zelda and Excite Truck. Was it really that fucking hard to include an option to use the chuck stick for the truck game or assign one fucking button to draw your sword in Zelda so you don't look like an epileptic whan you are playing it? Its the fucking N64 all over again; Great System, Descent Games, but shitty fucking controller.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 27, 2006, 2:44 am

Jice Virago wrote: Great System, Descent Games, but shitty fucking controller.

Great system? It basically has the power of a last gen console...maybe a little more but nowhere near it's two competitors. What's so great about it? It's great for poor people that can't afford HDTVs, or people with bad vision that won't mind SD I guess. If you don't like the gimmick controller, I have no clue why you'd buy a Wii otherwise, except for Zelda (is one game worth a total of $300?...the Wii launch games had one of the worst overall average scores for any console in history) or to play ancient games on it for $10.00 a pop if you're experiencing some sort if midlife gaming crisis. I put a lot of stock in HD capability. Why? Because it looks a whole hell of a lot better than SD and isn't a gimmick.

It is probably a good option for kids though. The Wii controller did its job for Nintendo. It's like a great preview of a movie that turns out to be shitty. The preview is good enough to get people to spend their money. Now that they're stuck there, they'll buy some popcorn and cokes (games).

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » November 27, 2006, 1:20 pm

looks aren't everything. "great system" involves more than just the processing power. just because something is in HD doesn't mean it's great. i'd rather watch law and order reruns in standard def than watch a lot of the shit they air in HD.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » November 27, 2006, 2:16 pm

Well, its a great system because its easy to use and has a selection of games that goes beyond "Oblivion and five million shooters" at launch. It also has full backward compatability, which is something the 360 desperately needed. Its also not just a glorified PC, its small and very user friendly. The fact that I feel compelled to go to Burger King to get something to play on the 350 is pretty telling of that system's game selection. Also, Red Steel is a good game, to be sure. Its just going to take them time to realize how fucking dumb the controller is and make some actual games.

I do agree that the console would have benefitted greatly from at least having 480p as a display mode, but Nintendo, at least, delivered on all of its release promises, which is more than can be said for Sony and MS. They just have this obsession with trying to re-inventing the fucking wheel with the controller all the time, as the DS touchscreen is the only time that they have not totally fucked things up.

PS for anyone who has not gotten one yet, if you do pick one up get the retro controller.

PPS- My wife got it for herself and we typically get every piece of electronic distraction out there. I am mainly looking forward to playing some old school games because I am not the great master thief you are when it comes to pirating shit, nor do I wish to be. For what it does, it is well designed and it has a couple games I look forward to playing (Zelda is not one of them, honestly).

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 27, 2006, 2:23 pm

The N64 controller was great, you heathen.

Well apart from the left-hand 30% of it being useless that is.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 27, 2006, 3:42 pm

I think the N64 controller was the most terrible monstrosity ever conceived.

Well I did think that until I played a Wii. Instead of trying to compete technologically, Nintendo relies too often on stupid gimmicks. This is why they are number 3 of 3 among console manufacturers. Well that and the fact that most 3rd parties still hate them.

Dal-KoE · Post by **Dal-KoE** » November 27, 2006, 3:47 pm

Winnow wrote: What's so great about it? It's great for poor people that can't afford HDTVs, or people with bad vision that won't mind SD I guess. If you don't like the gimmick controller, I have no clue why you'd buy a Wii otherwise.

You arrogant, idiot, fuckstick. Go jerk off to your 360 Winnow...no one gives a flying fuck about your sorry ass biased opinions anyway. The Wii is not for "poor people" as you suggest. It's an alternative to the overpriced consoles Sony and MS want to push on parents. Do my 8 & 10 years olds care about 720p..? HD (and yes I have a 52' HD)? No..they want fun and the Wii is fun for them. It has titles they are familiar with and its priced in a range that parents can afford.

Once again you have done nothing but prove that you are a fucking nimrod.

cid · Post by **cid** » November 27, 2006, 4:12 pm

Dal-KoE wrote:
Winnow wrote: What's so great about it? It's great for poor people that can't afford HDTVs, or people with bad vision that won't mind SD I guess. If you don't like the gimmick controller, I have no clue why you'd buy a Wii otherwise.
You arrogant, idiot, fuckstick. Go jerk off to your 360 Winnow...no one gives a flying fuck about your sorry ass biased opinions anyway. The Wii is not for "poor people" as you suggest. It's an alternative to the overpriced consoles Sony and MS want to push on parents. Do my 8 & 10 years olds care about 720p..? HD (and yes I have a 52' HD)? No..they want fun and the Wii is fun for them. It has titles they are familiar with and its priced in a range that parents can afford.

Once again you have done nothing but prove that you are a fucking nimrod.

I did not think KoE could use those words!!!

Dal-KoE · Post by **Dal-KoE** » November 27, 2006, 4:17 pm

cid wrote: I did not think KoE could use those words!!!

lol ..
yeah Cid ..you would be surprised

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 27, 2006, 4:21 pm

Hehehehehehe. Nice one Cid.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » November 27, 2006, 4:29 pm

I do have to say that Im disappointed in the graphics on the Wii.... but other than that Im loving it, its the first consol that Ive had fun with since the PS2 (and that was only for FF and Metal Gear).

I actually like the controller, a video game system should be about immersion into the experience, and I think the Wii does that well. Nintendo is already making profits on a product when sony is still loosing an arm and a leg to try to sell more units. If the store I got it at had PS3's I woulda bought one, but only to try it and then flip it on ebay.

If developers learn to make games for the wiimote it will be an incredible system, if not and they only come out with a handfull of games a year to play, whatever, Im only out the $500 I spent on the unit and accesories.

Midgen · Post by **Midgen** » November 27, 2006, 4:38 pm

Dal-KoE wrote:(and yes I have a 52' HD)!

Damn, 52 feet? That must be some kind of a record!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » November 27, 2006, 5:32 pm

Dal-KoE wrote:
Winnow wrote: What's so great about it? It's great for poor people that can't afford HDTVs, or people with bad vision that won't mind SD I guess. If you don't like the gimmick controller, I have no clue why you'd buy a Wii otherwise.
You arrogant, idiot, fuckstick. Go jerk off to your 360 Winnow...no one gives a flying fuck about your sorry ass biased opinions anyway. The Wii is not for "poor people" as you suggest. It's an alternative to the overpriced consoles Sony and MS want to push on parents. Do my 8 & 10 years olds care about 720p..? HD (and yes I have a 52' HD)? No..they want fun and the Wii is fun for them. It has titles they are familiar with and its priced in a range that parents can afford.

Once again you have done nothing but prove that you are a fucking nimrod.

Your selective quoting skills are up their with the best of the shit slinging political commercials I have seen. Or did you just not see at the end of his post where he said it was probably a good option for kids.

The Wii is a gimicky children's console which in no way should be confused as next-gen, and there is absolutely no room for argument here.

Just out of curiosity, how is it that you can afford a 52" hdtv but not a couple hundred extra dollars for a different console? (Hint- that was a rhetorical question.)

Not that I am really looking for you to answer any of those questions, because no retort you could give is going to be satisfactory.

Edit: Zelda/Metroid/Mario fans will buy this system as usual, but other than that don't see why this round would be much better for Nintendo then the last. How many people are going to download many of the older Nintendo games at the price point they are at? I would say it's a fair guess that a big portion of people have these on some kind of emulator (please spare me your fucking comments about pirating, I couldn't be any less interested.)

Dal-KoE · Post by **Dal-KoE** » November 27, 2006, 5:40 pm

Ransure wrote:I do have to say that Im disappointed in the graphics on the Wii.... but other than that Im loving it, its the first consol that Ive had fun with since the PS2 (and that was only for FF and Metal Gear).

I actually like the controller, a video game system should be about immersion into the experience, and I think the Wii does that well. Nintendo is already making profits on a product when sony is still loosing an arm and a leg to try to sell more units. If the store I got it at had PS3's I woulda bought one, but only to try it and then flip it on ebay.

If developers learn to make games for the wiimote it will be an incredible system, if not and they only come out with a handfull of games a year to play, whatever, Im only out the $500 I spent on the unit and accesories.

Ransure, are the graphics just disappointing or are there issues that degrade the overall look of games. Good post btw...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 27, 2006, 7:25 pm

Dal-KoE wrote:Do my 8 & 10 years olds care about 720p..? HD (and yes I have a 52' HD)?

I don't know, do they? Have you put the same TV show or game on a SD and HD TV and asked them which one they liked better? I know as a kid, I could appreciate quality if given a choice.

My dog doesn't seem to mind being out in the rain instead of inside either. He never says anything.* If I put a bowl of pig vomit and a nice bowl of gravy train in front of him, he'd pick the gravy train though!

*I don't have a dog. It's just an example and it never rains here!

Trias · Post by **Trias** » November 27, 2006, 9:01 pm

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Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » November 27, 2006, 9:24 pm

I can certainly tell the difference in graphics from our 360 and the Wii. What it comes down to is gameplay is more important to me than shiney pretty colors and extreme graphics. The graphics don't count for shit if the game isn't any fun to play.

But I'm a woman, and not white trash so what do I know

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 28, 2006, 8:34 am

kyoukan wrote:I think the N64 controller was the most terrible monstrosity ever conceived.

Well I did think that until I played a Wii. Instead of trying to compete technologically, Nintendo relies too often on stupid gimmicks. This is why they are number 3 of 3 among console manufacturers. Well that and the fact that most 3rd parties still hate them.

You must have never used an N64 controller to be able to say that

And anyway, one persons "stupid gimmick" is anothers "innovative extension to the possibilities of gameplay".

Siji · Post by **Siji** » November 28, 2006, 1:10 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Just out of curiosity, how is it that you can afford a 52" hdtv but not a couple hundred extra dollars for a different console?

How is it that people can't comprehend saving for something nice and using all available 'extra' funds for that purchase? I've got a 61" hdtv, but that doesn't mean I can go drop the cash for a ps3/360 on a whim. (Not that I have any interest in doing so anyway)

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 28, 2006, 2:26 pm

Siji wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:Just out of curiosity, how is it that you can afford a 52" hdtv but not a couple hundred extra dollars for a different console?
How is it that people can't comprehend saving for something nice and using all available 'extra' funds for that purchase? I've got a 61" hdtv, but that doesn't mean I can go drop the cash for a ps3/360 on a whim. (Not that I have any interest in doing so anyway)

Or that you just might not want that other console.

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » November 28, 2006, 3:21 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:The Wii is a gimicky children's console which in no way should be confused as next-gen, and there is absolutely no room for argument here.

not all of us are as mature as you are.

the wii really isn't a next-gen system when it comes to hardware since the chip in it is essentially the same one as the gamecube. but people know what they're getting with the wii. personally, i prefer to play most games on a different console, but there are a few that the wiimote is fun for.

i have a lot of complaints about the IR and gyroscope implementations on the wii, and people keep trying to "fix" them for me (ie suggesting i get rid of my cell phone and my glass coffee table) but i think it's a software issue rather than hardware interference.

Dal-KoE · Post by **Dal-KoE** » November 28, 2006, 5:35 pm

SEATTLE (Reuters) - Nintendo Co. Ltd. (7974.OS) sold 600,000 units of its new Wii video game console in the first eight days after its release in the Americas, as the company vies with rivals Sony Corp. (6758.T) and Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq:MSFT - news) for gamers' hearts and wallets.

Full Story
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061128/tc_ ... o_wii_dc_1

Not a bad debut for Nintendo...

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 28, 2006, 7:00 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
kyoukan wrote:I think the N64 controller was the most terrible monstrosity ever conceived.
You must have never used an N64 controller to be able to say that

I played the shit out of my N64, and the entire time I thought the controller was shit. I still do actually.

The D-Pad was never used, and the analog stick was always used...so you spent your entire time with both hands bunched up together on the right half of the controller. I have big hands, so that's one problem. Also include the fact that you're keeping your hands very close together, which fucks your wrists up pretty good (more than other controllers anyways).

It's the most awkward and uncomfortable controller I've ever had the displeasure to use. (and I rank the original xbox controller right behind it in second).

The original nintendo controller, or even the old one-button atari controller was more functional ffs.

p.s. apologies for continuing a hijack.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 29, 2006, 6:56 am

The Wii is a gimicky children's console which in no way should be confused as next-gen, and there is absolutely no room for argument here.

There's always room for argument when people talk bollocks. Let's get one thing straight - playing computer games is exactly the same amount of "kiddy" no matter how many OMeGahurts you use, or how high is your mosDef. And "next-gen" is just a meaningless tag meant to differentiate it from the "last-gen". This point seems to be eluding a lot of people - mostly PC-gamer types who only came into console gaming with the XBox, cos its like a PC and Bill told them to.

Whether the wiimote is a temporary gimmick or a strike of gaming genius will only be decided over time, but Nintendo have firmly nailed their colours to the mast of "games and gameplay" instead of poly counts and processor muscle. Sure HD games look nice and rag-doll physics is cool-but-useless. Look at RE4 on GameCube and tell me those "last-gen" graphics aren't more than adequate for portaying a compelling gaming experience.

Note: Can all rebuttals please avoid referring to the non-gaming prowess of consoles. If I want a HD/Blu-Ray DVD player I'll buy one. I buy consoles for the games and games alone.

Alo Re: N64 controller. I have huge hands. The "30% useless" comment i made referred to the joypad. Yet I played for hours on end and had no discomfort issues. I remember the N64 pad being among the more comfortable that I've ever used (Dreamcast was worst). The only criticism I could make is that the analog stick was a shade over-sprung.
I guess, in short, this means I'm right and you're all wrong. Again!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 29, 2006, 7:29 am

vn_Tanc wrote: Whether the wiimote is a temporary gimmick or a strike of gaming genius will only be decided over time, but Nintendo have firmly nailed their colours to the mast of "games and gameplay" instead of poly counts and processor muscle. Sure HD games look nice and rag-doll physics is cool-but-useless. Look at RE4 on GameCube and tell me those "last-gen" graphics aren't more than adequate for portaying a compelling gaming experience.

Gameplay does not require jerky motions with your hands. Gameplay in Gears of Wars is just fine without it. You don't need to look like you're jerking off to have good gameplay. I'll take the polycounts along with the good gameplay. I see one game that looks like it would last more than an hour or two before becoming tiresome on the Wii (Zelda). Sure, it's playable on the Wii, but I'd much rather see it with the high polycounts looking spectacular on the 360 or PS3.

I don't hear too many people complaining about the 360's controller either.

The Wii does have the kiddie games. A generation of you people remember Nintendo games fondly so it has that in its favor as well. I'd buy something put out by Commodore if they were still around for the same reasons. Ooh a Commodore console! I can play Jumpman on it! cha ching! $300.00 later I'm playing Jumpman and Jumpman Jr on my new console with a controller that licks my palms as a gimmick. An expensive memorable hour later, I'm back playing games on the 360 and eventually PS3 when they get their shit together in six months or a year.

I disagree with your statement that it doesn't matter for adult gamers whether you're playing on an underpowered, last gen graphics system or taking advantage of the technology available today. Only time will tell if new Wii owners are still buying games for it in a year or making their kids play it as punishment.

I don't have anything particularly against the Wii for people that can deal with the visuals except that new games are still going to cost you a lot and as for the old games...life is short man. I do rewatch some old movies but mostly, I'm ready for new releases. Same with games.

"Life's simple, you make choices and you don't look back."

Who needs Sun Tzu quotes when there's Fast and Furious - Tokyo Drift quotes!

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » November 29, 2006, 8:28 am

You are honestly trying to argue against peoples opinions and preferences? Didn't they teach you in like the third grade that was always a losing argument? You should know this as you probably sit in on those very classes to this day looking for some hot poon.

Graphics mean fuckall to me, actually. I still play games on N64 and even the SNES from time to time because I love them a lot more than most games out now. I don't need to cum in my pants everytime I turn on my tv and get dazzled by bright colors and high polycounts. The fact you are even trying to argue this is simply astounding.

Some people like the wiimote for what it is. I for one think it would be great for fps's if done properly, and if it is correctly done, it could even be more fun to play than on a regular contoller. I don't know this because I haven't tried that one FPS they have out now.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 29, 2006, 12:15 pm

Gameplay does not require jerky motions with your hands

Nor does it need fancy graphics. But you should be allowed both options if they're available, then you can choose what you prefer.

If I buy a Wii it will be for Wii games not for retro shit. I was never a SNES owner (Sega 4 lief) and my N64 still works.

You seem to be trying to convince people that the Wii is a mistake. It might be in the long run but its too early to say. In the mean time it's sold more than the PS3 in week 1, and all ready has an installed base of ~10% of the XBox 360's numbers.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » November 29, 2006, 3:53 pm

The controller, in and of itself, is not the mistake. The complete assinine overuse of it is. It is just not precise enough for what the games are demanding of it. Anyone who has been sword fighting in the Zelda game for a while can attest to this. The contoller also does not lend itself to standardized games, at all. Fighting Games, in particular, are going to suffer. Also, if its going to be a shooter controller (which is where it has some potential), it should have a handle and trigger like a regular light gun.

If you disregard the controller, my only real gripes with the Wii are the lack of even 480i HD support and limited RPG selection. The console delivers on all other accounts, but the controller is a big hurdle to look past.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 29, 2006, 5:41 pm

The Wii is like the DS in my opinion. It's a great, fun little system, however there are very few titles that grab my attention as a gamer.

I just picked up some of the very few games that have my interest for the DS recently, Metriod Prime Hunters and Final Fantasy III. I own NSMB and Animal Crossing:WW(Picked up to see wtf everyone was talking about. Was cute for a few days but got tiresome real damned quick.). Aside from that I had considered getting Children of Mana since I loved the original but that may just become a rental.

Aside from that, there just aren't many games that are worth the purchase for me. I'm at a point where online multiplayer is a huge part of what makes games appealing to me and the Wii just doesn't seem ready to deliver on that front.

It isn't about graphics or unique control setups. It's about games.
At best, the Wii would probably become a 2nd fiddle in my gaming setup if I ever decided to get one.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 29, 2006, 9:05 pm

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot on the 6-12 month horizon for new Wii games that are interesting.

As for giving the best of both worlds, I think the 360 does that. It gives you the nice graphics as well as a solid controller and the gameplay is improving with Dead Rising, Gears, Viva Pinata (who everyone that actually has it is playing). While the 360 still has a FPS bias, the RPGs on are on their way with Blue Dragon and Lost Osyssey. It's not like the PS3 has any until FFXIII comes out close to a year from now and Metal Gear Solid.

Some games coming out on the 360 (besides the ones that were just released and the mix of old and new Xbox Live releases every month)

Assassin's Creed (PS3)
Blue Dragon
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (PS3)
Stranglehold (John Woo)
Mass Effect
Shadowrun
Too Human
Halo 3
Crackdown
Forza 2
Lost Planet
Lost Odyssey
Timeshift
Alan Wake
Demonik

Anyone have a list for the next 12 months for PS3 and Wii? Most of the titles I listed are exclusive (not Assassins Creed), and I didn't include the sports games which will be on both platforms.

Here's the "launch" titles for the PS3. Some of these like Final Fantasy won't be out until closer to next Christmas. I would expect more delays than early release surprises with the cell processor programming challenges.

Call of Duty 3 (360)
Genji: Days of the Blade
Madden NFL 07 (360)
Need For Speed Carbon (360)
Ridge Racer 7
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (360)
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (360)
Assassin's Creed (360)
Devil May Cry 4
Gran Turismo HD
Grand Theft Auto IV (360)
Tekken 6
Vitua Fighter 5
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Resident Evil 5 (360)
Killzone PS3
Ninja Gaiden Sigma (Xbox Remake)
Battlefield: Bad Company (360)
metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
FEAR (360)
Untold Legend: Dark Kingdon
Half-Life 2 (360)
Motorstorm

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 29, 2006, 10:37 pm

jesus christ winnow, SHUT UP.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » November 29, 2006, 11:26 pm

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 29, 2006, 11:54 pm

kyoukan wrote:jesus christ winnow, SHUT UP.

QFT!

jeez...take a few hours to go outside and relax a bit

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 30, 2006, 12:10 am

kyoukan wrote:jesus christ winnow, SHUT UP.

Calling out some fictional character's name and then telling me to shut up isn't going to get the job done! Jesus Christ! What's wrong with you!

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 30, 2006, 12:19 am

can't you keep your 360 shit in your 360 thread?

someone wanted to make a thread about the wii and you have to make it (and everything else) about the 360?

seriously, what is your problem?