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Post by Boogahz »

Mainly posting this for Winnow's sake, but I know that a few other people have expressed interest in a Presidential candidate like John McCain.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/15/ ... index.html
McCain forming presidential exploratory committee

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain of Arizona is creating a presidential exploratory committee, the first formal step toward an expected 2008 White House bid.

The Republican senator will file the paperwork to register the committee with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday, a committee spokesman told CNN.

"During the next couple of months, I will be talking with my family, friends and supporters about whether to officially announce a run for president," McCain said in a statement posted Wednesday on the exploratory committee's new Web site.

"Prior to that decision, the formation of this committee is the first legal step in that process."

He will also deliver speeches to two conservative groups, the Federalist Society and GOPAC.
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McCain will eat Hillary alive if the dems are silly enough to run her.
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I'm more worried about his health than anything (72 years old in 2008). If he does run, he needs a solid Vice President. Elizabeth Dole perhaps to pull in the female vote. I'd say Condoleezza Rice for the double dip female/minority angle, but I don't think McCain wants anything to do with Bush's cabinet members.

He needs to get by Rudy Giuliani in the GoP and will stomp Hillary or Kerry. Al Gore running again might be an interesting match up.

I'm sure McCain cut a deal with Bush to support him in 2008 for selling his sole in the 2004 election campaign backing Bush.
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Post by Markulas »

didnt the guy lose to Bush?
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Markulas wrote:didnt the guy lose to Bush?
McCain? Yes, but he would have cruised to the presidency if he was nominated in 2004. Kerry's weak Vietnam shenanigans would have mattered less than they already did going up against McCain who is the opposite of Bush Jr when it comes to military experience. McCain was having his nipples electrocuted by gooks while Kerry was having the splinter removed from his finger that got him one of his purple hearts. Kerry had very little to run on and even his Gomer Pyle act would have gone out the window vs McCain. Along with that, McCain is a more moderate republican which appeals to the libs. McCain's own party can't manage to nominate him but he'd do fine in a national election.
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Yup, this liberal agrees... What is the possibility of Rudy as VP? The only issue with Rudy is that people have lost interest in the 9/11 glory and he wasn't that great of a Gov. his last term...

Hopefully, no matter what the polls say, we will NOT run Hillary... of course I have no idea who else we can run... possibly the Gov of OH but I don't know enough about him except that he is a moderate democrat (which is good with me) but he may not be able to get any backing from the freak-o liberals just like McCain couldn't get backing from the freak-o conservatives who pushed Bush to the forefront.

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Pesonally I want McCain out of government altogether, not higher up in it.
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Who the fuck would vote for someone who so easily and quickly laid his morals aside for the promise of future political gain?

Oh shit I just described the entire republican party. Carry on.
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Post by Kaldaur »

Obama is also considering. I heard he would be deciding after the midterm elections.
The longer a Senator stays in the Senate, the longer they can have their record turned against them for voting on all sorts of pork barrel clauses. Look at Kerry in 2004; Bush's team was able to say that he voted for such and such and this and that, and they were right: the nature of bills today with the attachments and extra spending pork projects make any Senator after 10 years look like a corrupt crook. The sooner Barack runs, the better. Hell, if he runs, I will drop whatever I"m doing and work full time for him. I've heard him speak three times, and man...I seriously get an image of someone who could actually lead this country into better times.
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Chmee wrote:Pesonally I want McCain out of government altogether, not higher up in it.
I expect useless one liners out of kyoukan but you should be able to offer some insight Chmee.

I think McCain is past his prime. Seeing him here locally in Arizona at public events where he manages to get on TV in less than idea conditions shows him to be looking rather unhealthy physically imo. If he's able to keep himself together though, he's one of the few republicans that can appeal to the entire nation if he makes it that far. Rudy is the other, but he's a joke and gained his popularity out of chance instead of from a long political career in Washington.

Who do you see as having the ability to actually get elected while holding the most favorable overall alternative energy, environmentally friendly, economically feasible ideas for the country?

IMO, Al Gore is the only democrat with a chance as he's had a resurgence in popularity lately and has come close in the past to winning. He's settled down and will have much more success in debates and campaigning this time around. The problem for both parties, is getting the best candidate to emerge from the primaries as those candidates have a hard time appealing to the far left and right.

Kyoukan, who ultimately won't have a vote in this matter, thinks this is a perfect world where you can be a politician and not have to play political games to survive long enough to have a chance at the presidency. She's the comedic relief of the board so it's understandable. "I don't see you special interest groups! I don't see you!" Everyone else needs to factor in demographics along with ideals to predict election outcomes.

People slobber over Barack Obama as a potential political savior, but until he changes his name to something a little more KKK friendly and calls Michael Jackson up for some skin treatment tips, he's not going to be president. The only place race doesn't seem to play a factor is in Hollywood. That's changing but not fast enough for 2008. While he deserves serious consideration, you need a different strategy to get him into office. Take reality into consideration and attempt to get the best realistic candidate on the ballet. Be creative. Find some 99 year old democrat (is Zell Miller still alive?) to be the Presidential candidate and stick Obama in the VP slot...or don't even worry about the Presidency and have your VP run the show as is he case right now.

The republicans do a better job at cutting deals and planning ahead politically than the democrats. That's why I see someone like McCain ending up as their candidate this year as opposed to a Jeb Bush type stooge as they know it's not a good year to screw around with puppets and it's time to sacrifice some of the background power to an actual experienced candidate if they want to keep a republican in the oval office to veto like mad the donkey controlled house and senate.

Democrats with a clue must groan when they see the mess Hillary is going to cause in 2008. She'll take out several worthy candidates and ultimately blow the election as she has the highest percentage of people that outright will not vote for her in a presidential election. I'm sure Kerry will do some damage to the party as well.

On the republican side, a few deals cut by McCain and it's off to the races with much less turmoil. As someone else mentioned, Rudy's popularity has faded, making him less of a factor than I once thought he would be.
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Post by kyoukan »

Why do you waste your time posting in these threads? Do you really have no clue how much people laugh at you? You're so politically uninformed and stupid that I can hardly believe they allow you to vote.

Not that you would actually stop downloading comic books, pornography and children's games (probably another form of pornography for you) long enough to vote.
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kyoukan wrote:Why do you waste your time posting in these threads? Do you really have no clue how much people laugh at you? You're so politically uninformed and stupid that I can hardly believe they allow you to vote.

Not that you would actually stop downloading comic books, pornography and children's games (probably another form of pornography for you) long enough to vote.

"I expect useless one liners out of kyoukan but you should be able to offer some insight Chmee. "

Winnow hits the nail on the head with this prediction.

Kyoukan STFU !!!!
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As someone who actually thought McCain was a decent candidate I will say he is far past his Prime and has rendered himself irrelevant. If either Party sends a Senator or Congressman with over 2 terms, they will lose, period. Your vote record comes way too much into play and you will get spankededed. The last member of the legislative branch to be elected President... Ummm go way way back
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Post by Sylvus »

Cartalas wrote:
kyoukan wrote:Why do you waste your time posting in these threads? Do you really have no clue how much people laugh at you? You're so politically uninformed and stupid that I can hardly believe they allow you to vote.

Not that you would actually stop downloading comic books, pornography and children's games (probably another form of pornography for you) long enough to vote.

"I expect useless one liners out of kyoukan but you should be able to offer some insight Chmee. "

Winnow hits the nail on the head with this prediction.

Kyoukan STFU !!!!
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That's actually four lines. Or, if you're having trouble recognizing the beginnings and ends of sentences, it takes up 5 physical lines on my screen/resolution.
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Sylvus wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
kyoukan wrote:Why do you waste your time posting in these threads? Do you really have no clue how much people laugh at you? You're so politically uninformed and stupid that I can hardly believe they allow you to vote.

Not that you would actually stop downloading comic books, pornography and children's games (probably another form of pornography for you) long enough to vote.

"I expect useless one liners out of kyoukan but you should be able to offer some insight Chmee. "

Winnow hits the nail on the head with this prediction.

Kyoukan STFU !!!!
That's actually four lines. Or, if you're having trouble recognizing the beginnings and ends of sentences, it takes up 5 physical lines on my screen/resolution.[/quote]

So its 4 lines Big deal you get my point they are still USELESS ONE LINERS strung together to make USLESS STATEMENTS, So as soon as you pull your head out of her ass take a look. Dont you have a " Biggest Game in the history of all sports" party to go to?
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Kyoukan's busting out her imaginary friends again. I love it when kyou blows a gasket and starts speaking for the entire world. WE ALL HATE YOU! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT! :!:

Mix in a little on topic discussion with your comedy kyou.

Anyways, 72 is too old for a presidential candidate. I know Reagan was up there in age but 40's and 50's is the sweet spot for presidents. Unfortunately, I don't see much else brewing with the republicans. They need to start early and be focused as that will be key compared to what's going to take place with the democrats. If the republicans end up beating each other up, I doubt they can recover in time to keep the White House.
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It's a one liner on Kyleres computer.
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Cartalas wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
kyoukan wrote:Why do you waste your time posting in these threads? Do you really have no clue how much people laugh at you? You're so politically uninformed and stupid that I can hardly believe they allow you to vote.

Not that you would actually stop downloading comic books, pornography and children's games (probably another form of pornography for you) long enough to vote.

"I expect useless one liners out of kyoukan but you should be able to offer some insight Chmee. "

Winnow hits the nail on the head with this prediction.

Kyoukan STFU !!!!
That's actually four lines. Or, if you're having trouble recognizing the beginnings and ends of sentences, it takes up 5 physical lines on my screen/resolution.
So its 4 lines Big deal you get my point they are still USELESS ONE LINERS strung together to make USLESS STATEMENTS, So as soon as you pull your head out of her ass take a look. Dont you have a " Biggest Game in the history of all sports" party to go to?
Just to get it straight, in your head do you believe that you make more or less one-liners than kyoukan or anyone else on these boards? For the sake of argument, we'll disregard the relative merit of anyone's comments.

And the "Biggest Game in the history of all sports" party doesn't start until I get off of work tomorrow.
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Sylvus wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
kyoukan wrote:Why do you waste your time posting in these threads? Do you really have no clue how much people laugh at you? You're so politically uninformed and stupid that I can hardly believe they allow you to vote.

Not that you would actually stop downloading comic books, pornography and children's games (probably another form of pornography for you) long enough to vote.

"I expect useless one liners out of kyoukan but you should be able to offer some insight Chmee. "

Winnow hits the nail on the head with this prediction.

Kyoukan STFU !!!!
That's actually four lines. Or, if you're having trouble recognizing the beginnings and ends of sentences, it takes up 5 physical lines on my screen/resolution.
So its 4 lines Big deal you get my point they are still USELESS ONE LINERS strung together to make USLESS STATEMENTS, So as soon as you pull your head out of her ass take a look. Dont you have a " Biggest Game in the history of all sports" party to go to?
Just to get it straight, in your head do you believe that you make more or less one-liners than kyoukan or anyone else on these boards? For the sake of argument, we'll disregard the relative merit of anyone's comments.

And the "Biggest Game in the history of all sports" party doesn't start until I get off of work tomorrow.
I never said that I make less one liners then Thunder Cunt all I said was that NostraWinnow hit the nail on the head.
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Post by Dregor Thule »

I'd love to see Gore run and win, but I don't think it'll happen. He's definitely improved his image, and IMO he always had the policy to back it up. I don't think Hillary would win if she ran, unless the republican candidate really tanked or was some ultra-scary guy like Frist. Obama would be great, but believing that he'd be elected would be putting WAY too much faith in the American voting public. Democrat AND black? I don't think America has progressed enough for that.

I used to like McCain, but as has been mentioned, he'll sell his soul for a dime now.
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While I have seen McCain play to the fundies a little bit he hasn't sold his soul to them IMHO. He didn't go to the big fundie rally, even though he was invited and he still hasn't spoken at anywhere like Bob Jones University. Yea he is getting a little old and he looks bad because he was freakin' tortured for 4 or 5 year right? The only thing I was really disappointed with him on wast the Torture thing with Bush and I just can't explain what happened there...

I love Obama but I agree with Winnow, he can't win and neither can Hillary. I don't care HOW much money we raise, the Dems can't win 08 with a woman or a black man because at least 50% of our country, and probably more, is still sexist / racist to some degree. I don't agree with it but I live in Arkansas, I see it every day and it's nothing here compared with other areas of the South.

Gore, maybe, he has gotten better but it depends on who he runs against. Kerry can't win. Edwards? maybe... Clark? eh... would be a better VP...

At this point though, if the Dems can keep the Congress I'm not sure I want a Democrat for President. Even though I'm a Dem I think checks and balances are very important and one of the biggest reasons this country is in the shape we are in right now. Perhaps if we loose then Senate next time, keep the House then have a Dem President I would be good with it.... it's really too bad that Bill can't run again because I would go work for him again. I still believe he is one of the best Presidents we have had and believe History will show that in time, even if he did get a blow in the oval office...

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Post by Dregor Thule »

He hasn't spoken at Bob Jones yet (tho he's said he probably would if invited), but he has spoken at Liberty University at the very least. He'll still probably run and win provided he doesn't get stabbed in the back again during the party primaries like last time.
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Just to play Devil's Advocate here, don't all politicians have to pander to their "core" groups to some degree? In this case, speaking at Liberty University when they invited him to be their commencement speaker, or whatever it was. I'm not sure if I'd call what he's done "selling his soul", to some degree one has to make lemons out of lemonade rather than committing political suicide. I tend to think of him more as an undercover agent, going along with what he doesn't agree with until he's in a position to reveal himself and take the conservatives to task.

Or not, I'm really not sure what I think of him anymore. At the very least, I find him tolerably moderate on a lot of the issues that I normally dislike conservative viewpoints on. I'll consider what he does over the next two years before I decide who to vote for in 08.
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Well, if you're suddenly changing how you "pander" to your core groups just to get ahead, then yea, it's selling out in my opinion. He was respected by a lot of left-leaning people because he didn't play the standard republican game, and that's changed.
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Dregor Thule wrote:Well, if you're suddenly changing how you "pander" to your core groups just to get ahead, then yea, it's selling out in my opinion. He was respected by a lot of left-leaning people because he didn't play the standard republican game, and that's changed.
It depends on what kind of pandering he's doing. If you consider him to be the overall best candidate, he needs to be nominated first, otherwise you end up with Jeb Bush or someone else that is a complete sellout.

Democrats pander to the minorities while republicans need the religious kooks. As long as McCain doesn't promise anything specific, he can blow them off after the election.

I recall McCain having a meeting with Bush before he publicly backed him in the 2004 elections. The deal was probably to throw support behind Bush in 2004 in return for Bush's endorsement of McCain in 2008 (which won't mean much as it turns out). I'm OK with that considering Kerry was the other option in 2004 and Bush needed help.

I'd prefer a republican in office that won't screw the military but has experienced the worse of war which will weigh on this decisions.
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The two people I would endorse are not running (Gore and Feingold), so I probably won't vote next election, unless it looks like the Jesus vote is going to decide things. Hilary has some descent policies and is probably the most centrist option of the current field, but she is a carpet bagger and political opportunist. McCain is washed up, he just doesn't realize it yet. Selling out on every major conviction to pander to the power brokers who shit smeared you does not make presidential material. Obama is a little too slick for my tastes and a black Dem won't cut it, as we saw in TN what the GOP will do to rally the base (read KKK). That makes the next presidential race pretty fucking bleak.

Sadly, the GOP doesn't really have anything closer to center than McCain because the Neocons have so thoroughly marginalized anyone who did not tow the party line. The only GOP person I could even consider voting for would be Rudy, but he would be lucky to get a VP nod, given how the GOP feels about New York.
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Strickland from Ohio will be the Dems best chance at the White House...and probably not until 2012. It all depends on how he does in his first term with the economy and his gun policies. A Democrat with high marks from the NRA that can recover an economy will gather a shitton of Republican votes.....as was seen in the Ohio race for Gov. Of course he will probably look like Jesus incarnate after what Bob Shaft has done in the name of the republican party in Ohio. Shaft makes GWB look like the best leader the world has ever seen. I am amazed they did not remove him from office.
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I think Edwards will be our next President. His populist message will strike a tone - he'll easily win the Democratic nomination and the "evil trial lawyer" thing won't fly with the general public. He'll probably pick Clark or some military background person as VP (Powell?).

Not sure that he's the "best," but I think he will win the election.

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Do you guys think the issue of having one party controlling the House of Reps, Senate and White House will play into this at all? Seems a lot of the criticisms in the media lately seem to play around the lack of oversight when one party controls the whole show vs having to compromise and moderate policy.
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Sylvus wrote:Just to play Devil's Advocate here, don't all politicians have to pander to their "core" groups to some degree? In this case, speaking at Liberty University when they invited him to be their commencement speaker, or whatever it was. I'm not sure if I'd call what he's done "selling his soul", to some degree one has to make lemons out of lemonade rather than committing political suicide.
He basically rolled over an endorsed Bush in 2004 after he and Rove nearly destroyed him politically in the 2000 primaries with lies and dirty campaigning. He did it because he was told he'd have another shot at president in 2008. He bsaically endorsed a candidate that he has absolutely nothing in common with poltically and morally. Anyone that would do that does not deserve to be a leader.
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Yeah something really is wrong with the system when that becomes an accepted strategy.

Nevertheless I think everyone would prefer him over Jeb cocking Bush.

Al Gore would get my vote, serial.
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I remember way back when we were talking about the '04 election. I remember during the primaries Kerry was way behind and the front runner at the time for the dems was Dean. But the fact of the matter is we really had no idea who the candidate would be immediately after the 2002 election. The same could happen again, where someone not so well known emerges as the frontrunner.

My favorite republican candidate is Mitt Romney.
My favorite democratic candidate is Evan Bayh.

These two will be my predictions for their parties' nominations.
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Xyun wrote:
My favorite republican candidate is Mitt Romney.
My favorite democratic candidate is Evan Bayh.

These two will be my predictions for their parties' nominations.
If either of those predictions come true, I'll send you an autographed picture of T.J. Houshmandzadeh!
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Winnow wrote:If either of those predictions come true, I'll send you an autographed picture of T.J. Houshmandzadeh!
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Winnow wrote:
Xyun wrote:
My favorite republican candidate is Mitt Romney.
My favorite democratic candidate is Evan Bayh.

These two will be my predictions for their parties' nominations.
If either of those predictions come true, I'll send you an autographed picture of T.J. Houshmandzadeh!
Don't need one, he's my 2nd cousin.

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One-Liners: String Theory, a new book by kyoukan of the north

I didn't know that Xyun. Cool stuff. See that hit he took last week? ouch. I'm sure the player that hit him got fined big time for that one.
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Yeah I really need to be criticized for one liners by the fucking likes of you and Cartalas. Next the two of you will accuse me of posting retarded pictures that aren't funny even in context, and communicating at a 5th grade level.
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kyoukan wrote:Yeah I really need to be criticized for one liners by the fucking likes of you and Cartalas. Next the two of you will accuse me of posting retarded pictures that aren't funny even in context, and communicating at a 5th grade level.
No need, I think your intelligent, I just think the shit I took has more worth then you.
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Cartalas wrote:
kyoukan wrote:Yeah I really need to be criticized for one liners by the fucking likes of you and Cartalas. Next the two of you will accuse me of posting retarded pictures that aren't funny even in context, and communicating at a 5th grade level.
No need, I think your intelligent, I just think the shit I took has more worth then you.
It must really hurt, nay EMASCULATE you to be so thoroughly owned by a mere woman time and time and time and time and time and time again. I suggest therapy. You can afford it now the republicans have made you so damn rich.
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vn_Tanc wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
kyoukan wrote:Yeah I really need to be criticized for one liners by the fucking likes of you and Cartalas. Next the two of you will accuse me of posting retarded pictures that aren't funny even in context, and communicating at a 5th grade level.
No need, I think your intelligent, I just think the shit I took has more worth then you.
It must really hurt, nay EMASCULATE you to be so thoroughly owned by a mere woman time and time and time and time and time and time again. I suggest therapy. You can afford it now the republicans have made you so damn rich.
If her post was what you consider being "owned," you sir need to get out more!
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No way Mitt wins. He's got two big strikes against him running as a Republican. Strike 1 (major) - He's a MORMON. Those Southern Baptists consider Mormonism an evil cult that deserves the fire and brimstone treatment. Strike 2 (minor) - he's a "Massachusetts Liberal" Republican. We saw how well that worked for Kerry last time around.

As a person who lived in Massachusetts during Romney's governorship, let me tell you to not vote for him for a different reason. He has no qualms about passing the buck down to somebody else then playing the "I succeeded" card. He did this with "balancing" the state budget by drastically cutting back not STATE services, but instead cutting back the payments to cities that the state normally made. Thus, the cities had to drastically cut police/fire/administrative/social services that relied upon this state funding. All the while, Mitt took credit for balancing the budget while not cutting state programs, and basically said "tough shit" to the cities as they struggled under the unforeseen financial burden he placed upon them. What a douche.

In conclusion, if Mitt wins the nomination I'll eat my hat (admittedly, it would be a newly purchased chocolate hat, but it WILL get eaten)

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Winnow wrote:I'm more worried about his health than anything (72 years old in 2008). If he does run, he needs a solid Vice President. Elizabeth Dole perhaps to pull in the female vote. I'd say Condoleezza Rice for the double dip female/minority angle, but I don't think McCain wants anything to do with Bush's cabinet members.

He needs to get by Rudy Giuliani in the GoP and will stomp Hillary or Kerry. Al Gore running again might be an interesting match up.

I'm sure McCain cut a deal with Bush to support him in 2008 for selling his sole in the 2004 election campaign backing Bush.
Rudy's only claim to fame is his face all over 9/11. If he runs his history will kill him. Condoleeza will ruin anyone's chances that she's associated with. Hell, anyone involved with Bush or Iraq is pretty much fucked.

Gore vs McCain would be a good race that I'd love to see. I think it would actually be a civilized race with people talking about what they want to do and not just why you shouldn't like the other person. Hillary would get stomped by anyone. I'm not against a woman president, but I don't think it's the wisest idea with the way the Middle East views women. Now imagine expecting them to work with one on laws, wars, etc.. I still think we need a black president before a woman president; and not a white man with black skin either.
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Siji wrote:I still think we need a black president before a woman president; and not a white man with black skin either.
What else are you going to vote in? Thugz for Lyfe? NWA? Please....
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The first thought that came to my head was Rev. Al Sharpton.
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Kyoukan,

You ceaseless harassment of Winnow is getting really old.

We get it already.
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Obama or Hillary for me. Hillary has hinted at taking a stab at our completely fucked up health care system again. Kudos to a woman with more balls than anyone in Washington.

On the other hand, we really need to shake things up a bit after how badly Bush and Co. have fucked our country up. Obama is young enough and idealistic enough to hopefully start real change in our country and it's worldwide perception of us.

McCain is the best the Republicans can offer IMO. He's fuckjing old as shit and a definate sellout. The question is, will anyone even remember or care in '08?
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Jeb Bush in '08 ?
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