MI vs OH - The only game that matters

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 27, 2006, 2:01 pm

We're on a collision course for one of the greatest games in recent history, with the 2 top rated and undefeated teams in the NCAA, that also happen to have the biggest and most famous rivalry in the history of college football. Furthermore, it will also be a classic Offense vs Defense match-up. The winner goes on to the National Championship. The loser goes to the Rosebowl. There is so much emotional build-up involved in this game for both teams/coaches/fans that, regardless of the outcome, it will only further cement one of the greates rivalries of all time.

Nothing else matters. This is true football history.

All other football topics are null and void until after Nov. 18th.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 27, 2006, 2:20 pm

Even though we're playing patsies the next 3 weeks, I'm worried about jinxing them... but I'm pretty sure we'll enter the game undefeated. I saw this wallpaper on another forum, thought it was pretty cool. Nonpartisan, too.

I'll be at the game, unfortunately it's in Columbus and the people down there are the biggest collection of douchebags in the known universe. At least to Michigan fans.

Not that the UM - OSU isn't always a great game, irrespective of ranking, but this should be a game for the ages.

Go Blue!

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » October 27, 2006, 2:27 pm

Damn U of M kids and their music.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 27, 2006, 5:29 pm

douchebag eh?! If I am of the ability to speak due to screaming or drinking or both by the time the game is over I will call you worse!

oh, fun fact btw about the two cities (referring to your douchebag comment). In Columbus you can buy a Michigan shirt. I dare you to find an OSU shirt in Ann Arbor.

also to reiterate, this is the greatest rivalry in all sports, not just college football.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 27, 2006, 5:35 pm

Zamtuk wrote:douchebag eh?! If I am of the ability to speak due to screaming or drinking or both by the time the game is over I will call you worse!

oh, fun fact btw about the two cities (referring to your douchebag comment). In Columbus you can buy a Michigan shirt. I dare you to find an OSU shirt in Ann Arbor.

also to reiterate, this is the greatest rivalry in all sports, not just college football.

Oh, I call you guys douchebags because of what I've been called down there. In 2004 I was down there for our loss that saw us still share the Big 10 championship and go to the Rose Bowl, and people were going crazy berating us after they won. I had people yelling "your mom sucks dick" from the third floor of a parking garage across the street more "fuck michigan"s than I can count (and as a U of M alum, I can count pretty high!), "Ann Arbor is a whore"... Maybe I'll try to keep a running tally going this year, though I'm probably going to get lynched after we win. There was one nice old man, I think he was an Usher or something, who apologized for the behavior of most of the Buckeye fans.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 27, 2006, 5:47 pm

The university is going through this makeover period right now. We are supposedly called "The best fans in the land", however I can't even say that with a straight face. Anyways, if we start giving you shit, feel free to tap any one of the thousands of national gaurd/riot patrol sure to be around.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 28, 2006, 1:49 am

In the history of sports? You bumpkins are quite full of yourselves, aren't you?

p.s. there needs to be a "No matter who wins, we lose" option. Whatever happens, more media rimjobs will be given out after this game than ever before.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 28, 2006, 10:49 am

masteen wrote:In the history of sports? You bumpkins are quite full of yourselves, aren't you?

I am sure that if you live around the Big 10(11) "area" it is.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 28, 2006, 12:56 pm

masteen wrote:In the history of sports? You bumpkins are quite full of yourselves, aren't you?

p.s. there needs to be a "No matter who wins, we lose" option. Whatever happens, more media rimjobs will be given out after this game than ever before.

Name one thats bigger. Duke/UNC comes to mind, but since they play twice a year and there is a lovely playoff system at the end of the year, the magnitude is nowhere close. Same with GB/Chicago. I'm sure you'll see it plenty again this year when espn puts up their poll of the biggest rivalry. Somehow OSU/UM always wins it. Not to mention after this year. The best part about this game is that one person (if not both) goes to the BCS game while the entire state of Florida watches with envy.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 28, 2006, 1:30 pm

masteen wrote:In the history of sports? You bumpkins are quite full of yourselves, aren't you?

p.s. there needs to be a "No matter who wins, we lose" option. Whatever happens, more media rimjobs will be given out after this game than ever before.

I listed several reasons as to why this game is so important. Are you going to try and use some resoning to dispute it or simply snipe away with your useless fucking comments from afar like you do in every other forum on this board?

You are by far my least favorite personality on this board. Everyone knows someone like you IRL. People like you are tolerated, but never truley liked.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 28, 2006, 2:12 pm

THIS game, as in THIS year is that important.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 28, 2006, 2:36 pm

Name one other rivalry that's bigger, and has more significance every year. It almost always comes down to this game to see who wins the conference, year in and year out.

OU/UT? lol
FSU/Miami? Hell, both schools pussy whined themselves out of playing each other.
Alabama/Auburn? Maybe in the 70's.

Keep saying how this game this year means everything, yet don't dare to throw in your answer.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » October 28, 2006, 2:37 pm

This rivalry is without doubt the most heated in US sports. And often the most important. Doesn't matter what the team records are, they always come to play and love nothing more than to destroy the other school's chances at a title. If one team was 1-12 and the other 13-0 I can guarantee you the 1-12 team would play to win and call it a successful season if they did.

Yankees and Red Sox? Pft, and I'm even a Yankees fan. Packers and Bears? Far from it. UNC and Duke? Nope, and I like UNC. There simply is nothing like this rivalry.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 28, 2006, 3:15 pm

Zamtuk wrote:Name one other rivalry that's bigger, and has more significance every year. It almost always comes down to this game to see who wins the conference, year in and year out.

OU/UT? lol
FSU/Miami? Hell, both schools pussy whined themselves out of playing each other.
Alabama/Auburn? Maybe in the 70's.

Keep saying how this game this year means everything, yet don't dare to throw in your answer.

What the fuck ever.

You're ranking this game above ALL others based on the impact it has on the region you live in. The only reason it's so big this year is because the winner is almost guaranteed a trip to the BCS title game. THAT doesn't make it the biggest rivalry. It makes it the biggest game of the year for the schools. IF Texas had beaten OSU and the refs had not won the Oregon/Oklahoma game, it COULD have been the Texas-Oklahoma game with this big of an impact. That alone means your "best rivalry ever" argument is pointless.

In YOUR area, yes, it is the biggest. In mine, it's Texas v Texas A&M or Texas v Oklahoma, or Texas v Texas Tech. Texas Tech has a statue at the main entrance to the campus called "riding into the sunset" (or something similar), but it doesn't face West. It faces Northwest in order for the horse's ass to face Texas A&M. Does this mean the rivalry is any less because if the two teams played each other, it would not mean the winner was going to the championship game? No.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 28, 2006, 3:34 pm

oh, and which of those games are nationally televised every single year?

Clatis · Post by **Clatis** » October 28, 2006, 6:01 pm

ann arbor is a whore

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » October 28, 2006, 6:18 pm

Zamtuk wrote:...also to reiterate, this is the greatest rivalry in all sports, not just college football.

Get over it. There are rivalries as big or bigger in other sports. Maybe not in US college sports but definately in other sports. Outside of the supporters of the 2 schools no one really gives a flying fuck. People will watch because of this ranking BS and people will watch because they hate one school or another or because it will be a good game: that doesn't make it "Teh Gratest Rivalry Evar!!111!!".

You want bigger rivalries? There are great ones in the NHL like Toronto-Ottawa or Toronto-Montreal or even Edmonton-Calgary, which for several years in the late 80s/early 90s dictated where the Stanley Cup would go. The NFL rivalries get a little diluted because of the way the schedules work vs the number of teams but they are still there (Detroit vs Green Bay vs Minnesota is a triangle of fucking love... NOT). I'm not an NBA fan but I'm bettint they're there too. There are rivalries in soccer in Europe, and probably ones in Indian Cricket which dwarf what we have here. There are rivalries in every sport and to think yours is the biggest is idle conceit and misplaced in a junior/college sport.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 28, 2006, 6:30 pm

Zamtuk wrote:oh, and which of those games are nationally televised every single year?

Well, considering that Ohio State v Michigan isn't always nationally televised...OH! Army v Navy is though!

Get over yourself. It's a big game to you. It's a big game to those in the areas near the schools. This year's game is big to the BCS picture.

Just as the games here are big here. Hell, ABC always talks about how "big" the Texas v Oklahoma games are, but I am smart enough not to buy into the hype that they (and ESPN) put on it...are you?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » October 29, 2006, 1:59 am

Boogahz wrote:Get over yourself. It's a big game to you. It's a big game to those in the areas near the schools.

All your references to regional stomping grounds aside, the fact that you ignore the truth that this will be a showdown between first and second ranked teams in the nation, who will go into the game with perfecct seasons, just makes me think you have some weird team jealousy thing going on. The fact that you downplay this game just shows that your the one that has no concept of the big picture.

It's a big game to anyone that knows fuck all about the history of college football you goddamn idiot.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 29, 2006, 2:13 am

Um, let us work on your reading comprehension skills...The ONLY thing I have debated is that this is the biggest rivalry in college sports. It IS the game of the season, and it was being called that as soon as OSU beat Texas in week two.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 29, 2006, 12:14 pm

I've given you nothing but reasons why it's the biggest rivalry in sports. You comeback at me with a statue and espn hype? What about in two weeks or so when espn does their annual rivalry poll (which osu/um win EVERY year) that includes the biggest rivalry in all sports, and osu/um wins? Keeping in mind that it is an international poll, will you still claim otherwise?

I mean no shit, if you live in the shadow of Austin, then yes Texas/OU or A&M (which is funny since A&M hasn't done shit in football in decades) will be bigger, but to borrow from midnyte, look at the bigger picture. Look at the stats posted on that wallpaper above, does OU or Texas or A&M have anything comparable? There are only a handful of teams in the nation with accomplishments like that and Texas and OU aren't any of them. (though, honestly, I would have thought UM to have more Heisman winners)

Its the biggest rivalry due to tradition and history. Proximity just makes it that much bigger.

Oh, and Wulfran, I meant US sports (NHL included). I know those crazy fucks in Europe take their rivalries to unprecedented levels.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 29, 2006, 12:28 pm

Please note that it's not us saying that it's the biggest rivalry in all of sports. It's ESPN (that was written in January of 2000, before OSU's 2002 NC and long before this season's possible undefeated #1 vs. #2 matchup), and the readers of ESPN who vote for it in the annual polls.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 29, 2006, 12:56 pm

You're not getting my point. YES, both schools are better this year (and most others) than the schools I mentioned. YES, this game is the biggest game of the season for the two schools and possibly the BCS Championship race as the season has unfolded. I AGREE with those things. What I was mentioning is that the rivalry WHERE YOU LIVE is going to be bigger than it will be WHERE I LIVE. The RIVALRY, not the GAME.

When Kansas and Kansas State used to play it was the biggest fucking game of the area because it was the only time one of them was guaranteed to win at least one game. That didn't make the rivalry any less because one of them could come out with only one win for the season. Once again, I am talking about the RIVALRY, not the impact on the season.

ri‧val‧ry /ˈraɪvəlri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rahy-vuhl-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun, plural -ries. 1. the action, position, or relation of a rival or rivals; competition: rivalry between Yale and Harvard.
2. an instance of this.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 29, 2006, 1:07 pm

It seems you can find the dictionary meaning of rivlary, yet still have no grasp of what it means. Location means a lot, but nothing compared to history and tradition. If you want to ignore history and tradition (you know, everything that college football is built on) then what is the fucking point of having this discussion? Unless you are just trolling, then gratz dood, you got me.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 29, 2006, 1:10 pm

Zamtuk wrote:It seems you can find the dictionary meaning of rivlary, yet still have no grasp of what it means. Location means a lot, but nothing compared to history and tradition. If you want to ignore history and tradition (you know, everything that college football is built on) then what is the fucking point of having this discussion? Unless you are just trolling, then gratz dood, you got me.

This all started in response to one person basically saying your rivalry was shit. I responded by basically saying that where you live, it's huge. You're the one that seems to be taking MY comments personally when I was defending the rivalry in the fucking beginning.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » October 29, 2006, 1:24 pm

Just an anecdote from the midatlantic:

While people certainly are aware of the existence of the OSU/UM game out here, no one really gives much of a shit about it. I've certainly never heard someone say 'oh, I couldn't go out saturday, I need to watch the OSU/UM game.' It's certainly a big game, but people out here will get more pumped up for pretty much any NFC East game or a Yankees/Sox series or something along those lines. Also, while I can't speak for the 'history and tradition' aspect of it, because I'm not that old, people here are just as excited for UT/OU as they are for OSU/UM. Whichever game has more postseason implications is the one which has (at least recently) been more hyped and more watched out here.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 30, 2006, 2:32 pm

Fair, you can stuff your self-importance up your ass. You opinion of me matters only slightly less than this game does to the rest of the country every other year. You shitcocks don't know a goddamn thing about rivalry.

Yes, it's the biggest game THIS season, for the first time in like decades. Nobody is debating that.

In the history of sport? Gimme a fucking break. Those ESPN polls feed on the short attention spans of Americans. 5 years ago, you'd have gotten the result that the OU/Texas game was the biggest, 5 years before that, probably FSU/Miami.

Don't even talk to me about the history of college football; the fact that you're even defending that bogus statement shows EXACTLY how little you really know.

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » October 30, 2006, 2:36 pm

I certainly hope Michigan wins. Only because it will help out WVU even more

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 30, 2006, 3:33 pm

masteen wrote:Fair, you can stuff your self-importance up your ass. You opinion of me matters only slightly less than this game does to the rest of the country every other year. You shitcocks don't know a goddamn thing about rivalry.

Yes, it's the biggest game THIS season, for the first time in like decades. Nobody is debating that.

In the history of sport? Gimme a fucking break. Those ESPN polls feed on the short attention spans of Americans. 5 years ago, you'd have gotten the result that the OU/Texas game was the biggest, 5 years before that, probably FSU/Miami.

Don't even talk to me about the history of college football; the fact that you're even defending that bogus statement shows EXACTLY how little you really know.

Hey you fucking idiot, why don't you try reading that article. It was posted SIX years ago, or if clicking links is too tough, just read Sylvus's post. Interestingly enough, read the sidebar of that article, it clearly addresses the OU/UT game. And by the way, those ESPN polls are from the entire world. If you want to study it more closely, look at the distribution of the votes. Not surprisingly, most of them come from outside Ohio and Michigan.

I fully admit that the OU/UT (sorry boog, cant give the UT/A&M game that much credit) game is up there, and I would even go so far to put it above all those Florida rivalries and even Auburn/Alabama, however, those teams have only really been hot at the same time in the past few years. They may have had spurts in the 90's and even earlier, but not on the same consistency as OSU/UM.

Oh, and Morgrym, to get to the title game you just have to beat two of the remaining 6 undefeateds to get there.

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » October 30, 2006, 5:09 pm

The underrated and overlooked will prevail!

And if not, they will just go drink a ton of beer

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 30, 2006, 5:26 pm

2005 January 4, 2006 Texas (12-0) 41 USC (12-0) 38

2004 January 4, 2005 USC (12-0) 55 Oklahoma (12-0) 19

2003 January 4, 2004 LSU (12-1) 21 Oklahoma (12-1) 14

2002 January 3, 2003 Ohio State (13-0) 31 (2-OT) Miami (12-0) 24

2001 January 3, 2002 Miami (11-0) 37 Nebraska (11-1) 14

2000 January 3, 2001 Oklahoma (12-0) 13 Florida St. (11-1) 2

1999 January 4, 2000 Florida St. (11-0) 46 Virginia Tech (11-0) 29

1998 January 4, 1999 Tennessee (13-0) 23 Florida St. (11-1) 16

You know for the GREATEST RIVALRY IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS, y'all sure haven't seen too many title games.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 30, 2006, 5:42 pm

I dug a little farther back, and found more of the same lack of your AWESOME RIVALS where it counts:

1997* January 2, 1998 2 Nebraska (12-0) 42 3 Tennessee (11-1) 17

1996 January 2, 1997 3 Florida (11-1) 52 1 Florida St. (11-0) 20

1995 January 2, 1996 1 Nebraska (11-0) 62 2 Florida (11-0) 24

1994 January 1, 1995 1 Nebraska (12-0) 24 3 Miami (10-1) 17

1993 January 1, 1994 1 Florida St. (11-1) 18 2 Nebraska (11-1) 16

1992 January 1, 1993 2 Alabama (13-0) 34 1 Miami (11-1) 13

Notice what's missing again? That's right! The Big 10!

I give props for the blue in 1997, they were a very good team, but the Rose Bowl dickery prevented them from meeting Nebraska and getting their shit pushed in by the Warden's gang.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 30, 2006, 6:17 pm

masteen wrote:You know for the GREATEST RIVALRY IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS, y'all sure haven't seen too many title games.

How does participating in the mythical national championship have any bearing on what is the greatest rivalry in the history of sports? Which rivalry are you saying is better, and how is your opinion more valid than that of the rest of the world whose majority has agreed with Michigan vs. Ohio State as the greatest rivalry in sports?

Factor in that those two play each other the last game of every season, I know for a fact that one has spoiled the other's season multiple times. Not to mention that in the history of college football human polls have always unfairly punished those who lose later in the season than those who lose earlier in the season.

So yeah, you don't see Michigan or Ohio State that often in the recent lists -- except for the two times that one of them has showed up in the last 9 years, this being the third time in 10 years that (at least) one of them will definitely be the #1 or #2 when they enter their bowl game at the end of the year. Add to the fact we've played each other over 100 times, and every year for more than the last 80 years, with one of the two teams accounting for over 70 Big 10 Conference titles...

I can totally see how the teams who have played each other in bowl games in the mid 90s when different polls put different people at #1 and there was no good way to determine a consensus #1 team has a lot of bearing on why Michigan vs. Ohio State isn't the greatest rivalry in sports.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 30, 2006, 6:20 pm

It's also pretty funny that dumbass was able to do all that research without looking at those perty pictures up top that clearly says we have a combined 18 titles in between us, with another likely to come at the end of this season.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » October 30, 2006, 6:22 pm

Sueven wrote:Just an anecdote from the midatlantic:

While people certainly are aware of the existence of the OSU/UM game out here, no one really gives much of a shit about it. I've certainly never heard someone say 'oh, I couldn't go out saturday, I need to watch the OSU/UM game.' It's certainly a big game, but people out here will get more pumped up for pretty much any NFC East game or a Yankees/Sox series or something along those lines.

Bing-fucking-o. There's a shitton of people in the northeast, and you can be sure that the locals stations showing the game in NYC will be lucky to get a 3 rating. It would lose to the PGA Tour if it was up against it. I wouldn't even know this stupid game was important if it wasn't for the shitdicks pumping it up on this board as if it's the end-all-be-all.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 30, 2006, 6:22 pm

Zamtuk wrote:It's also pretty funny that dumbass was able to do all that research without looking at those perty pictures up top that clearly says we have a combined 18 titles in between us, with another likely to come at the end of this season.

Nah, to that they'll just reply that since a lot of those were a long time ago, they don't count. People generally like to only look as far back at historical data as suits their purpose.

1992 is exactly how far back the meaningful data extends!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 30, 2006, 6:29 pm

I posted those to illustrate that there are many other rivalries that don't just produce regional interest, but nation-wide. Ohio St. and Michigan have appeared in the big dance 2 times out of 28 slots, wheras, say the winner of the Florida St/Miami has done that more. Same for the UF/UcheaT, OU/Tejas, OU/Nebraska, ect.

I know you're from the Midwest, but you can count, can't you?

p.s. I'm sorry you're right. Let's dig up the REALLY OLD records and see how Notre Dame used to pummel both of your pansy-asses.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 30, 2006, 6:34 pm

Chidoro wrote:Bing-fucking-o. There's a shitton of people in the northeast, and you can be sure that the locals stations showing the game in NYC will be lucky to get a 3 rating. It would lose to the PGA Tour if it was up against it. I wouldn't even know this stupid game was important if it wasn't for the shitdicks pumping it up on this board as if it's the end-all-be-all.

Holy Christ, you must not watch much college football, though I guess I can't blame you if you live in the Northeast. I hear that Holy Cross and Dartmouth had a pretty exciting tossabout a week or two ago! Or were you watching the Syracuse game?

College Gameday actually had a counter running this weekend that was something to the effect of "508 hours until Michigan - Ohio State". That's College Gameday as in the premier college football program that exists; not just us shitdicks on this forum. Oh, and CBS Sportsline has one on the front page of their website. It's also a top headline on NCAA Football.

I'm not sure which local stations you're talking about, but I'm fairly certain that it'll be nationally broadcast and that it'll pull some pretty solid ratings. We'll have to look into that after the game.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » October 30, 2006, 6:38 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Chidoro wrote:Bing-fucking-o. There's a shitton of people in the northeast, and you can be sure that the locals stations showing the game in NYC will be lucky to get a 3 rating. It would lose to the PGA Tour if it was up against it. I wouldn't even know this stupid game was important if it wasn't for the shitdicks pumping it up on this board as if it's the end-all-be-all.
Holy Christ, you must not watch much college football, though I guess I can't blame you if you live in the Northeast. I hear that Holy Cross and Dartmouth had a pretty exciting tossabout a week or two ago! Or were you watching the Syracuse game?

College Gameday actually had a counter running this weekend that was something to the effect of "508 hours until Michigan - Ohio State". That's College Gameday as in the premier college football program that exists; not just us shitdicks on this forum. Oh, and CBS Sportsline has one on the front page of their website. It's also a top headline on NCAA Football.

I'm not sure which local stations you're talking about, but I'm fairly certain that it'll be nationally broadcast and that it'll pull some pretty solid ratings. We'll have to look into that after the game.

Yes, be sure to look into the ratings at the NY stations after the game because you will completely miss the point of my post if you don't.

And no, I don't watch college football. The greater ny area is a lot more interested in taking care of their chores on Sat while your all important game is being played because the football we actually give a shit about will be shown the following day.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 30, 2006, 6:48 pm

masteen wrote:I posted those to illustrate that there are many other rivalries that don't just produce regional interest, but nation-wide. Ohio St. and Michigan have appeared in the big dance 2 times out of 28 slots, wheras, say the winner of the Florida St/Miami has done that more. Same for the UF/UcheaT, OU/Tejas, OU/Nebraska, ect.

I know you're from the Midwest, but you can count, can't you?

How does something, called "THE GREATEST RIVALRY IN SPORTS" by ESPN amount to something of only regional interest? And again, read the linked article. We're not talking about NCAAF, we're not talking about Football. It's ranked above Ali-Frazier, the Redskins-Cowboys, Auburn-Alabama, Sox-Yankees, UNC-Duke... I understand that you don't give a shit about it, and Chidoro doesn't give a shit about it. Because it's the greatest doesn't mean that it's 100% consensus around the world that everyone needs to care about it. What that means is that more people care about it than about any other rivalry.

I know you're from Florida, but you can read can't you?

p.s. I'm sorry you're right. Let's dig up the REALLY OLD records and see how Notre Dame used to pummel both of your pansy-asses.

I can't speak for Ohio State, but Michigan is 19-14-1 vs. ND. Next!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 30, 2006, 7:01 pm

Then call it the Most POPULAR Rivalry and I'll shut up. But as to greatness, I'll look elsewhere.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 30, 2006, 11:40 pm

Yeah, most popular as in most people think its the greatest. I guess you will also dismiss all the polls yet to come that will say the same thing too, right?

Oh yeah, and the OSU vs ND count is 3-2 OSU. With that ass beating we gave them at last years Fiesta Bowl being the most recent. But please, show me proof of how they stomped our pansy asses.

I'm also amazed at how such a NCAA football savvy guy you say you are, could look like such a fucking dumbshit everytime you open your mouth about it.

By the by, how many national championships has UF won?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 31, 2006, 2:59 am

All I know is Arizona State beat Michigan in the 1986 Rosebowl and lost to Ohio State in the 1997 Rosebowl which also cost ASU the national championship.

I hate OSU worse for that reason so I hope Michigan wins!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » October 31, 2006, 9:37 am

in and around the knoxville area (possibly the entire south east), if it isn't SEC football it doesn't matter.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 31, 2006, 2:44 pm

ESPN can call it whatever they want, as can the dumbshits who vote in their (vary scientifical) polls. The bottom line is that while other rivalries send their winners on to national hunts all the time, the Michigan/OSU doesn't.

I'm sure the Big 10 gets very excited about y'all, because you two are the only teams worth a shit year in and year out. Down here in the SEC, we have at least one game like that every week.

Sylvus, UF has won one title in the last 30 years. And unlike Michigan's split with Nebraska, ours was undisputed.

p.s. Keep trying to shit on my valid stats. It must really chap your ass that the Irish have won so many more titles in living memory.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 31, 2006, 3:02 pm

I think the argument is relitive to who you like, I would think to a Michigan fan or Ohio State Fan this is the biggest game of the year. But to a Texas Fan Oklahoma is the biggest game, or to a Miami fan FSU is their big game.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 31, 2006, 3:32 pm

ESPN can call it whatever they want, as can the dumbshits who vote in their (vary scientifical) polls. The bottom line is that while other rivalries send their winners on to national hunts all the time, the Michigan/OSU doesn't.

I'm sure the Big 10 gets very excited about y'all, because you two are the only teams worth a shit year in and year out. Down here in the SEC, we have at least one game like that every week.

Sylvus, UF has won one title in the last 30 years. And unlike Michigan's split with Nebraska, ours was undisputed.

p.s. Keep trying to shit on my valid stats. It must really chap your ass that the Irish have won so many more titles in living memory.

Here you go talking out your ass again. Michigan and OSU are the two teams who are ALWAYS good in our conference. In addition to that, we have other teams who have their ups and downs. Check the ending top 25 polls, bowl appearances, etc... the SEC doesn't usually end up with a lot more people showing up in either than the Big 10 does.

I guess the clenching of fists and gnashing of teeth made you miss who asked you how many championships you guys had won, but that's great, I'm very proud of you. You've got one and we've got one. Are you this bothered about it because UF isn't even mentioned in the same breath as "greatest rivalry" with anyone?

Feel free to try and rile me up with talk of our 1997 split championship, I know we were the best team in the country that year so it's not going to get you too far. It totally makes sense for a team to go into their bowl game ranked #1 in both polls, win the bowl game, and get jumped in the coaches' poll by a team whose "legendary" coach was retiring after that game. Makes perfect sense.

As far as Notre Dame and living memory go, we get back to how far back does history extend when you bring it up in a discussion? Only as far as suits your purpose? Michigan has one championship in the last 30 years, Notre Dame has two... my ass is so chapped! Alternatively we could go back to my living memory, which as far as football is concerned is only really solid back until 1990 or so. In which case Notre Dame has 0 and Michigan has 1.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 31, 2006, 5:01 pm

Sylvus wrote: Feel free to try and rile me up with talk of our 1997 split championship, I know we were the best team in the country that year so it's not going to get you too far. It totally makes sense for a team to go into their bowl game ranked #1 in both polls, win the bowl game, and get jumped in the coaches' poll by a team whose "legendary" coach was retiring after that game. Makes perfect sense.

Michigan Was #1 in both polls? I could have sworn ASU was #1 and undefeated, including a 19-0 shutout in the beginning of the season of then #1 ranked Nebraska (in Nebraska),10-0 and all they needed to do was beat OSU in the Rosebowl and they would have been undisputed national champions in 1997. When OSU beat ASU on the last drive of the game, that resulted in the split championship. You should thank ASU for Michigan getting a piece of that National Championship because if ASU won, they'd have taken the whole thing!

Perhaps Michigan was #1. ASU may have only made it to #3 in the polls but having demolished #1 Nebraska and being 10-0 and undefeated in the Pac 10, the "pro" analysts were saying it was a given that ASU would be National Champs if they beat OSU on top of all the other accomplishments that season.

Go Devils!

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » October 31, 2006, 5:14 pm

Winnow wrote: ... the "pro" analysts were saying it was a given that ASU would be National Champs if they beat OSU on top of all the other accomplishments that season.

Go Devils!

... but they didn't

GO BUCKS!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » October 31, 2006, 5:15 pm

Maybe the reason there was a split championship is that Nebraska who was #2 and undefeated trounced the then #3 ranked Tennesse Volunteers in the Orange bowl, And the #1 ranked Michigan team ( who if I remember correctly leaped frogged Nebraska to get there), barely beat the #9 ranked Washington State Huskies in the Rose Bowl. So to say that the only reaason that Nebraska split the championship is because Osborne was retiring is BULLSHIT!!!! if anything Michigan was lucky they didnt drop to #2.

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