Voronwë - Canes

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 16, 2006, 2:33 pm

Hey Voro,

Can we get an update on the state of Miami Hurricane football? How are things going down there?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 18, 2006, 12:27 am

They will go better when they fire Coker.

Check out this sad bullshit email that went out to alumni:

From: Title line: This is list ADHOC-DUR00206-******************** on behalf of Alumni
Sent: Tue 10/17/2006 6:42 PM
To: ADHOC-DUR00206@LISTSERV.MIAMI.EDU
Subject: Letter from Athletics

October 16, 2006

Dear Friends,

My vision for the University of Miami–Florida International University football game was to be a very positive experience for both universities. Unfortunately, the altercation that occurred diverted from this vision.

I appreciate very much the support you have given this university and our football team. A majority of our players showed restraint in trying to prevent the altercation during the recent football game. Unfortunately, we had certain players who acted inappropriately, and they have been dealt with accordingly. Each of those players also realizes the affect of their actions on anyone associated with the University of Miami community. I can tell you that as a staff and team, we regret and are very remorseful about our actions in that moment.

I apologize for the embarrassment that has resulted from the team’s actions. You give so much and are part of a family that includes a great university and great students and alumni that we are all very proud. We will strive to represent this university in a first class manner.

Our supporters are the very best and help us achieve our very best, and I encourage and solicit your continued support and loyalty.

Sincerely,

Larry Coker

Head Football Coach

LC:mbs

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 18, 2006, 3:39 am

You can fire Coker, but who are you going to bring in? Can't bring in a soft touch for the bunch of clueless thugs you got.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » October 18, 2006, 3:59 am

They should hire Lou Holtz that way I don't have to listen to his retarded ass on ESPN every weekend!

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » October 18, 2006, 12:02 pm

I'm so confused that this is all they are going to do about this. Its laughable.

UNLV basketball players didn't attack with intent to injure/kill, but took money, gambled, and that kind of shit and they were put on athletic probation, which prohibited them from any sort of post season play. Along with teh players involved losing their scholarships and being booted from the team.

I don't see how or why anyone can say the punishment fits the crim for Thug U in this case. Its obvious they have no spine, and the NCAA actually needs to do it for them. I mean, what's the school president saying, something like "Next time, oh you just wait, next time we will be super duper severe! I promise! But this time, yeah, take a week off guys, its only Duke after all."

How can the NCAA not put miami on athletic probation, prohibiting bowl game play for this season and next, and also kick the players off the team involved? How the hell does that not happen? Well, hopefully they will keep their antics to rapping about rapen' bitches in the locker room, again.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 18, 2006, 12:08 pm

I would guess that the NCAA may still impose harsh penalties on the school. There are probably guidelines that they must follow before imposing them as well. Part of that might involve determining how well the school will "police" itself. Right now, neither school has really done much. By not coming down harder on these schools, another thing that pops out at me when looking at your UNLV reference is that it is apparently ok to commit a violent crime (assault), but it is not ok to commit crimes such as taking money or gambling...

A friend brought up a point last night. Why is it that when a dugout clearing baseball brawl is reported, there is nothing "wrong," but when it happens in a college football game it is as if some horrible injustice has been done. Where fighting has been almost celebrated in some sports (hockey), it is not acceptable in football.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » October 18, 2006, 12:39 pm

That is a good point, but the biggest difference is "FREE RIDE" over "PAID PROFESSIONAL".

Colleges are for education first, although that can be argued obviously.

Professional sports, you are paid to play. When there is a bench clearing browl, its usually fairly harmelss, cause those old bastards don't really want to get hurt. I guarantee if when leaving the dugout, guys take the baseball bats and start swinging at people, or throwing baseballs at each other, you would see things like yearlong suspensions without pay. As it stands, mostly its just old dudes bumping into each other, with lots of shoving and yelling and pile ons... But when something does go down, they all get pay deductions, suspensions, etc. These guys lose out on their paycheck.

For an example here, see: Todd Burtuzzi, when he hit another NHL player from behind and fractured his neck, assaulting another NHL player. Yearlong suspension, no pay. And the Canucks were forced to pay a fine too...perhaps they should levy a fine against the U and make them pay for it out of sports related money (Deduct from former bowl game payouts).

College is free for these guys, you can't take away their "paycheck", cause they already cashed in. So all you can do is take away their right to play as punishment, and make them pay their own way through the rest of their education (yeah, right). Or, you let the athletes finish the education, and you punish the program and school as a whole (take away lucrative bowl games, etc).

But, as it stands today, its NOT ok to take money from someone as a NCAA player, you will lose your scholarship and your eligibility, but it IS ok to assault and intend harm on another human being using a weapon.

Also, let us not forget, we are not even a year removed from Thug U's peach bowl brawl with LSU. How does that not affect this? This goes back to me mocking the U's president and her "next time, next time" bullshit, this WAS the next time.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 18, 2006, 12:59 pm

Ah, but we were not referencing professional sports at all. We were referring to college sports. We have the proof on tape that these people were involved in physical assaults. Let the legal system take care of them. I am sure that many already have a fine relationship with the local law enforcement agencies.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » October 18, 2006, 1:19 pm

hehehe...yeah, my bad. I just am more familiar with professional sports brawling...never thought college baseball was so aggressive....do the bowling teams get out of hand? hehe

Same idea though, take away the scholarships and the eligibility...that will stop it right here and now when the players have no where to prove their skills so they can get drafted. A lot will have to think twice about being a thug.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 18, 2006, 2:15 pm

Another difference between this and baseball is that I have never seen anyone take a bat into the brawl in baseball. I have never seen anyone deliberately stomping on the backs of another persons legs with cleats.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 18, 2006, 4:59 pm

Sabek wrote:Another difference between this and baseball is that I have never seen anyone take a bat into the brawl in baseball. I have never seen anyone deliberately stomping on the backs of another persons legs with cleats.

That was the point I brought up in that conversation. It's similar to how hockey players will throw down their stick first. These people used weapons. They beat other players (Miami kicker for instance) while they were covering themselves up on the ground. That's the part that you don't see happening in baseball or hocky fights.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 19, 2006, 11:35 am

Sabek wrote:Another difference between this and baseball is that I have never seen anyone take a bat into the brawl in baseball. I have never seen anyone deliberately stomping on the backs of another persons legs with cleats.

Actually there was a famous instance in the 60s where hall of famer Juan Marichal of the Giants hit a catcher in the head with a baseball bat while he was up at the plate.

As to the question fo who would UM hire? Butch Davis is unemployed....the head coach at Rutgers (former UM coordinator) is on a short list as well.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 19, 2006, 11:48 am

I have seen several people saying to rehire Butch Davis. He seemed to have cleaned things up before.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 19, 2006, 3:04 pm

He cleaned things up so well, Larry Coker had to kick a dozen of his recruits off the team.

Butch is as dirty as they come. He's a natural fit at the (Thug) U.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 19, 2006, 3:36 pm

An FSU guy here at work today told me "You can't spell scum without UM"

Post by **Sylvus** » October 19, 2006, 4:05 pm

Sabek wrote:An FSU guy here at work today told me "You can't spell scum without UM"

I'm surprised, you being an OSU fan and all, that you weren't already familiar with that. Notre Dame, OSU, PSU, MSU fans (maybe all of the Big 10) have been calling Michigan that for years.

Such hilarity!

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » October 19, 2006, 4:08 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Sabek wrote:An FSU guy here at work today told me "You can't spell scum without UM"
I'm surprised, you being an OSU fan and all, that you weren't already familiar with that. Notre Dame, OSU, PSU, MSU fans (maybe all of the Big 10) have been calling Michigan that for years.

Such hilarity!

Ahh never heard anyone refer to Michigan that way.

We always just call Michigan the Cesspool of the North.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » October 19, 2006, 4:12 pm

Penn Stater here, and I don't use that joke...always like Michigan actually.

I just think Ann Arbor is a whore, that's all.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 19, 2006, 5:03 pm

Kluden wrote:Penn Stater here, and I don't use that joke...always like Michigan actually.

I just think Ann Arbor is a whore, that's all.

That one is even worse. Ann Arbor is a city! There was never even a person named Ann Arbor. The city founders' wives were both named Ann, and there are a lot of trees... iirc it was originally named Ann's Arbor. So you're basically saying "Ann's place full of trees is a whore!" which is completely nonsensical.

I read a lot of sports blogs, or the message boards on Rivals or Scout, and on all of those you see a lot of people calling us scUM.

I have no problem with Penn St., they haven't beaten us in 10 years and their coach is incontinent. Making of fun of them would be kicking someone when they're down...

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 19, 2006, 11:43 pm

muck fichigan is the hot one around campus, not ann arbor is a whore (if she was a woman, she would be though). the best thing i've noticed is how in every college bar/shop they will have all the big ten pennants with the UM one either a) upside down or b) burned

screw blue always had a good ring to it too.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » October 20, 2006, 12:03 am

That's just my favorite one, that's all

I don't think anyone holds pretense that Ann Arbor is or was a person. We all know its a city. It just works, that's all.

Its ok to make fun of penn state. They haven't been too solid...I take the good with the bad...a school I graduated from being made fun of does not make or break my ego.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 20, 2006, 9:45 am

after the porch masturbator, maybe it should be "can't spell cum without UM"

Aneron · Post by **Aneron** » October 20, 2006, 1:52 pm

Kluden wrote:Its ok to make fun of penn state. They haven't been too solid...I take the good with the bad

I'm a Penn State fan as well...but it's really hard to knock them this year. Ok ok...they have three losses, and those losses are against teams ranked 1st (OSU), 2nd (at the time ND, I think) and 4th (Mich).

Thats nothing to hang your head in shame about. PSU hung in pretty well with OSU and Mich, and unfortuately had the score run up on them against ND.

The biggest test now is against a solid Wisconsin team, and what I think will be a good game against Purdue. We'll see how it plays out.