Andrea Yates found not guilty of drowning her 5 kids.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 27, 2006, 11:16 am

This fucking sickens me.

If this woman was so deep in post-partum depression and possibly prone to psychosis, there's no way the kids should've been left with her in the first place.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/26/yates ... index.html

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 27, 2006, 11:18 am

Didn't we cover this before and decide it was the husband's fault? Something like she was psychotic and he was negligent.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 27, 2006, 11:21 am

I remember an extensive thread about this, however this ruling came down yesterday and I just wanted to vent about it.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 27, 2006, 11:23 am

Animalor wrote:I remember an extensive thread about this, however this ruling came down yesterday and I just wanted to vent about it.

Yeah, saw it on the news here too. Someone should swing for this, either her or the husband. Perhaps both.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 27, 2006, 11:32 am

This is the result of a liberal "no-Consequence for your actions" society. Made up bullshit pyschosis like "Post-Partum Depression" get blamed instead of the person who did what they did.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 27, 2006, 11:52 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:This is the result of a liberal "no-Consequence for your actions" society. Made up bullshit pyschosis like "Post-Partum Depression" get blamed instead of the person who did what they did.

Hey, fucktard, stop blaming the "liberals" for what is an American phenomenon; there's liberals in other countries too, but the "cult of no personal responsibility" is an American institution.

And, BTW, it's root is in political correctness, which has it's root in your litigation happy society, which has it's root in your winner takes all hyper-capitalist society. (Guess which side of politics that is closest to).

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 27, 2006, 12:00 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Made up bullshit pyschosis like "Post-Partum Depression" get blamed instead of the person who did what they did.

Woa there Tom Cruise...

I've seen post-partum first hand and it ain't pretty. The thing is that it's also very treatable.

Yates had a history of mental illness as well as post-partum, not a pretty combo.

CNN wrote:Andrea Yates' mental illness predated the killings. She had been on anti-psychotic medication and attempted suicide before killing Noah, 7, John, 5, Paul, 3, Luke, 2, and Mary, 6 months.

I believe she's responsible for her actions and her husband should at least be charged for criminal negligence as well.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 27, 2006, 12:35 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:

Fixed

Post by **Sylvus** » July 27, 2006, 12:43 pm

CNN wrote:Andrea Yates' mental illness predated the killings. She had been on anti-psychotic medication and attempted suicide before killing Noah, 7, John, 5, Paul, 3, Luke, 2, and Mary, 6 months.

With childrens' names like that, it sounds to me like she might have leaned away from the liberal side in her personal politics. It's too bad the liberals are to blame for setting their own enemy free!

cid · Post by **cid** » July 27, 2006, 1:35 pm

Well, if post-partum made her kill her five children. Then depression for killing her five children should make her eat a bullet.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 27, 2006, 1:47 pm

Yes let's all kill the mentally ill person who committed a reprehensible act due to being completely out of touch with reality. You huge-dicked heroes you.

This is nothing but a tragedy. And given that her psychoses are the type that are generally treatable, one day she's going to realise what she's done.

I do wonder if her and her husband are 7th Day Adventists, though.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 27, 2006, 1:48 pm

lol. a conservative talking about responsibility and accountability in society is like Ted Nugent talking about gun control.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 27, 2006, 1:53 pm

Xyun wrote:lol. a conservative talking about responsibility and accountability in society is like Ted Nugent talking about gun control.

No dude, didn't you hear? Midnyte thinks he's non-partisan now.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 27, 2006, 2:26 pm

*~*stragi*~* wrote:No dude, didn't you hear? Midnyte thinks he's non-partisan now.

Yep. A non-partisan who continuously condemns liberals and defends Bush. It's all part of his "big picture" philosophy.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 27, 2006, 3:01 pm

Xyun wrote:lol. a conservative talking about responsibility and accountability in society is like Ted Nugent talking about gun control.

Or a drug dealer's views on morals.

cid · Post by **cid** » July 27, 2006, 3:06 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Yes let's all kill the mentally ill person who committed a reprehensible act due to being completely out of touch with reality. You huge-dicked heroes you.

Hope that was not pointed at me, if so then you read my post wrong.

What I said is if she was mental enough to kill her 5 children then why the hell not be depressed enough about that to kill herself.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 27, 2006, 5:20 pm

Sylvus wrote:
*~*stragi*~* wrote:No dude, didn't you hear? Midnyte thinks he's non-partisan now.
Yep. A non-partisan who continuously condemns liberals and defends Bush. It's all part of his "big picture" philosophy.

And bashing religious people. But, if you added that in there your point wouldn't have made any sense.

I've been preaching this for years. It's just as much about what is not said...as it is about what is said.

Yates bitch should die. I don't give a fuck what illness they say she had. Because she had it she killed her kids and no longer deserves to breathe air.

About attorneys....defense attorneys are generally pussy liberals, who think everyone deserves a fair trial. Sorry, but not everyone does. Yates cunt is a prime example of that. Why did we need a trial? We know what she did that day. Why do we need to wait years and have an expensive trial for somethign we knew the answer to years ago?

Big picture kids. Big picture. You kids think you're cool and intelligent because you question authority and ask questions. You aren't. Just asking questions doesn't mean shit. Asking the right ones does.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » July 27, 2006, 5:55 pm

AHAA FAIR TRIALS ARE FOR PUSSIES

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 27, 2006, 6:09 pm

About attorneys....defense attorneys are generally pussy liberals

Have you seen any evidence for that? Like, say, a survey of defense attorneys in which their political beliefs are discussed? I only ask because I've never seen any such survey in either direction, and anecdotally, the two defense attorneys I know personally are both quite conservative. I also know one prosecutor; he's a liberal.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 27, 2006, 6:14 pm

Sueven wrote:
About attorneys....defense attorneys are generally pussy liberals
Have you seen any evidence for that? Like, say, a survey of defense attorneys in which their political beliefs are discussed? I only ask because I've never seen any such survey in either direction, and anecdotally, the two defense attorneys I know personally are both quite conservative. I also know one prosecutor; he's a liberal.

Not to mention that many attorneys take cases as they are assigned, not the cases they pick.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 27, 2006, 6:19 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:About attorneys....defense attorneys are generally pussy liberals, who think everyone deserves a fair trial. Sorry, but not everyone does. Yates cunt is a prime example of that. Why did we need a trial? We know what she did that day. Why do we need to wait years and have an expensive trial for somethign we knew the answer to years ago?

lol. You're sounding more like George Bush everyday.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » July 27, 2006, 6:19 pm

who think everyone deserves a fair trial. Sorry, but not everyone does.

Yeah...

who think everyone deserves a fair trial. Sorry, but not everyone does.

Hmm....

who think everyone deserves a fair trial. Sorry, but not everyone does.

Well....

who think everyone deserves a fair trial. Sorry, but not everyone does.

No, looked at it four times, and it's still the most ignorant statement I've heard, ever.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 27, 2006, 6:32 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Big picture kids. Big picture. You kids think you're cool and intelligent because you question authority and ask questions. You aren't. Just asking questions doesn't mean shit. Asking the right ones does.

lol, "why did we need a trial?" is the right question? That's one of the most laughable things I've ever heard. I should have expected it though, you've never really supported the 7th Amendment.

She had a trial because SHE'S GOT MENTAL PROBLEMS. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity, and is going to a facility that can hopefully help her with those issues rather than just going to a normal prison for the rest of her life. Her former husband, the father of the children who were killed, thinks that she belongs in a mental facility rather than gen pop.

Don't you have kids? Can you imagine anyone being able to have five of them, for like 8 years or whatever, and wake up one day and kill them all?

Just Occam's Razor here, is it easier to believe
A) This malicious lady secretly hid her evil streak from everyone through the birth of 5 children while laying in wait to kill them all in one fell swoop, and that removing her from this planet would benefit humanity.
or
B) Post Partum Psychosis is a real disease that affected the chemicals in this lady's brain and made her break from reality in a one-time event that caused her to do something horrible that she normally would never do?

I tend to go with B, as did the jury in this case, and I'm kind of glad that they did. You're probably waiting for Dubya to issue some sort of a signing statement regarding the 7th Amendment though, right?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 27, 2006, 7:16 pm

Keep making excuses for the wrong people. Wow man, you are sad.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 27, 2006, 8:34 pm

due process is for whiney liberals rite guyz?

Jesus, a new low in stupidity for Midnyte. Why don't you just spare us all and take your fucking life already?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 27, 2006, 10:00 pm

All of you need to shut the fuck up.

She killed 5 CHILDREN, she deserves to burn no matter how fucking insane she is.

Just because some murderous prick is insane enough to kill 5 children doesn't mean we should all rim her to death and sympathise with her "illness".

There is a difference between flaming Midnyte because he is a fucking asshole and because it's cool.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 27, 2006, 10:14 pm

a chemical imbalance in her brain through no fault of her own caused her to do it. I would rather keep her alive and study her and learn from her as to what causes a person to do something like this and how it can be prevented.

she should be kept away from society for the rest of her natural life. and I am not above punishing her for neglecting to seek treatment for her obvious mental illness. I would implicate her husband as negligent as well, although it is obvious that neither of them thought she would go that nuts.

when you're old enough you'll probably figure out why were railing on midnyte for wiping his ass with another thread. other than the obvious "capital punishment doesn't deter crime" point, nobody even cares about his bloodthirsty biblical punishment ranting. it's all the other stupid fucking shit.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 27, 2006, 10:29 pm

I agree with you apart from the retarded condescension once you hit "once you're old enough". I didn't expect a vaguely cohesive structural argument beyond "You're a fucking douche Nick" so forgive me.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 27, 2006, 10:52 pm

kyoukan wrote:a

when you're old enough you'll probably figure out why were railing on midnyte for wiping his ass with another thread. other than the obvious "capital punishment doesn't deter crime" point, nobody even cares about his bloodthirsty biblical punishment ranting. it's all the other stupid fucking shit.

I'm just not a pussy like you. I feel people who murder others should die. I believe life is a gift, once you shit on that gift by removing another persons life, you stop breathing.

Chemical imbalance? Don't all murderers have some sort of mental illness, thus leading them to kill someone versus stepping back taking a breath and realizing the consequences of such an action? LOL you truly are a sad person.

But, I don't wish you to die or take your life. That's the difference between you and me. You call me the things you are. Ironic huh?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 27, 2006, 11:21 pm

I believe that people as stupid as you should be euthanized by cricket bats in front of their families in punishment for giving birth to someone as fucking worthless as yourself.

I guess that makes you a bigger pussy than me, because apparently how swiftly a person would carry out a death penalty on someone else is a great indicator of how hardcore you are.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 27, 2006, 11:26 pm

Nick wrote:I agree with you apart from the retarded condescension once you hit "once you're old enough".

Oh, and I thought that was my most cogent point.

I didn't expect a vaguely cohesive structural argument beyond "You're a fucking douche Nick" so forgive me.

As cohesive and structural as "All of you need to shut the fuck up. She killed 5 CHILDREN, she deserves to burn no matter how fucking insane she is"?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 28, 2006, 4:01 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
*~*stragi*~* wrote:No dude, didn't you hear? Midnyte thinks he's non-partisan now.
Yep. A non-partisan who continuously condemns liberals and defends Bush. It's all part of his "big picture" philosophy.
And bashing religious people. But, if you added that in there your point wouldn't have made any sense.

I've been preaching this for years. It's just as much about what is not said...as it is about what is said.

Yates bitch should die. I don't give a fuck what illness they say she had. Because she had it she killed her kids and no longer deserves to breathe air.

About attorneys....defense attorneys are generally pussy liberals, who think everyone deserves a fair trial. Sorry, but not everyone does. Yates cunt is a prime example of that. Why did we need a trial? We know what she did that day. Why do we need to wait years and have an expensive trial for somethign we knew the answer to years ago?

Big picture kids. Big picture. You kids think you're cool and intelligent because you question authority and ask questions. You aren't. Just asking questions doesn't mean shit. Asking the right ones does.

Wow. spoken like a true... terrorist. How much do you hate this country to shit on its founding principles so obstinately? I don't think you will ever realize that the view you hold of our democracy and justice system is directly in line with that of the terrorist. Here's an appropriate question for you, are you a closet sand nigger?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 28, 2006, 4:11 am

Cartalas wrote:
Xyun wrote:lol. a conservative talking about responsibility and accountability in society is like Ted Nugent talking about gun control.
Or a drug dealer's views on morals.

If reputation matters so much to you why aren't you concerned with your own?

redeemed · Post by **redeemed** » July 28, 2006, 4:19 am

is it weird that I like kyoukan?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 28, 2006, 7:08 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: I'm just not a pussy like you. I feel people who murder others should die. I believe life is a gift, once you shit on that gift by removing another persons life, you stop breathing.

Chemical imbalance? Don't all murderers have some sort of mental illness, thus leading them to kill someone versus stepping back taking a breath and realizing the consequences of such an action? LOL you truly are a sad person.

No not all murderers have mental problems. Some are just cold-blooded killers. The definition of murder is to kill someone with malice aforethought. To know what you are doing and do it anyway.

This lady is killed her children because she genuinely felt she was saving them from a worse fate. I can't imagine just how fractured your personal reality has to be to even get to this kind of thinking. And to kill your own kids. . .Christ.

Murderers deserve no sympathy but this lady isn't one.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » July 28, 2006, 11:14 am

I personally don't believe that insanity should be used as a defense. In this case, Yates knew she suffered from PPD and she STILL went off her meds. The other thing that I jsut can't get out of my head is the fact that her 7 year old escaped from her and ran down the hall away from her. She chased after him and drowned him. I just can't get that picture out of my head and I think she deserved to die. My only consolation is that she will likely never get out of teh looney bin and as she is force fed drugs I hope she realizes more clearly what she did and truly suffers for it. I don't think she will though because I think she did this too spite her husband over marital problems. I still believe that this was premeditated based on the fact that she chose to do in the hour between her husband leaving for work and her mother arriving to help babysit. I don't think a truly insane person plans things that well.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 28, 2006, 12:09 pm

I am guessing you know jack and shit about most mental disorders. People going off of their meds is a normal thing. You see, people get help to be "normal" and when they attain "normal" (through therapy and meds) they go off of the medications. It is not like other "diseases" that can be treated until they go away, but that is how some of the people being treated have reported feeling when they discontinued their treatment. The long-term dependencies of the brain on the medications cannot be felt by those being treated. They may go off of their meds and feel fine forever. They may go off of them and feel fine for a couple days/weeks until the meds are out of their systems. When they go back to feeling the way they did before. There is no cut-and-paste way to deal with people who do that. All you can do is be as supportive as possible and try to convince them that the medications and therapy were doing much better for them than they may realize.

I don't know how exactly I feel about the premeditation issue in her case, but saying that an "insane" person would not think of doing that type of thing before-hand is uninformed as well. People contemplating suicide/homicide due to a mental disorder do not just do it after the fact (in the case of homicide, obviously). The thoughts of committing those acts are some of the reasons the people either are, or should be, in treatment in the first place. You can have thoughts of doing those kinds of things, and the shrinks will let you walk out of their office with a clear conscience. The first time that you mention anything remotely resembling an actual plan to commit the act is when you should be detained and sent into more intense treatment under constant supervision.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 28, 2006, 12:30 pm

I don't think she will though because I think she did this too spite her husband over marital problems

The suggestion that someone would murder her 5 children to "get back" at her husband is quite simply one of the most astonishing things I've EVER read here.

How many of you experts here have direct first-hand experience of working with mentally-ill mothers who have killed their own children?
Because I have.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 28, 2006, 12:33 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
I don't think she will though because I think she did this too spite her husband over marital problems
The suggestion that someone would murder her 5 children to "get back" at her husband is quite simply one of the most astonishing things I've EVER read here.

How many of you experts here have direct first-hand experience of working with mentally-ill mothers who have killed their own children?
Because I have.

I worked with two that tried, but thankfully none that actually accomplished it.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 28, 2006, 12:35 pm

Boogahz wrote:
vn_Tanc wrote:
I don't think she will though because I think she did this too spite her husband over marital problems
The suggestion that someone would murder her 5 children to "get back" at her husband is quite simply one of the most astonishing things I've EVER read here.

How many of you experts here have direct first-hand experience of working with mentally-ill mothers who have killed their own children?
Because I have.
I worked with two that tried, but thankfully none that actually accomplished it.

And do you agree we should just kill them out of hand without a second thought?
Or would that be the knee-jerk reaction of your garden-variety simpleton?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » July 28, 2006, 12:36 pm

Oh my god I've been immortalized in the sig of an internet retard!
I WIN AT LIFE!

you can all fucking bow down, peons!

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 28, 2006, 12:45 pm

Nick wrote:All of you need to shut the fuck up.

She killed 5 CHILDREN, she deserves to burn no matter how fucking insane she is.

Just because some murderous prick is insane enough to kill 5 children doesn't mean we should all rim her to death and sympathise with her "illness".

There is a difference between flaming Midnyte because he is a fucking asshole and because it's cool.

There's a difference between giving someone due process and their sentencing as well.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 28, 2006, 12:52 pm

and for the record i think she should be put to death also seeing as she knowingly went off her medication.