The Liberal Media Painting Grim Picture in Iraq

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 24, 2006, 11:05 pm

Jice Virago wrote:Does anyone else hear the A-Team theme music in their head whenever reading an Aruman post?

Translation:

Someone knows more about something than I do due to real experience, so I am going to try to use extremely lame attempts at humor.

This will help me feel better about my insecurity when confronted by someone who knows more about something than I do.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 24, 2006, 11:23 pm

Jice Virago wrote:It could quite possibly bankrupt us and end our days as a super power.

How can it bankrupt us? We are sitting on all that oil under our 51st state, Iraq.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 24, 2006, 11:44 pm

Aruman wrote:Someone knows more about something than I do due to real experience

lol

who do you think you are fooling, especially after making such an ass of yourself on this thread?

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » July 25, 2006, 4:35 am

Metanis wrote:
Jice Virago wrote:It could quite possibly bankrupt us and end our days as a super power.
How can it bankrupt us? We are sitting on all that oil under our 51st state, Iraq.

We're letting the Red Cross handle the sale and distribution of the oil and profits.

Could be broke in a week!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » July 25, 2006, 7:31 am

kyoukan wrote:
Aruman wrote:Someone knows more about something than I do due to real experience
lol

who do you think you are fooling, especially after making such an ass of yourself on this thread?

Watch out Aruman if anyone knows about making an ass out of themselves in a thread its Kyoukan. She has it down to a science.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 25, 2006, 8:03 am

I love how Aruman completely dismisses the original topic of this thread because those soldiers are "JUST NG LOL LOOSSERS" then later tries to claim he wasn't intending to disparage NG soldiers who fight in Iraq.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 25, 2006, 8:55 am

Nick wrote:I love how Aruman completely dismisses the original topic of this thread because those soldiers are "JUST NG LOL LOOSSERS" then later tries to claim he wasn't intending to disparage NG soldiers who fight in Iraq.

I'm not a vindictive little man who thinks using insults makes me something important.

Nothing I said was false. I wasn't putting down NG in the way you think. If you could really read you would understand that, but seeing how you likely have absolutely zero experience with serving in the military, I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 25, 2006, 9:30 am

Yes only people with experience in the military know how to read.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 25, 2006, 11:30 am

Voronwë wrote:Oh wait these are the soldiers themselves....
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... ml?cnn=yes

Aruman wrote:
The National Guardsman in the frame looks grim. His bunkmates are cutting up a bit, clowning for the camera. The cameraman tries to coax some action out the unwilling documentary subject,
Pfft... and double pfft...

Saw National Guard and dismissed this entirely.

Aruman wrote:Nothing I said was false. I wasn't putting down NG in the way you think. If you could really read you would understand that

If anything in my schooling or the standardized tests we used to have to take is correct, my reading comprehension is one of my stronger skills. What you're doing now is called 'backpedaling'. "In the way you think" is kind of cute, you admit you were putting them down, just in a different way than people who haven't been in the military can understand. Right.

You immediately dismissed the opinion of someone who is over in iraq because they are in the National Guard. Those "unreal" soldiers are over there and they don't even have the "training, motivation, physical conditioning, mental conditioning, or anything else you could come up with" that someone in active duty should have. Doesn't that then paint an even more grim picture of the situation over there? What about the marine they talk about at the end of the article, does the validity of his opinion as someone on active duty (what do you call what the National Guard is doing over there, by the way? I'm not in the military so I can hardly understand) cancel out the invalidity of the National Guard guy's opinion from the first paragraph?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 25, 2006, 5:38 pm

Sylvus, you don't understand. Once you serve in the military, then you have the priviledge of insulting the military. Liberal pussies like you and I don't support our troops because we never served, but an American hero like Aruman served and earned his right to freely dismiss and look down upon our soldiers, that's how you support the troops fool. You can't get more American than that.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 25, 2006, 10:08 pm

Sylvus wrote: You immediately dismissed the opinion of someone who is over in iraq because they are in the National Guard. Those "unreal" soldiers are over there and they don't even have the "training, motivation, physical conditioning, mental conditioning, or anything else you could come up with" that someone in active duty should have. Doesn't that then paint an even more grim picture of the situation over there? What about the marine they talk about at the end of the article, does the validity of his opinion as someone on active duty (what do you call what the National Guard is doing over there, by the way? I'm not in the military so I can hardly understand) cancel out the invalidity of the National Guard guy's opinion from the first paragraph?

I don't know how many times I have to say it... the National Guard does not have the same capability as Active Duty Units. Does this make them 'bad'? No, but I won't take the whining from a National Guard member all that seriously for the reason I have stated multiple times already... however, let's do a little comparing of my comments with those of you who hate President Bush.

President Bush 's the President, he doesn't have the same experience, intelligence, motivation, and so on that other more favored presidents had, but yet he's doing the best he can at the same job those other 'superior' Presidents did, yet you people bad mouth him.

Dare I raise the Pot/Kettle colloquialism?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 25, 2006, 10:27 pm

President Bush 's the President, he doesn't have the same experience, intelligence, motivation, and so on that other more favored presidents had, but yet he's doing the best he can at the same job those other 'superior' Presidents did, yet you people bad mouth him.

Dare I raise the Pot/Kettle colloquialism?

So are you saying a President elect should never be criticized for his actions by the people who gave him power (or who have a vested moral interest in peace) just because "he's doing the best he can"?

It's called democracy and accountability. It's not something many people have a problem with - except people like you and your ilk.

As for criticizing NG men who share their experiences just because they don't have the training other soldiers get is pretty much as ridiculous and illogical as it gets. You are free to believe that everything in Iraq is rosy and peaceful, but for fucks sake don't try and rationalise it to people who live in the real world by the stance you have taken in this thread, it's a disservice to everyone's intellect.

Pot and kettle have fuck and all to do with anything here.

You and Metanis and the like have consistently used """""mature adult thinking""""" to justify an increasingly chaotic Iraqi state of affairs and just for once it would be nice if one single argument you ever made actually fell inside that percieved bracket, even just for shits and giggles.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 25, 2006, 11:01 pm

President Bush 's the President, he doesn't have the same experience, intelligence, motivation, and so on that other more favored presidents had, but yet he's doing the best he can at the same job those other 'superior' Presidents did, yet you people bad mouth him.

Dare I raise the Pot/Kettle colloquialism?

We are not talking about a president that is not as good as former presidents. Dude is just a bad president.

'best job he can....'

You fucking tit.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 25, 2006, 11:40 pm

Now, now, Aruman actually has a point here. I don't blame Bush for being a below average human; lazy, stupid, ignorant, etc. I blame those of the American people that voted for this fucktard, not once, but twice.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 26, 2006, 12:01 am

sweet analogy, rambo. because bush actually only wanted to be mayor of crawford, but rumsfeld tricked him into becoming president.

no really, that is such a great comparison.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » July 26, 2006, 2:32 am

I am having visions of the presidential limo being parked in a handicapped parking spot....

But seriously, Bush is the worst president in history. He has literally been wrong about everything. I mean, christ, Nixon didn't approach his level of hubris plus there was competant purpose to his evil. Nixon also made peace with China. I bring up Nixon because the latest talking points have basically said "He is not as bad as Nixon was." and I say bullshit to that. Nixon had a sharp mind and his cabinet was worlds more competant than the current roster. I can't think of one fucking thing W has done that he actually has managed to complete. Not even his pandering to the Jesus freaks has panned out. And make no mistake, we are going down the same road as the Soviet State, being reduced from a super power through financial means because we could not stay the fuck out of the middle east. At least we know Israel and Japan will buy our extra nukes...

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 26, 2006, 2:37 am

Well, I can tell you this for nothing: There'll be no market for American Mail-Order Brides.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 26, 2006, 3:26 am

I'm sorry I forgot exactly how did Bush serve his country in the military? In your professional opinion Mr. Military Guy, does a National Guard reject have the proper training or qualifications to be the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world?

Kerry was active duty.

I'm sure in your deluded reality the two men running for the presidency were exceptions to your blanket stereotype. It amazes me how the blatant contradiction in your rhetoric, which would cost a rational man his dignity, hides itself from you like a muslim child from an Israeli soldier.

According to your argument and your voting record, active duty make better soldiers but national guard make better military leaders.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » July 26, 2006, 4:28 am

Zaelath wrote:Well, I can tell you this for nothing: There'll be no market for American Mail-Order Brides.

Not neccesarily true, if the price pr pound get low enough, there might be some sale value for them in the more rural areas with lack of food

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 26, 2006, 5:48 am

Xyun wrote: According to your argument and your voting record, active duty make better soldiers but national guard make better military leaders.

Huh?

What kind of twisted logic is that.

I merely made a comparison of what you people say is my 'bad mouthing NG' to your 'bad mouthing' President Bush.

I don't see myself saying anything other than National Guard do not have the same discipline, etc... as Active Duty does. Due to that NG are much more prone to whining about things they don't like.

How you twisted that into my saying NG make better military leaders is beyond me.

As far as my voting record goes... I didn't vote for Lurch, and I didn't vote for W in either election.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » July 26, 2006, 6:41 am

Active Duty never whine about things they do not like?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » July 26, 2006, 6:49 am

As far as my voting record goes... I didn't vote for Lurch, and I didn't vote for W in either election.

If you didn't vote for Bush, and you hate Kerry, pray tell, who did you vote for?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 26, 2006, 8:28 am

Xyun wrote:
As far as my voting record goes... I didn't vote for Lurch, and I didn't vote for W in either election.
If you didn't vote for Bush, and you hate Kerry, pray tell, who did you vote for?

No one! Making him impervious to all arguments and allowed to complain about anything and everything with a clear moral fortitude! That's how it works right?!

Or did he.. *guffaw*.. throw his vote away on a third party!

Siji · Post by **Siji** » July 26, 2006, 9:09 am

Jice Virago wrote:I can't think of one fucking thing W has done that he actually has managed to complete.

Pshaw. You're not trying hard enough. At the very least, he's completely made an ass of himself and for the most part, the whole country.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 26, 2006, 10:38 am

Dregor Thule wrote:
Xyun wrote:
As far as my voting record goes... I didn't vote for Lurch, and I didn't vote for W in either election.
If you didn't vote for Bush, and you hate Kerry, pray tell, who did you vote for?
No one! Making him impervious to all arguments and allowed to complain about anything and everything with a clear moral fortitude! That's how it works right?!

Or did he.. *guffaw*.. throw his vote away on a third party!

I didn't vote for anyone, I was pretty much unhappy with all the candidates. There was no 'lesser evil'.

I have no problem living with the decisions of those who did vote though.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 26, 2006, 2:55 pm

people who don't vote and complain need to have their balls taken.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 26, 2006, 5:55 pm

Truant wrote:people who don't vote and complain need to have their balls taken.

I haven't complained about President Bush at all.

People who did vote and complain are most likely Democrats.

Skogen · Post by **Skogen** » July 26, 2006, 6:38 pm

I love this thread!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 26, 2006, 6:39 pm

I haven't complained about President Bush at all.

That's not something you should proclaim too loudly with any degree of pride.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » July 26, 2006, 7:16 pm

Nick wrote:
I haven't complained about President Bush at all.
That's not something you should proclaim too loudly with any degree of pride.

Proclaim? Sorry, that's your department.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » July 26, 2006, 7:26 pm

Nick PWNED

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 26, 2006, 7:53 pm

PWNED, if you're a fucking moron.

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