Then make up your damn mind.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Diving is part of the game. I don't care for it myself, but that is the game as it stands. Every day brings two great games. Tomorrow will be fucking great. I can't wait to watch Brazil and Spain win!
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??Boogahz wrote:Then make up your damn mind.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Diving is part of the game. I don't care for it myself, but that is the game as it stands. Every day brings two great games. Tomorrow will be fucking great. I can't wait to watch Brazil and Spain win!
I accept the way the game is currently played, but wish for that to change in the future. I have my mind made up

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Yea it didn't hit his face, hence the yellow card and not red.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes, except he has holding his face. Approximately 8 inches above where the elbow grazed him. It was as ridiculous as 90% of the flopping shit these guys do.
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Oh yeah?!?!? Well.... harumpf.miir wrote:Yea it didn't hit his face, hence the yellow card and not red.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes, except he has holding his face. Approximately 8 inches above where the elbow grazed him. It was as ridiculous as 90% of the flopping shit these guys do.
My assertion is that if the sport wasn't infested with flopping, then there never would have been a card.
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The point is that it was a foul and the appropriate penalty was assessed.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Oh yeah?!?!? Well.... harumpf.miir wrote:Yea it didn't hit his face, hence the yellow card and not red.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes, except he has holding his face. Approximately 8 inches above where the elbow grazed him. It was as ridiculous as 90% of the flopping shit these guys do.
My assertion is that if the sport wasn't infested with flopping, then there never would have been a card.
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And my point is I disagree. If he didnt flop there wouldnt have been a call. He didnt get hit with any force at all and it wouldnt have drawn any attention.miir wrote:The point is that it was a foul and the appropriate penalty was assessed.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Oh yeah?!?!? Well.... harumpf.miir wrote:Yea it didn't hit his face, hence the yellow card and not red.Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Yes, except he has holding his face. Approximately 8 inches above where the elbow grazed him. It was as ridiculous as 90% of the flopping shit these guys do.
My assertion is that if the sport wasn't infested with flopping, then there never would have been a card.
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The referee made the appropriate call.
The replays clearly showed the Puyol forcibly driving his shoulder and elbow into the Henry's torso, preventing him from reaching the ball and with enough force to knock him to the ground.
I agree that the "holding the face" part was overly dramatic and Henry could have just as easily been given a yellow card, but the French would still have been awarded a free kick.
The bottom line is the call did not influence the outcome of the game.
You cannot run a block like that in football.
Neither player had even touched the ball.
It's a foul.
Puyol even apologized to Henry after he knocked him to the ground... he didn't even argue the yellow card.
It seems to me that if the ref and the penalised player both agree that it's a foul.... then um... what exactly is your point?
The replays clearly showed the Puyol forcibly driving his shoulder and elbow into the Henry's torso, preventing him from reaching the ball and with enough force to knock him to the ground.
I agree that the "holding the face" part was overly dramatic and Henry could have just as easily been given a yellow card, but the French would still have been awarded a free kick.
The bottom line is the call did not influence the outcome of the game.
You cannot run a block like that in football.
Neither player had even touched the ball.
It's a foul.
Puyol even apologized to Henry after he knocked him to the ground... he didn't even argue the yellow card.
It seems to me that if the ref and the penalised player both agree that it's a foul.... then um... what exactly is your point?
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The case of Spain-France is right in my opinion, the yellow was a good call.
But during this World cup some referees are really worst than others. I m not saying they all are acting weird but there is a differnce on match quality that is linked to the ref.
Ivanov (sp?) the one during portugal - netherland and swiss-italy should stop drinkin his vodka gallon before each of his match. And there is a lot of mistakes too.
What you guys thing about using video, when the case is dubious (like did the ball get in the goal or not? )
Im quiete against it, as the ref is a really important part of the game but sometimes jeeeeez, it gives me goosebumps seeing their decision (im not saying i could do better, i know the action is fast, etc.) but for the sake of the game, you should be able to substitue the ref at the half time
But during this World cup some referees are really worst than others. I m not saying they all are acting weird but there is a differnce on match quality that is linked to the ref.
Ivanov (sp?) the one during portugal - netherland and swiss-italy should stop drinkin his vodka gallon before each of his match. And there is a lot of mistakes too.
What you guys thing about using video, when the case is dubious (like did the ball get in the goal or not? )
Im quiete against it, as the ref is a really important part of the game but sometimes jeeeeez, it gives me goosebumps seeing their decision (im not saying i could do better, i know the action is fast, etc.) but for the sake of the game, you should be able to substitue the ref at the half time

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puyol was tripped, if your tripped your allowed to accidentally hit that person in the face as far as im concerned, and puyol did argue for a while with the ref, the old cranky racist spanish coach also looked pissed offmiir wrote:The referee made the appropriate call.
The replays clearly showed the Puyol forcibly driving his shoulder and elbow into the Henry's torso, preventing him from reaching the ball and with enough force to knock him to the ground.
I agree that the "holding the face" part was overly dramatic and Henry could have just as easily been given a yellow card, but the French would still have been awarded a free kick.
The bottom line is the call did not influence the outcome of the game.
You cannot run a block like that in football.
Neither player had even touched the ball.
It's a foul.
Puyol even apologized to Henry after he knocked him to the ground... he didn't even argue the yellow card.
It seems to me that if the ref and the penalised player both agree that it's a foul.... then um... what exactly is your point?

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video is a MUST as far as im concerned, the game should continue but in the case of dubious calls that can decide the outcome of a game (near the goal) a video ref should be able to overrule the field oneXorian wrote:The case of Spain-France is right in my opinion, the yellow was a good call.
But during this World cup some referees are really worst than others. I m not saying they all are acting weird but there is a differnce on match quality that is linked to the ref.
Ivanov (sp?) the one during portugal - netherland and swiss-italy should stop drinkin his vodka gallon before each of his match. And there is a lot of mistakes too.
What you guys thing about using video, when the case is dubious (like did the ball get in the goal or not? )
Im quiete against it, as the ref is a really important part of the game but sometimes jeeeeez, it gives me goosebumps seeing their decision (im not saying i could do better, i know the action is fast, etc.) but for the sake of the game, you should be able to substitue the ref at the half time
when at LEAST 5 or 6 games each world cup have the outcome changed due to a shitty ref, a huge problem exsists,a nd spain got fucked not one year (okay this year france did play a little better, but still!), but two years in a row!
any of you catch the spain korea game 4 years ago in the quarter finals? the dumbshit ref called 2 clearly BS offsides calls that cost spain 2 GOALS!
although morentes literally drilling the ref in the face after the game was over was priceless
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I dont know if im right but im not sure that they are passing the replays of fouls or dubious decision on wide-screen in the stadium.
I agree, disrupting the flow of the game would be hard but still when the field ref, the 2 assits can't see the ball is in, there is a problem ( im not for FRance i don't like em, but for the game...)
I agree, disrupting the flow of the game would be hard but still when the field ref, the 2 assits can't see the ball is in, there is a problem ( im not for FRance i don't like em, but for the game...)
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On the subject of the officiating:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... 19&cc=5901
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... 19&cc=5901
FIFA gives two refs 'red cards' for officiating gaffes
BERLIN (AP) -- Senior English and Russian referees were cut from the World Cup roster Wednesday after their controversial handling of previous matches.
Premier League referee Graham Poll, who issued three yellow cards to one player in a match, and Valentin Ivanov, who handed out a record number of cautions and ejections in the Portugal-Netherlands second-round match, were omitted from officials selected for the quarterfinals, semifinals and final.
FIFA's referees commission released a list of 12 teams of officials Wednesday shortly after FIFA president Sepp Blatter made more critical comments about the standard of officiating at the tournament.
"In the same way that our members send their best teams, FIFA owes it to itself, in its own flagship competition, to send out the best referees," Blatter said on FIFA's Web site http://www.fifa.com. "Hundreds of millions of players and referees around the world are watching what happens in Germany, with the desire to improve themselves and understand how the game is changing.
"Instead, I've noted that instructions aren't being followed consistently from one match to another. There are the tackles from behind I've seen go unpunished and the violent conduct that has escaped sanction, not to mention the serious errors made in applying the rules." German referee Markus Merk, criticized for being too whistle happy in a first-round match between defending champion Brazil and Australia, was one of six European referees retained.
Luis Medina, who awarded a debatable penalty kick to Italy in the last seconds of its 1-0 second-round match against Australia, also made the list and will officiate Brazil's quarterfinal against France.
Other Europeans selected included Michel Lubos of Slovakia, Roberto Rosetti of Italy, Frank de Bleeckere of Belgium, and Massimo Busacca of Switzerland.
Horacio Elizondo, the Argentine referee who handled the tournament's opening match between Germany and Costa Rica, was among six non-Europeans selected and will continue his tournament with England's quarterfinal against Portugal in Gelsenkirchen.
The others were Toru Kamikawa of Japan, Benito Archundia of Mexico, Jorge Larrionda of Uruguay, Mark Shield of Australia and Coffi Codjia, a tax inspector from Benin in Africa.
Despite his experience, Poll was considered likely to go after his blunder that could have forced a replay of the first-round match between Croatia and Australia. He gave three yellow cards to a Croatia defender; a second caution should immediately be followed by a red card.
The game ended 2-2, enough for Australia to make the second round. If Australia had lost, it could have protested the result based on Poll's error.
Ivanov set World Cup records when he issued 16 cautions and four red cards in Portugal's 1-0 win over the Nettherlands. That promoted a stinging rebuke from Blatter, who told a television interview that Ivanov should have given himself a yellow card.
in this utopic setting, the game would continue...if it was a clearly wrong call on a game changing incident, then the flow would be interuppted in favor of a fair callKelshara wrote:Pass on instant replay, it would ruin the flow of the game.
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IF we did change all this the game would turn rubbish
From a English standpoint where a good percentage of us live, breathe and dream the game of football the whole sitting in a pub and talking aout what just happened is great! but if we kept interrupting it for "a perfect game" then it would make it a farce, there would be nothing to talk about, nothing to comment on and games would take a hell of a lot longer when people argue "so is that a red or a yellow" or "well is he offside or not" or even "well did it completely cross the line?"
Football is fine as it is, Referees bow hot and cold just like players do, so let them have a bad game, there human, when can all of you say you never had a bad day at the office? it's the same for them it's just shown around the world so the pressure is greater.
One incorrect call for one team is cancelled out by another against that team, it's all fair in the end.
From a English standpoint where a good percentage of us live, breathe and dream the game of football the whole sitting in a pub and talking aout what just happened is great! but if we kept interrupting it for "a perfect game" then it would make it a farce, there would be nothing to talk about, nothing to comment on and games would take a hell of a lot longer when people argue "so is that a red or a yellow" or "well is he offside or not" or even "well did it completely cross the line?"
Football is fine as it is, Referees bow hot and cold just like players do, so let them have a bad game, there human, when can all of you say you never had a bad day at the office? it's the same for them it's just shown around the world so the pressure is greater.
One incorrect call for one team is cancelled out by another against that team, it's all fair in the end.
Y'see I think that's bollocks. The game is being ruined by diving, shirt pulling, feigning injury, and some of the refereeing in the world cup has been a travesty.Linaminu wrote:IF we did change all this the game would turn rubbish
From a English standpoint where a good percentage of us live, breathe and dream the game of football the whole sitting in a pub and talking aout what just happened is great! but if we kept interrupting it for "a perfect game" then it would make it a farce, there would be nothing to talk about, nothing to comment on and games would take a hell of a lot longer when people argue "so is that a red or a yellow" or "well is he offside or not" or even "well did it completely cross the line?"
Football is fine as it is, Referees bow hot and cold just like players do, so let them have a bad game, there human, when can all of you say you never had a bad day at the office? it's the same for them it's just shown around the world so the pressure is greater.
One incorrect call for one team is cancelled out by another against that team, it's all fair in the end.
That said nobody is advocating stopping the action every 30 seconds. But for several actions that are difficult for humans to judge it would be very handy. There's too much riding on big football matches these days for it to be left to 3 men who may not have been paying attention.
I read a great article about it the other day and they pointed out that the threat of instant replay is almost as good as it's implementation. Who is going to dive when in 10 seconds the referee could be told by instant replay officials and hand out an instant red card? It's a great deterrent.
Several other sports use instant replay decision making and they haven't been destroyed. I enjoy the few seconds of tension while we await the decision. It all adds to the fun.
I agree the referee is a part of the match making good decision or not, i was more thinking at video help in the "goal-or-not" issue, if the ball get in or not !
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What about adding a referee or 2? Hockey has done this both in professional and international events because the conditioning of the athletes and the technological improvements in equipment meant that the officials were finding it increasingly difficult to keep the pace. I'm not a die hard soccer fan (I usually watch only occasionally) so I don't really know how effective a solution this would be... but as a hockey fan I can tell you honestly that if you don't address shit like this (as the NHL refused to address interference and stick fouls) that the fans WILL get fed up and turn some place else: the passion WILL cool or get diverted.vn_Tanc wrote:Y'see I think that's bollocks. The game is being ruined by diving, shirt pulling, feigning injury, and some of the refereeing in the world cup has been a travesty.Linaminu wrote:IF we did change all this the game would turn rubbish
From a English standpoint where a good percentage of us live, breathe and dream the game of football the whole sitting in a pub and talking aout what just happened is great! but if we kept interrupting it for "a perfect game" then it would make it a farce, there would be nothing to talk about, nothing to comment on and games would take a hell of a lot longer when people argue "so is that a red or a yellow" or "well is he offside or not" or even "well did it completely cross the line?"
Football is fine as it is, Referees bow hot and cold just like players do, so let them have a bad game, there human, when can all of you say you never had a bad day at the office? it's the same for them it's just shown around the world so the pressure is greater.
One incorrect call for one team is cancelled out by another against that team, it's all fair in the end.
That said nobody is advocating stopping the action every 30 seconds. But for several actions that are difficult for humans to judge it would be very handy. There's too much riding on big football matches these days for it to be left to 3 men who may not have been paying attention.
I read a great article about it the other day and they pointed out that the threat of instant replay is almost as good as it's implementation. Who is going to dive when in 10 seconds the referee could be told by instant replay officials and hand out an instant red card? It's a great deterrent.
Several other sports use instant replay decision making and they haven't been destroyed. I enjoy the few seconds of tension while we await the decision. It all adds to the fun.
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Aye was a good game, sorry for Ukraine, they deserved to score one. I was afraid about how Italy would play but i was surprised, it was a nice game from them. They didnt dive too much, they keep playing even when they were at 2-0 and no too much drama.
Anyone saw what happenned at the end of germany argentinia? Suddenly it wa a sort of fight between Argentinia players and guys from germany team, but the camera zoomed out pretty quick.
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Anyone saw what happenned at the end of germany argentinia? Suddenly it wa a sort of fight between Argentinia players and guys from germany team, but the camera zoomed out pretty quick.
I think that by that, Mid is refering to the Argentinia second goal VS Mexico, when Maxi Rodriguez, received a long cross ball, made it rebound on the chest and before the ball hits the ground he turn and volleys it in the goal. In my opinion it is the most beautifull goal for the moment.wtf is a chester to a jumping shot?
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I didn't see it live, but I heard it was sparked by a German player being stepped on after the PK's. The "bowling" celebration made me chuckle even though the announcers were mentioning that it was not funny. I really like seeing an entire team participate in the celebration.Anyone saw what happenned at the end of germany argentinia? Suddenly it wa a sort of fight between Argentinia players and guys from germany team, but the camera zoomed out pretty quick.
I think that by that, Mid is refering to the Argentinia second goal VS Mexico, when Maxi Rodriguez, received a long cross ball, made it rebound on the chest and before the ball hits the ground he turn and volleys it in the goal. In my opinion it is the most beautifull goal for the moment.wtf is a chester to a jumping shot?
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If that's the goal he was referring to...what was the "jumping shot" part of the goal?
..and yes, that was a pretty sweet goal.
i didnt see that, what kind of celebration was it?The "bowling" celebration
Im not claiming to understand everything mid is saying ! It seems i read somewhere he tought that goal was the most beautifull one so i thought he was refering to this one !If that's the goal he was referring to...what was the "jumping shot" part of the goal?

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The bowling celebration was the whole team lined up and one of the guys "threw" a "bowling ball" and they all fell down. Then he came sliding in on the grass himself heh. I don't see anything wrong with it. In fact I find it refreshing to see German players so excited. Too often they have been cold and machinelike. I am actually starting to like this German team and the way they play.
The fight was ugly.. there was a kung fu style kick.. a player made a running dive into a punch.. several other threw punches.. pretty nasty.
The fight was ugly.. there was a kung fu style kick.. a player made a running dive into a punch.. several other threw punches.. pretty nasty.
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Yeah, I have been happy in the pants watching them play. I liked the methodical game they played before because it was good and sound, but I really enjoy watching them in this World Cup. They appear to be having fun rather than just playing their old-style of game. Klinsmann mentioned that he was going to change things, and I think he has brought a new life to the team by doing that.
Yeah Cristiano Ronaldo has been an ass, he came and urged the ref to give a card to Rooney. Rooney maybe shouldnt have pushed him a bit, but the red card was way to harsh as it is impossible to know if he stepped on the portugese player on purpose.
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Portugese team are a bunch of dirty cheating wankers. Some of them should be banned from the game. They ruin the sport. Just like the diving and the debatable refereeing.
This referee (England v Portugal) is a fucking criminal. He need's a bullet inbetween the eyes.
Frank Lampard is a soulless overpaid hack who can't play at the level required by his team. Sven Goran Eriksson moulds his teams into dull lifeless morons left with nothing to aim for because his managing doesn't make any reasonable football sense.
Rooney deserved the red for the stamp, even though he got sent for the push, nevertheless, I would have done the same in his position, and I probably would have punched Ronaldo's cocky little pretty boy face into the fucking ground before I left the pitch.
Bullshit result nonetheless, England need to grow some balls when it comes to penalties. They get paid enough.
This referee (England v Portugal) is a fucking criminal. He need's a bullet inbetween the eyes.
Frank Lampard is a soulless overpaid hack who can't play at the level required by his team. Sven Goran Eriksson moulds his teams into dull lifeless morons left with nothing to aim for because his managing doesn't make any reasonable football sense.
Rooney deserved the red for the stamp, even though he got sent for the push, nevertheless, I would have done the same in his position, and I probably would have punched Ronaldo's cocky little pretty boy face into the fucking ground before I left the pitch.
Bullshit result nonetheless, England need to grow some balls when it comes to penalties. They get paid enough.
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