So when you all going to leave the kiddie game?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 21, 2006, 8:51 am

Okay this has gone on long enough, many of you are good gamers with decent skills, why do you persist in playing this crappy dumbed down RPG?

Don't tell me blah, blah or blah, WoW is the AOL of RPG's and it just does not make sense. I am seriously not trying to troll, I just do not get the lack of challenge that this game provides.

If you can provide me insight into what makes the easiest (okay other than Kingdom of Hearts but only 5 year olds play that) game interesting, PLEASE. Maybe I am missing something.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 21, 2006, 9:02 am

Shut up you fucking tard.

WoW is the best MMO ever. It's the most fun as well as the best produced. They refined the game by removing boring crap, not bloating and slowing it even further like certain other titles.

And for the love of god do NOT try to pretend EQ2 is any more challenging just because it lacks the amount of solo content in WoW. Yes you can solo to 60 in WoW fairly trivially. It's a decent 1-player game in that respect. But if you want to take on the group or raid content it's just as challenging as EQ2. Personally I love to group but quite often have to duo with my wife. Duoing past L20 in EQ2 was like pulling teeth, both times we played, so its nice to have the option if necessary.

Calling WoW dumbed-down and easy is about the most assinine crap you've ever posted. Which is going some. FFXI did it first, WoW improved on it: Remove the tedium and chores and leave the fun in place.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » June 21, 2006, 9:15 am

EQ was (is?) better than both of them when it comes to depth of gameplay... but WoW is a lot more fun than EQ2, and that's without having raided on WoW yet.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 21, 2006, 9:21 am

WoW is the first game in this genre where I can login with only 30 minutes available to me and still get shit accomplished. WoW is the first game that takes into account that people grow up and get new responsibilities (job, family, home ownership) and can't live that die hard raiding lifestyle that they enjoyed during college. Bottom line is that the game still entertains me and for that reason alone I will keep playing it.

I have never played EQ2 so I can't comment on that other than to say I can't afford two monthly payements for games. Playing these games can be time consuming and I feel that you can't serve two masters in that regard. So I picked one and stuck with it. I think I made the correct choice.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » June 21, 2006, 9:23 am

Trek · Post by **Trek** » June 21, 2006, 10:21 am

he said video games are challenging

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » June 21, 2006, 10:33 am

To each his own really. If you have the time to donate to a game like EQ, then you're going to get a better game for you in the end - more rewarding for sure. If you don't, and can only play WoW due to the fact that you can solo and accomplish stuff in an hour, then you're going to get a less fulfilling game, but one that is far more geared towards you. I think anyone that has played EQ enough and then gone to WoW will admit that at some point they've felt something 'missing' from the gameplay - and perhaps they don't notice it now that they've been breastfed for a year and a half from Blizzard's teet.

You take the good with the bad I suppose. I have to agree that EQ back in the day totally knocked the socks off of anything WoW can provide.

I hate how some people view WoW as this amazing godsend. Fact is that as time goes by, online gaming was bound to get this popular at some point. We've gotten to the point where people aren't really embarassed to say they play an MMO anymore, and I guarantee if the original EQ was released today, it would get a hell of a lot more players than it did back in '99. WoW is a good game, but damn, it's overrated.

P.S. vn_Tanc, whatever the hell is stuck up your ass - I'd recommend surgery to get it out. Fanboi (giggle).

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » June 21, 2006, 11:07 am

Like others have said, some people actually have grown up a bit and have gained more and more responsibilities. Back in '99 I was single, living on my own and able to play a mmo 25-30 hours a week. I get 3-5 hours now a week. The questing in interesting, the the classes are all pretty interesting, and the world in pretty intriguing to look at. I couldn't play any other mmo to be honest.

I also happen to really enjoy the game. I really think that if I had 25-30 hours a week available, I'd still be playing wow.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 21, 2006, 11:37 am

Mr Bacon wrote: P.S. vn_Tanc, whatever the hell is stuck up your ass - I'd recommend surgery to get it out. Fanboi (giggle).

Hey, you can fuck yourself as well.
When some tit comes here trolling about "kiddie" games and dumbed-down this and that, they're going to get an earful. That's what trolls want anyway.

You seem to be a fucking retard as well, of course. If EQ was released now it would die on its arse. 99% of the people here, who have such fond memories, wouldn't last 4 weeks if they went back now. We loved it. For most of us it was our first MMO. But almost nobody would put up with the shit EQ made you deal with any more.

Go on, call me a fanboi again. You're guaranteed to completely undermine all of my opinions with that single blow. . .

miir · Post by **miir** » June 21, 2006, 12:02 pm

Duoing past L20 in EQ2 was like pulling teeth

ROFL.... I was playing my gimp ranger last week with another guy from my guild. I went from 5% into level 30 to 45% into 31 in a little over an hour.

25 minutes to solo my brig from 20 to 21 last night.

Pulling teeth indeed!

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » June 21, 2006, 12:14 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:
Mr Bacon wrote: P.S. vn_Tanc, whatever the hell is stuck up your ass - I'd recommend surgery to get it out. Fanboi (giggle).
You seem to be a fucking retard as well, of course. If EQ was released now it would die on its arse. 99% of the people here, who have such fond memories, wouldn't last 4 weeks if they went back now. We loved it. For most of us it was our first MMO. But almost nobody would put up with the shit EQ made you deal with any more.

Is that why so many people are playing their progression server? I mean hell, people played all through their beta and are more than willing to level up all over again when it releases in a week (or so).

Fanboi.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 21, 2006, 12:23 pm

f EQ was released now it would die on its arse. 99% of the people here, who have such fond memories, wouldn't last 4 weeks if they went back now. We loved it. For most of us it was our first MMO. But almost nobody would put up with the shit EQ made you deal with any more.

A lot of the shit that people complained about in EQ are pretty much the same in WoW and to a certain extent EQ2. It's the nature of this type of game.

WoW has cockblocks and mindnumbing timesinks, shitty servers, they break more shit than they fix on patch days.... all the same shit over again.

The fondest memories I have of EQ were meeting new people (because I was forced to group), the danger of exploring new areas and the rush of beating others to contested content.

Other than instances, people rarely group in WoW, there is no danger in exploration and there is virtually no contested content.

I had fun playing WoW but I really have no fond memories that would make me want to start playing it again.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 21, 2006, 12:56 pm

ToonTown rocks the socks off of everything out there except the original EQ*.

*And Second Life!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » June 21, 2006, 1:49 pm

miir wrote: A lot of the shit that people complained about in EQ are pretty much the same in WoW and to a certain extent EQ2. It's the nature of this type of game.

Sure. But EQ was much much more hardcore than anything current and that's not a good thing. Corpse loss. Night blindness. You were Erudite, you remember Toxx as a newbie zone? Christ. And that's without mentioning the quest engine.

WoW has cockblocks and mindnumbing timesinks, shitty servers, they break more shit than they fix on patch days.... all the same shit over again.

Other than the AQ war effort (which is retarded - IMO just wait for it to auto-open), there's very little. You can faction grind for recipes if you want to but that's about as masochistic as it gets. There are a few shitty US servers, I hear, but the vast majority have few to zero problems. Their patches are generally good too. You're really overselling these as issues. But then people did the same back in EQ days too

The fondest memories I have of EQ were meeting new people (because I was forced to group), the danger of exploring new areas and the rush of beating others to contested content.

I agree more non-instanced content would be good. The danger and thrill of exploring is just as good in WoW as it was back then, providing you avoid spoilers. Just like it was back in the EQ days. And that thrill is only really available for release week of any new content.

Other than instances, people rarely group in WoW, there is no danger in exploration and there is virtually no contested content.

You might be right but I have a regular group that I've played with in every game since EQ. I group in WoW and it's great fun. But it's nice that it isn't a requirement for decent progress, too. Saying there's no danger in exploration is just flat wrong.

I had fun playing WoW but I really have no fond memories that would make me want to start playing it again.

Whereas I quit for 6 months and couldn't wait to get back. Two servers (1 PvP, 1 PvE), 2x L60s and a third char currently L58, and I still look forward to logging on.
I enjoyed EQ2 for 41 levels at launch before trying WoW. I even tried it again not long ago. Everything was just so. . .slow. And slow does not equate to "more challenging". I felt there was pretty much the same proportion of "grinding" (a type of play i consciously avoid) in both games. It just takes. . .longer. . .in EQ2. And the payoffs are not equivalently "better" for the longer time investment, IMO.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » June 21, 2006, 1:56 pm

I've seen and killed every mob in wow, noobie and endgame, been doing server firsts, raiding, grinding, factioning and all that crap and I just quit because it got boring as fucking hell.

I occasionally log in to do little things like that film, or say hello, but for the most part it's a massive waste of life giving that amount of time to a computer game, whether it be EQ, EQ2 or WOW.

Wow is easily my favourite compared to the other games mentioned here, in every possible way that could be mentioned.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 21, 2006, 2:37 pm

Sweet once Tanc drank his morning coffee I actually got the answers I wanted.

I played WOW for a month, and it never surprised me. I never went "WTF WAS THAT?" I never died before realizing the name of the train that hit me, I never had that OMG feeling I got when I was first in Lguk pulling at level 28 freaking out because I would be doing a CR from Freeport if I made one wrong move. I never died and thought, Oh hell, I could do this like.. and figured out an angle, everything was either easy, normal or deadly.

I started playing EQ2 and I got that, but I just never got WOW.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 21, 2006, 2:48 pm

Saying there's no danger in exploration is just flat wrong

There's no death penalty so the risk is non existant.
No risk, no danger.

You can faction grind for recipes if you want to but that's about as masochistic as it gets.

Grinding mobs for drops for tradeskills.
Grinding gold to buy your epic mount.
AA grinding was nothing compared ot faction grinding in WoW. At least you got to hang out with friends in groups with people who actually knew how to chat.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » June 21, 2006, 4:53 pm

Such a selective load of crap, you can do all the things you wanna do in EQ in WOW, it just doesn't take a million times longer.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 21, 2006, 4:54 pm

Kylere wrote:Okay this has gone on long enough, many of you are good gamers with decent skills, why do you persist in playing this crappy dumbed down RPG?

Don't tell me blah, blah or blah, WoW is the AOL of RPG's and it just does not make sense. I am seriously not trying to troll, I just do not get the lack of challenge that this game provides.

If you can provide me insight into what makes the easiest (okay other than Kingdom of Hearts but only 5 year olds play that) game interesting, PLEASE. Maybe I am missing something.

You do realize how awful you were at EQ, don't you? I mean, where is this crappy pseudo-arrogance coming from?

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » June 21, 2006, 5:00 pm

miir wrote:
Saying there's no danger in exploration is just flat wrong
There's no death penalty so the risk is non existant.
No risk, no danger.

You can faction grind for recipes if you want to but that's about as masochistic as it gets.
Grinding mobs for drops for tradeskills.
Grinding gold to buy your epic mount.
AA grinding was nothing compared ot faction grinding in WoW. At least you got to hang out with friends in groups with people who actually knew how to chat.

While I will agree that the lack of a penalty for dying really makes things risk-free and makes death more of an annoyance than anything, but Grinding can be found in all the games. There really is no way to avoid the grinding.
In one regard I think grinding is a major pain in the ass but then on the other side of it I want that to be an insane process so that not everyone has that Exaulted status. I want that to be considered an acheivement. I'd rather have more quests to acheive the faction than pure grinding though.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » June 21, 2006, 5:05 pm

I never went "WTF WAS THAT?" I never died before realizing the name of the train that hit me, I never had that OMG feeling I got when I was first in Lguk pulling at level 28 freaking out because I would be doing a CR from Freeport if I made one wrong move. I never died and thought, Oh hell, I could do this like.. and figured out an angle, everything was either easy, normal or deadly.

he was skilled because after he was done being confused, frightened, nervous, and killed a lot while playing video games... he "figured out angles"

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 21, 2006, 5:15 pm

If the expansion is just more mangina and 40 man raid content, then I will quit WoW forever.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » June 21, 2006, 5:21 pm

masteen wrote:If the expansion is just more mangina and 40 man raid content, then I will quit WoW forever.

Quoted for later reference.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 21, 2006, 5:23 pm

Mr Bacon wrote:
masteen wrote:If the expansion is just more mangina and 40 man raid content, then I will quit WoW forever.
Quoted for later reference.

Nested, for her pleasure.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » June 21, 2006, 5:24 pm

masteen wrote:
Mr Bacon wrote:
masteen wrote:If the expansion is just more mangina and 40 man raid content, then I will quit WoW forever.
Quoted for later reference.
Nested, for her pleasure.

hot.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » June 21, 2006, 5:44 pm

Im playing for the story ive followed from Warcraft 2...

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 21, 2006, 7:56 pm

Cotto wrote:Im playing for the story ive followed from Warcraft 2...

...and you're not bothered by the butchering of said story to accomodate expansion design decisions???

WoW is a decent game if you have the time to sacrifice grinding faction to do anything or farming mobs for the upkeep for raiding.

You also havta really love the mentality of the more ubergear you get, the more gold it costs you in upkeep, hence the more you havta farm.

I tried WoW for a month after a 6 month break and found that I didn't miss it a bit.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » June 22, 2006, 2:36 pm

Animalor wrote:
Cotto wrote:Im playing for the story ive followed from Warcraft 2...
...and you're not bothered by the butchering of said story to accomodate expansion design decisions???

WoW is a decent game if you have the time to sacrifice grinding faction to do anything or farming mobs for the upkeep for raiding.

You also havta really love the mentality of the more ubergear you get, the more gold it costs you in upkeep, hence the more you havta farm.

I tried WoW for a month after a 6 month break and found that I didn't miss it a bit.

-rocks back and forth-

blizzard are not wrong, draenei makes perfect sense, blizzard are not wrong, draenei makes perfect sense.

No matter how much you say it, it will never be. Yes im annoyed they changed it, but god dammit, i need to know what happens with Arthas, Illidan (is he dead) and everything, ill suffer as much as I god damn have to. I NEED CLOSURE!

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » June 22, 2006, 3:07 pm

Illidan is not dead. He is merely asleep, to be awoken only by the Sceptre of Ideal Market Timing!

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » June 22, 2006, 3:11 pm

Enter Chen McCocaCola his arch nemisis of the Panderan Cola empire!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 22, 2006, 3:25 pm

Cotto wrote:-rocks back and forth-

blizzard are not wrong, draenei makes perfect sense, blizzard are not wrong, draenei makes perfect sense.

No matter how much you say it, it will never be. Yes im annoyed they changed it, but god dammit, i need to know what happens with Arthas, Illidan (is he dead) and everything, ill suffer as much as I god damn have to. I NEED CLOSURE!

They've already said that Illidan will be in the Black Citadel in Outlands, so, that's a pretty large check in the "not dead" collumn. The butchering of the lore to add in Draenei was bad, but even worse was Metzen's explanation that he simply forgot the whole Sargeras being corrupted by the Eredar storyline that he wrote --- WHOOPS! Ya right. And not one employee there remembered it either I suppose? Once again, ya right.

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » June 22, 2006, 3:43 pm

The bastardisation of everything i loved, i can...somewhat, deal with. I just really fuckin hope they can hold tight to the rest of the story, ie lich king, kel thuzad and what not, dont let them be killable bosses.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 22, 2006, 3:46 pm

Cotto wrote:The bastardisation of everything i loved, i can...somewhat, deal with. I just really fuckin hope they can hold tight to the rest of the story, ie lich king, kel thuzad and what not, dont let them be killable bosses.

I'd be seriously surprised if Kel'Thuzad wasn't killable in the necropolis.. but of course they won't stay dead!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 22, 2006, 3:52 pm

I hope they make a Warcraft 4 that will ignore everything they're doing with WoW.

=/

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 22, 2006, 4:10 pm

They need to make an EQ/WoW crossover game so EQ can kick Wow's zerg ass! There's no way WoW Panzies would get through High Hold Pass.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » June 22, 2006, 4:22 pm

Winnow wrote:They need to make an EQ/WoW crossover game so EQ can kick Wow's zerg ass! There's no way WoW Panzies would get through High Hold Pass.

You underestimate the power of the dreaded paladin zerg!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » June 22, 2006, 8:08 pm

I can't believe people are actually discussing World of Warcraft "Lore"

Planetside has a more compex and cohesive storyline.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » June 22, 2006, 8:16 pm

Maybe because they enjoy doing so?

It's probably not as compex though i'll give you that.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 26, 2006, 10:27 pm

Winnow wrote:They need to make an EQ/WoW crossover game so EQ can kick Wow's zerg ass! There's no way WoW Panzies would get through High Hold Pass.

ehh i got a eq2 char to 50 with great gear when the game 1st came out, got bored, and to no real futher depth quit

wow is no less challenging then EQ2 if you play it right, and a well built world and battleground pvp system expand the depth of the game

personally i would rather be working to out PVP the rest of my server for a grand marshal title then sitting on tedious 60 man 4 hour raids

the character creation and class system is a bit better on EQ2, but what pisses me off about that series is "epic" armor looks exactlly like lvl 30 armor but with a different color, in WOW almost every peice of armor has a unique grafic

miir · Post by **miir** » June 26, 2006, 10:56 pm

Xzion wrote:
Winnow wrote:They need to make an EQ/WoW crossover game so EQ can kick Wow's zerg ass! There's no way WoW Panzies would get through High Hold Pass.
ehh i got a eq2 char to 50 with great gear when the game 1st came out, got bored, and to no real futher depth quit

wow is no less challenging then EQ2 if you play it right, and a well built world and battleground pvp system expand the depth of the game

personally i would rather be working to out PVP the rest of my server for a grand marshal title then sitting on tedious 60 man 4 hour raids

the character creation and class system is a bit better on EQ2, but what pisses me off about that series is "epic" armor looks exactlly like lvl 30 armor but with a different color, in WOW almost every peice of armor has a unique grafic

And you havent played in like a year?

There's been a lot of changes in EQ2 since you left. Remeber their devs don't work at the glacial speed of WoW devs.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » June 26, 2006, 11:51 pm

miir wrote:
Xzion wrote:
Winnow wrote:They need to make an EQ/WoW crossover game so EQ can kick Wow's zerg ass! There's no way WoW Panzies would get through High Hold Pass.
ehh i got a eq2 char to 50 with great gear when the game 1st came out, got bored, and to no real futher depth quit

wow is no less challenging then EQ2 if you play it right, and a well built world and battleground pvp system expand the depth of the game

personally i would rather be working to out PVP the rest of my server for a grand marshal title then sitting on tedious 60 man 4 hour raids

the character creation and class system is a bit better on EQ2, but what pisses me off about that series is "epic" armor looks exactlly like lvl 30 armor but with a different color, in WOW almost every peice of armor has a unique grafic
And you havent played in like a year?

There's been a lot of changes in EQ2 since you left. Remeber their devs don't work at the glacial speed of WoW devs.

HARHAR and the original poster player WoW for 30 days...There have been changes to both games. One is for some people, and one is for other people.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » June 26, 2006, 11:55 pm

I'm sure the Burning Crusade will be an enjoyable expansion with some good stuff for players of all type to experience. I'll probably re-activate my account for it so I can play it from the comfort of my own hover car while soaring through the utopian sky-cities of tomorrow.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 27, 2006, 1:32 am

Animalor wrote:I hope they make a Warcraft 4 that will ignore everything they're doing with WoW.

=/

fuck that, when the hell is starcraft 2 coming out?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 27, 2006, 4:10 am

I'd like to shove a PS3 with an iPod shoved up it's ass, up Blizzard's ass.

I'd like that.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » June 27, 2006, 3:43 pm

Ipods, PS3's and wow rock infinitely more than that crap fanboy stuff you jizz over Winnow

laneela · Post by **laneela** » June 28, 2006, 8:34 am

Nick wrote:Ipods, PS3's and wow rock infinitely more than that crap fanboy stuff you jizz over Winnow

But it's sooooooo cool to rag on other people's preference of electronic equipment and personal taste in gaming.

I myself own a Nokia cellphone and I think everyone who uses a Motorola is simply a fucking tool. You have so many more options with a Nokia phone and it's way more common so you can borrow people's chargers way easier when you run out of batteries. HELLO MOTO MY ASS YOU SIMPLETON!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 28, 2006, 2:45 pm

laneela wrote:
Nick wrote:Ipods, PS3's and wow rock infinitely more than that crap fanboy stuff you jizz over Winnow
But it's sooooooo cool to rag on other people's preference of electronic equipment and personal taste in gaming.

I myself own a Nokia cellphone and I think everyone who uses a Motorola is simply a fucking tool. You have so many more options with a Nokia phone and it's way more common so you can borrow people's chargers way easier when you run out of batteries. HELLO MOTO MY ASS YOU SIMPLETON!

I've got my eye on you! Keep this up and you might get an invite into the seekrit club! Nice MOTO rip!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 28, 2006, 3:08 pm

laneela wrote: I myself own a Nokia cellphone and I think everyone who uses a Motorola is simply a fucking tool. You have so many more options with a Nokia phone and it's way more common so you can borrow people's chargers way easier when you run out of batteries. HELLO MOTO MY ASS YOU SIMPLETON!

I got much love for my company provided Razr!
(Then again, I only got a Razr cause our COO denied the IT staff Blackberries =/)

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » June 28, 2006, 3:32 pm

I have a RAZR but i gotta say I'm really disappointed with it. Sometimes I'm using it and it just starts working too well. So I have to drop it or step on it but of course that doesnt do anything

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » June 29, 2006, 4:49 pm

lg > all other phones

VeeshanVault

So when you all going to leave the kiddie game?

So when you all going to leave the kiddie game?

Re: So when you all going to leave the kiddie game?