Superman Returns

Trias · Post by **Trias** » June 18, 2006, 1:16 am

just picked up 4 ticks for 11pm showing on the 28th at 3D IMAX on Broadway, NYC.

i'm really looking forward to this, especially after seeing the crazy sonic boom thing that happens when supes broke the sound barrier while flying in the trailer.

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » June 18, 2006, 5:08 am

Yeah that looked freaking cool. I however am going to wait a week.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 29, 2006, 12:05 am

Saw it tonight, it was, well okay. Not great, but okay, I could easily comic book guy it, but hell it is more date movie than graphic novel.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » June 29, 2006, 2:11 am

I give it an A (but not an A+ or A++)

Hoarmurath · Post by **Hoarmurath** » June 29, 2006, 9:19 am

Sirensa wrote:I give it an A (but not an A+ or A++)

Movies need 'EBay' ratings:

A+++++++ GREAT MOVIE WOULD SEE AGAIN

Note that I have not yet seen this movie, but I should be seeing it sometime later today.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » June 29, 2006, 11:00 am

It was so - so. I wouldnt see it in a theater again, but I will probably buy it on DVD just to watch it and see if it gets better with age

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 29, 2006, 11:22 pm

I took my mom and my 3 year old today to see it and we all enjoyed it a great deal. Joseph got a little bored from time to time after the first hour and a half but would perk back up after the more serious stuff.

Personally I thought the plot was good, the acting was good, not great necessarly but good. The more serious scenes I felt were much better than Spiderman and 10,000% better than Star Wars... not that you could get much worse than RotS.

Hackman always played Lex way too comedic for my tastes but Spacey comes across as one evil bastard IMHO. Even more twisted than the Clancey voiced Lex in the Animated Series / Justice League. Parker Posey was well... Parker Posey.

The guy who played Cyclops was... gee playing Cyclops without the shades again however I thought he did a much better job than in the XMen movies...

I'll probably go see it with my wife in the next couple of week and since I have 2 boys... we will definitely buy it on DVD.

My suggestion is that it's definitely a movie to see at the Theater. We were in a Digital Screen and the sound and picture were great. To get the full effect and the believeability you need to see it on the big screen. A few parts had me thinking I would see the replays on CNN tonight...

If I was ranking Superhero movies I would say it's in the top 4 of all time with Batman Begins, Spiderman and the first X-Men movie. I believed he could fly

Marb

Trias · Post by **Trias** » June 30, 2006, 1:18 am

i'm torn between this movie and the spidey movies as my favorites.

had a ton of fun at IMAX with the crazy mindbendingly huge screen with off the wall 3D glasses action.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 30, 2006, 9:15 am

[Show]: You know, I was talking with some friends last night, anyone else think the beatdown with the shanking was a little over the top, I mean I get it, Lex is EVIL. He was gonna kill billions, watching the prison on the plateau scene did not reenforce that, and besides which, how come it was bad enough Kyptonite wise that Supes could not shrug off a few punks, but he could lift millions of tons and fly it into space in the same type of area, AFTER having the shit kicked out of him and being shanked with a piece of kryptonite still in his back.

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » June 30, 2006, 11:59 am

i like comic book movies, and superman just didn't deliver for me. i thought it was well directed and pretty, but a little lacking. the script changed hands so many times... i thought that overall singer did an excellent job with a project that looked like it might not make it, just wasn't something i'd want to see again.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » June 30, 2006, 12:03 pm

The movie was lacking on the plot side. I thought the special affects are great. Its a movie you should see in theaters, but don't expect a batman begins type of remake.

On a side note, how cool was the spidey 3 trailer?!?!?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 30, 2006, 12:37 pm

Sumdaor wrote:The movie was lacking on the plot side. I thought the special affects are great. Its a movie you should see in theaters, but don't expect a batman begins type of remake.

On a side note, how cool was the spidey 3 trailer?!?!?

Not that impressive, the movie is not going to be released for TWELVE MORE MONTHS. Plus they kept that nasty bitch instead of getting a hot redhead to play to the part of mary jane still.

Post by **Sylvus** » June 30, 2006, 1:06 pm

Yeah, Kirsten Dunst is pretty nasty...

Deward · Post by **Deward** » June 30, 2006, 1:56 pm

I really enjoyed the first part of the movie. When Superman did his first rescue and the old music was blaring it really brought me back to Superman I. The original Superman was the first movie I saw at the theatre with my dad. I actually felt a bit choked up. THen the movie started to drag. Don't get me wrong the action was great and I enjoyed it but they could have cut 45 minutes fairly easily.

Anyoen else think Kate Bosworth was not the right actor for Lois Lane? I just don't think she portrayed the character well. She doesn't have the talent to play this role. She seemed wooden to me at times and was just parroting lines it seemed. Her facial expressions just weren't very good.

Lex Luthor was not portrayed that well. I love Kevin Spacey and I think he did a good job in the role he was given but the Lex I know is not that blood thirsty. In the comics I read, he really wants to rule the world not destroy it. His female sidekick was pretty funny at times. At least he wasn't as bad as Gene Hackman though.

Brandon Routh grew on me as the movie progressed. I pictured him as kind of wooden at first but after I a while I realized that he really did portray the role of superman as I have come to expect. In previous movies and the comics, I never really saw Superman as a really emotional person. Sure he would have some extreme scenes now and then but overall he was very level in a very paternal sort of manner. Routh portrayed that very well I though.

Overall I liked the movie beyond its length (I think I damaged a kidney from holding my bladder too long) and would recommend it to anyone. I will rent it but not see it again in the theatre.

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » June 30, 2006, 3:59 pm

Deward wrote:Anyoen else think Kate Bosworth was not the right actor for Lois Lane? I just don't think she portrayed the character well. She doesn't have the talent to play this role. She seemed wooden to me at times and was just parroting lines it seemed. Her facial expressions just weren't very good.

i thought she was horribly miscast. i think at one point they were considering mischa barton for the role. i kept thinking 'so that's what it would look like if jessica simpson mated with julia stiles.'

Post by **Sylvus** » June 30, 2006, 4:09 pm

Syenye wrote:i kept thinking 'so that's what it would look like if jessica simpson mated with julia stiles.'

I thought I was the only one who thought about that.

mmm... what? oh, sorry

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 30, 2006, 4:18 pm

Sylvus wrote:Yeah, Kirsten Dunst is pretty nasty...

No she is okay, but she is no Mary Jane. MJ is supposed to be supermodel hot, Dunst is girl next door hot, but not the "Go get 'em Tiger" Mary Jane as the character is portrayed in the comics.

Picturing Kirsten Dunst as being anything other than average plus, is just as silly as calling Coulter hot.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 30, 2006, 4:21 pm

Posey might have been a better Lois, but oh well, that is yet another reason the movie is okay but not great heh

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 30, 2006, 4:31 pm

Tank Girl both as Superman and Lois Lane in a sort of Austin Powers dual role would have given it an interesting twist.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » June 30, 2006, 5:06 pm

[Show]: I'm not sure what to think of this movie... The plot is so fucking out there and unbelievable. Superman left earth 5 years ago to see if Krypton still existed, and it actually took him 5 years to come back? Clark Kent went on a 'vacation' for 5 years at the SAME TIME, comes back the SAME DAY that superman returns, and NO ONE thinks twice about this? Please.

This movie cost a fortune to make and I'm sure they'll make it back and more, but if I wasn't comfortably nestled up with a girl during this movie I would've been quite bored. B-

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 30, 2006, 5:58 pm

[Show]: Yea Fash I thought about that but you know he is 1 person out of millions. How many people came back to work on that same day? However 5 years is a long time but all of the identy thing is a joke... like no one would ever recognize him with those glasses on... gah.

Marb

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 30, 2006, 7:43 pm

I saw the movie and although I liked it overall, a lot of details nagged at me and prevented it from being an excellent movie.

Routh played a much better Clark than he did Superman. Bosworth was so-so. The kid that played Jimmy Olsen was fantastic, as was Kevin Spacey.

Worth seeing in theather although I'm not sure if I'll be picking up the DVD.

[Show]: Why the fuck did they have to make lois' kid Superman Jr. That single revelation really messed up the movie for me. This seemed like a lame way to get even more emotions out of the characters. Leaving him James Marsden's kid or even out of the movie altogether would've been better imo.

Also, is it me or would Supes not normally go out and essentially stalk Lois and break into little kids rooms like that. Played out kinda creepy.

Also, some of the CG was kinda bad. Felt like I was looking at a floating action figure at some points.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » June 30, 2006, 7:52 pm

[Show]: Yeah it was nice of supes to violate everything he has ever stood for in terms of abuse of powers, he had all the personal restraint of a drunken redneck at a nascar race.

And is it just me, or did I NOT hear about offering to at least pay child support, 5 years without a check makes him look more like Andre Rison.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » June 30, 2006, 9:08 pm

[Show]: I guess you guys didn't see Superman II or at least you don't remember it. In that movie Lois and Superman get married and he gives up his powers... then General ZOD attacks and he has to get them back. That is how Lex knew where Superman's hideout was. If we are going to bring the old movies into account for that aspect then we can do it for the other as well. At the end of that one Supes erases Lois' memory and she doesn't remember them getting married etc... or the sex I guess (heh maybe it wasn't that great) but I guess he couldn't erase the kid growing in her womb

Make sense now?

Marb

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » July 1, 2006, 10:01 am

[Show]: There is still the fact of how would James Mardsen's character thinks its his kid unless she was fucking him too! The entire plot was horribly weak, there are so many holes in it. This movie was not up to pair with most of singer's previous work: untouchables, xmen 1-2. Its an ok movie, but its nothing great.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 1, 2006, 11:17 am

Marbus wrote:
[Show]
I guess you guys didn't see Superman II or at least you don't remember it. In that movie Lois and Superman get married and he gives up his powers... then General ZOD attacks and he has to get them back. That is how Lex knew where Superman's hideout was. If we are going to bring the old movies into account for that aspect then we can do it for the other as well. At the end of that one Supes erases Lois' memory and she doesn't remember them getting married etc... or the sex I guess (heh maybe it wasn't that great) but I guess he couldn't erase the kid growing in her womb

[Show]: That's all well and good however, this all happened in Superman 2 and I don't dispute that. I haven't seen 3 and 4 recently however I remember enough to know that the events in those movies took more than a few weeks to happen, during which, Lois would've known she was preggers and would've started showing. Not only that, I'm sure James Marsden's character woud've probably picked up about 6 months into the relationship when Lois gave birth that the kid wasn't his.

I'm pretty sure that Supes wasn't fucking Lois on the side during Superman 4.

Who knows, maybe Lois has the slowest uterus on the planet. What are the odds that the only woman on the planet with a 3 year gestation period hook up with an alien superhero?

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Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 1, 2006, 11:39 am

Kylere wrote: Not that impressive, the movie is not going to be released for TWELVE MORE MONTHS. Plus they kept that nasty bitch instead of getting a hot redhead to play to the part of mary jane still.

wow....just wow...

Not hot enough for you Kylere? I know you're quite the Brad Pittalike and all but come on ffs

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » July 1, 2006, 11:57 am

Nick wrote:
Kylere wrote: Not that impressive, the movie is not going to be released for TWELVE MORE MONTHS. Plus they kept that nasty bitch instead of getting a hot redhead to play to the part of mary jane still.
wow....just wow...

Not hot enough for you Kylere? I know you're quite the Brad Pittalike and all but come on ffs

Some people are huge fans of the crackwhore diet. I'm happy they kept Dunst personally.

Latest casualty of this diet?

Jessica Alba

Nick · Post by **Nick** » July 1, 2006, 11:59 am

arrgh jessica why

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 1, 2006, 1:45 pm

LOL retouch!

Trek · Post by **Trek** » July 1, 2006, 5:47 pm

Dunst looks ok in that pic, but I dont find her that attractive either.

Clatis · Post by **Clatis** » July 1, 2006, 11:47 pm

the movie was ok at best. I think what the fact he's too damn good causes the movie to not live up to its potential. Plus, i understood the fact he could lift heavy shit the first 5 times he did it. damn 4/10

Trias · Post by **Trias** » July 2, 2006, 3:48 am

i'd pee in her butt.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 2, 2006, 2:16 pm

Clatis wrote:the movie was ok at best. I think what the fact he's too damn good causes the movie to not live up to its potential. Plus, i understood the fact he could lift heavy shit the first 5 times he did it. damn 4/10

Would you mind translating that into English?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 2, 2006, 3:16 pm

All I came up with in translation is:

kinoiy it was located in o'keye of the case. I think fact it the just causes vloek also it must kinoiy its not observe by potential. Positive value, I understood fact it heavy, was which shit I could raise first time 5 it it cursed 4/10

May as well just be BORKBORKBORKBORKBORK 4/10 though...

As far as Dunst...I think she is pretty hot. So judgemental, people.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 2, 2006, 4:16 pm

Dunst looks fine when her eyes don't look like she's been on a 5 day cocaine bender.

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » July 2, 2006, 10:30 pm

Dunst is alright, she's just not alright for that role.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 3, 2006, 6:28 am

What's wrong with Kirsten Dunst? Seems ok to me. Her playing the role of Mary Jane never had a negative impact on my enjoyment of the Spiderman movies.

This is Mary Jane though. Kirstin did a fine job.

Not really NWS but just in case:

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Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » July 3, 2006, 10:31 am

That some kind of eating disorder porn?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 3, 2006, 3:11 pm

my god that is disgusting

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » July 3, 2006, 3:40 pm

dunst is nasty. she reminds me of a sick cat

toby sucks as spider-man too, actually. the movies could have been a lot better if they casted actors there

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Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 3, 2006, 5:16 pm

[Show]: Like some others, I was kind of bothered by the whole love triangle thing. There's not really any sensible explanation for what's going on. If Lois was fucking Superman and Richard at the same time, then she should at least be aware of the possibility that it's Superman's kid, and that kind of throws the moral goodness of the characters to the wind. If Lois stopped fucking Superman and then started fucking Richard and he didn't realize that the kid wasn't his when it popped out less than 9 months after they first had sex, then he's the dumbest fucking person on the planet, which doesn't fit in with his character in the movie. I guess the other option is that Superman has some sort of alien super-sperm, which take a few extra months to implant or something, but that's the sort of big-deal plot point that probably should have been addressed in the film.

I was also bothered by the fact that no one could figure out that Clark Kent = Superman. I mean, I guess that's supposed to be the comic-book suspension of disbelief, but jesus christ. They disappear at the same time, come back at the same time, look the exact same, Lois notes that they're the same size, and she sees them both up close and personal within 5 minutes of one another and still can't figure it out. Come on now.

Also bothered by Superman's ability to pick up that whole fucking continent and fling it into space given all the Kryptonite and whatnot. Also, if he was far enough out that he could just let the continent go and watch it drift off, he would not have fallen back to earth, he would have floated around in space himself. Some physics, people!

I never read Superman comics or saw the original Superman movies, so I'm just approaching this one as a blank slate, and that probably means I miss some things that others enjoy. For instance, I thought that the Superman music was lame as shit. The scenes of Superman doing something heroic would have been twice as cool if they had some decent music there instead of that dated 70's stuff. I'm sure, however, that anyone who saw the original movies back in the day will hear that music and think 'omg, Superman,' and get a nice emotional reaction, so they didn't really have the option to change it. Still, it didn't do anything for me.

I'm a big Kevin Spacey fan, so I enjoyed him as Lex, although I can't tell you whether he's at all true to the character or not. I would have liked a real supervillain character in there somewhere, so Superman would have something to do with his powers other than fly chicks around and pick up heavy shit.

All things considered, though, it was a decent comic book movie. I wouldn't include it on the list of comic book movies that I thought were actually good (which is pretty much Batman Begins, Sin City, and X2), but it's not as bad as shit like Punisher. I'm not pissed about having spent my time watching it, at least.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 3, 2006, 5:35 pm

There were shots in this movie which took advantage of some studying the actors must have used and/or some good camera work. I could have sworn I was looking at (or hearing) the original characters at times. I loved Kevin Spacey as Lex. The character may have been more extreme than in the comics, but there were still justifications for most of his actions.

Waran · Post by **Waran** » July 3, 2006, 6:13 pm

Brodie:It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle the sperm? I guarantee you he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back. What about her womb? Do you think it's strong enough to carry her child?

T.S. Quint: Sure, why not?

Brodie: He's an alien, for Christ sake. His Kyrptonian biological makeup is enhanced by earth's yellow sun. If Lois gets a tan the kid could kick right through her stomach. Only someone like Wonder Woman has a strong enough uterus to carry his kid. The only way he could bang regular chicks is with a kryptonite condom. That would kill him.

Ahh I love that quote, it immediately sprung into my head when the reveal happened on Lois' kid.

Anyway, went to see Superman in IMAX and had the misfortune to arrive late and watch the movie from the very first row. Was able to see everything and enjoyed it fairly well though.

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » July 3, 2006, 10:39 pm

She's a popular model in the comics. Dunst isn't model material - at least above the neck. Course I haven't read spidey since high school so I don't have a current MJ frame of reference. If that picture you posted is one, it makes me sad.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 4, 2006, 1:25 am

Waran wrote:
Brodie:It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle the sperm? I guarantee you he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back. What about her womb? Do you think it's strong enough to carry her child?

T.S. Quint: Sure, why not?

Brodie: He's an alien, for Christ sake. His Kyrptonian biological makeup is enhanced by earth's yellow sun. If Lois gets a tan the kid could kick right through her stomach. Only someone like Wonder Woman has a strong enough uterus to carry his kid. The only way he could bang regular chicks is with a kryptonite condom. That would kill him.
Ahh I love that quote, it immediately sprung into my head when the reveal happened on Lois' kid.

Anyway, went to see Superman in IMAX and had the misfortune to arrive late and watch the movie from the very first row. Was able to see everything and enjoyed it fairly well though.

Umm google "man of steel, woman of kleenex" Kevin Smith was leeching off a much better writer, and I like Kevin Smith.

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » July 5, 2006, 12:59 pm

the whole clark kent takes off his glasses and suddenly OMG SUPERMAN thing annoys me too... lois is supposed to be a smrt journalist. even fucking ace ventura was able to put two and two together to figure out his case. i guess it's part of the original superman franchise, but it just doesn't do it for me. personal preference i guess.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » July 5, 2006, 2:22 pm

I personally find Kirsten Dunst hot as hell. I think she was great for the role of Mary Jane. She was a way better MJ than Kate Bosworth was a Lois Lane.

I thought the whole kid aspect of the movie was pretty stupid as well not to mention that Superman wouldn't just disapear for five years without telling the woman he is madly in love with.

I would like to see the Death of Superman made into a movie or maybe some other evil bad guy like Spiderman does.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 5, 2006, 5:25 pm

Oh yeah the Death of Superman graphic novelk as a movie would rock. I am not sure how they could cover the gamut between fight, death, steel, superboy, the construct etc without gimping it painfully in a movie format though.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 6, 2006, 7:49 am

Kylere wrote: Umm google "man of steel, woman of kleenex" Kevin Smith was leeching off a much better writer, and I like Kevin Smith.

"Superman couldn't fuck Lois" has been around as long as Lois has, so unless you want to highlight where Smith plagarised entire sections of dialogue, he's not "leeching off" anyone, in fact it was probably a pubescent original thought of his own as a kid.

Just because Niven published the concept before Smith doesn't mean anything, there's been larger works created closer together with greater similarity that didn't involve plagarism, perhaps you could look up some history regarding Calculus, Newton, and Leibniz for example.

And since I'm writing, I'll also give your opinion of Dunst all the attention it deserves.