McCain continues to lose respect of moderate lefts

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 2, 2006, 8:12 pm

Potential presidential candidate John McCain says he no longer considers evangelist Jerry Falwell to be one of the "agents of intolerance" that he criticized during a previous White House run.

The Republican senator from Arizona will be the commencement speaker in May at Liberty University, the Lynchburg, Va., institution that Falwell founded in 1971.

"We agreed to disagree on certain issues, and we agreed to move forward," McCain said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

In 2000, as he sought the Republican nomination that eventually went to George W. Bush, McCain said: "Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right."

On Sunday, McCain said that Christian conservatives have a major role to play in the Republican Party, but added, "I don't have to agree with everything they stand for."

I guess he decided he wasn't above pandering to them after all. Just a slip down another notch of credibility for McCain. Oh well, vive les partisans!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » April 2, 2006, 8:15 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:
Potential presidential candidate John McCain says he longer considers evangelist Jerry Falwell to be one of the "agents of intolerance" that he criticized during a previous White House run.

I am assuming that the word "no" goes in that first sentence somewhere...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 2, 2006, 8:15 pm

Boogahz wrote:I am assuming that the word "no" goes in that first sentence somewhere...

Blame Yahoo! printable view, not me! I'll fix it for them, they better pay me for my editing job!

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » April 2, 2006, 9:11 pm

I think a more fair title would be "McCain trying to position himself to win the primaries."

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » April 2, 2006, 10:21 pm

I think you are right Sueven, at least he said he disagreed with them which is much more than any other Republican is doing.

Marb

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 2, 2006, 11:26 pm

Yeah its disappointing, but i can't say it would rule him out as somebody i would vote for.

But watch the GOP nominate some absolutely vanilla schmuck like DOCTOR Bill Frist. I hope he will give me a free medical diagnosis over the television like he did to Terry Schiavo.

And they'll do it by race-baiting ignorant poor rural whites all over again about McCain's 'black' son.

Rock on W

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » April 3, 2006, 1:54 am

Damn Vor don't point that shit out to me...

I know it's true but...

Personally I think Dr. Bill Frist is going to proverbally shoot himself in the foot in the next month due to this immigration bill... at least I can hope for that

I don't see any good Dems at the moment so I have to hope and pray for a moderate Republican to vote for in 08.

Marb

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 3, 2006, 12:42 pm

Sueven wrote:I think a more fair title would be "McCain trying to position himself to win the primaries."

Of course it's what he's doing, and it's the fact he's selling himself out like that which is what's causing the loss of respect. He made his first bid staying relatively true to himself, and yes, lost because he didn't fall in line like a good cronie to the party. So he's whoring himself out. Go go him

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » April 3, 2006, 12:56 pm

Sounds like hes going to whore out to win the primaries (what every candidate does) and then after he's in the lead for repubs, go back to normal too late for the republicans can do anything about it. I always thought Mccain had the right idea but couldnt play politics very well. Maybe hes changing that.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 3, 2006, 3:17 pm

he already sold out his dignity in the last election.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 3, 2006, 5:07 pm

Who cares what he says. Do whatever it takes to get into office. If you have to suck up to the fundies, so be it. You can't do anything until you get elected. After that, you can blow them off. He's got to win his own party's nomination. If he manages that, whatever democrat he goes up against will be a breeze.

Liberals that understand that will still vote for him in the end.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » April 3, 2006, 5:26 pm

Everything is a game... especially politics, if you are playing to win, you may have to make some consessions along to way. The test comes once you are elected and what you actually do once in office.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 3, 2006, 6:04 pm

Liberals that understand what? McCain is already a fiscal conservative. Now he is selling out the social conservative cavemen like Pat fucking Robertson. What do they need to understand about electing another neocon sellout who's platforms and policies are solely written by ultra conservative christian fundamentalists, chickenhawk muslim haters and pro israeli whack jobs, white trash queer hating xenophobes and Halliburton?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » April 3, 2006, 6:56 pm

I don't really care if McCain pays the fundies lip-service. Bush is to all outward appearances the kind of man that really is driven by his invisible pal, JC, and yet he's actually done sweet fuck all for their agenda.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » April 3, 2006, 7:34 pm

Zaelath wrote:I don't really care if McCain pays the fundies lip-service. Bush is to all outward appearances the kind of man that really is driven by his invisible pal, JC, and yet he's actually done sweet fuck all for their agenda.

except that whole gay marriage thing.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » April 3, 2006, 7:47 pm

I would rather have McCain lie his way into office than to have any other republican or democrat win.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » April 3, 2006, 9:30 pm

All both of them said was that they have agreed to disagree on some matters. I would wager he would still say the quote about pandering to the far reaches of politics and I don't believe he has said anything to dispute it. Right now, he has my vote.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » April 3, 2006, 10:38 pm

Truant wrote:
Zaelath wrote:I don't really care if McCain pays the fundies lip-service. Bush is to all outward appearances the kind of man that really is driven by his invisible pal, JC, and yet he's actually done sweet fuck all for their agenda.
except that whole gay marriage thing.

Of course, even the gay people know that was a stupid cause (they SHOULD have been fighting for legal civil unions that give all the benefits of marriage, fighting about the "naming rights" for marriage was less than useless and cost them ground on the more important issues), so in reality he only pissed off a few militant gays, and got huge numbers in everything from the far right to the moderate left that supported the ban and/or didn't give a shit either way.

Now, about anything that would have real impact in an electoral sense? Not a sausage.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » April 4, 2006, 4:25 pm

McCain knows that he's not going to get the GOP nod without at least making peace with the fundies. It's the political reality that we live in.

As Dubya has shown, once you get in office, you can do whatever the fuck you want, and as long as the economy isn't completely in the shitter, you will be reelected.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » April 4, 2006, 4:28 pm

Hell even if the economy is in the shitter if you can play the fear card well enough...

Marb

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 4, 2006, 4:50 pm

Marbus wrote:Hell even if the economy is in the shitter if you can play the fear card well enough...

Marb

The fear card is a great combo to play with the god fearing religious types!

Gods and religious goofery is fun for games you play online but believing that shit IRL is whack yo! I can't blame politicians for taking advantage of the believers.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » April 4, 2006, 6:43 pm

Winnow wrote:
Marbus wrote:Hell even if the economy is in the shitter if you can play the fear card well enough...

Marb
The fear card is a great combo to play with the god fearing religious types!

Gods and religious goofery is fun for games you play online but believing that shit IRL is whack yo! I can't blame politicians for taking advantage of the believers.

You voted republican last time, was it for the tax cut?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » April 4, 2006, 7:56 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:
Marbus wrote:Hell even if the economy is in the shitter if you can play the fear card well enough...

Marb
The fear card is a great combo to play with the god fearing religious types!

Gods and religious goofery is fun for games you play online but believing that shit IRL is whack yo! I can't blame politicians for taking advantage of the believers.
You voted republican last time, was it for the tax cut?

jfc don't get him started. Winnow is a simple creature. He picks a topic of the month, and he's completely anti that item/person. During the election, he happened to be anti Kerry, and posted every negative pixel ever put on the internet that was anti Kerry.

Just like Apple and Ipod. Just like sony and ps3. Just like nvidia back when he was ATI.

It was the crusade of the month.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 4, 2006, 9:49 pm

Mr Miyagi says, "Focus Power".

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