US Troops fire warning shots at Cdn Diplomatic convoy

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 1, 2006, 7:50 am

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/ ... ml?ref=rss

I wonder how (or even if) Bush and Harper are going to address this if there wasn't any injuries.

I can understand why the car was unmarked, being that this would be just like painting a bullseye in themselves. I also sympathize with the US's position where suicide bombers could be coming at em at any time but there was to be a better way that allies can identify each other other that stopping to chat it up in the middle of a warzone.

Also, anyone have any numbers on how many suicide bomb attacks have happened in the Green Zone?(Just checked Google. Seems to happens regularly enough in or near the zone.)

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 1, 2006, 12:59 pm

I have never understood why we do not have IFF devices on vehicles. Freaking pilots get them, sop should drivers.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 1, 2006, 1:18 pm

I would imagine that it would be a bit harder to "hijack" a jet to steal and reverse engineer the IFF.

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » February 1, 2006, 1:39 pm

How about they obey the laws and quit trying to do their own thing. I would expect to get shot at, if I blew through that area ignoring commands to halt, as well.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 1, 2006, 1:42 pm

Uhhh, they were passing a US convoy, they weren't barreling past checkpoints.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 1, 2006, 1:46 pm

Last I heard, it wasn't a law that you have to stop when a US soldier tells you to in Iraq.

(It is a great way to get shot at though.)

This wasn't a checkpoint, just a (I assume slow moving) convoy.

The Article wrote: "The rear guard on a U.S. convoy signalled the vehicle to stay back," the statement said. "After it failed to do so and continued moving toward the convoy from behind, warning shots were aimed at the front of the vehicle, away from the passenger area."

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 1, 2006, 1:56 pm

Go back to sleep, everything is fine in Iraq omg you islamic militant

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 1, 2006, 2:18 pm

Boogahz, I agree on the hiojack issue, but to be honest they are a good deal more advanced and they can change the codes regularly enough that it would be better than nada. The only downside would be poorly trained troops relaxing when the IFF said it was good, and assuming that it always was friendlies.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 1, 2006, 2:21 pm

Animalor wrote:Last I heard, it wasn't a law that you have to stop when a US soldier tells you to in Iraq.

(It is a great way to get shot at though.)

This wasn't a checkpoint, just a (I assume slow moving) convoy.

The Article wrote: "The rear guard on a U.S. convoy signalled the vehicle to stay back," the statement said. "After it failed to do so and continued moving toward the convoy from behind, warning shots were aimed at the front of the vehicle, away from the passenger area."

A little common sense would be in order here. I'd do whatever the guys with the high tech weaponry pointed my direction wanted me to do if I was driving an unmarked vehicle in Iraq.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 1, 2006, 2:35 pm

Winnow wrote:
Animalor wrote:Last I heard, it wasn't a law that you have to stop when a US soldier tells you to in Iraq.

(It is a great way to get shot at though.)

This wasn't a checkpoint, just a (I assume slow moving) convoy.

The Article wrote: "The rear guard on a U.S. convoy signalled the vehicle to stay back," the statement said. "After it failed to do so and continued moving toward the convoy from behind, warning shots were aimed at the front of the vehicle, away from the passenger area."
A little common sense would be in order here. I'd do whatever the guys with the high tech weaponry pointed my direction wanted me to do if I was driving an unmarked vehicle in Iraq.

When slowing down would increase your likelyhood of getting carjacked/kidnapped by militants.

Seems like a lose/lose situation to me.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 1, 2006, 2:45 pm

So you think they were worried about carjackers in the middle of a US military convoy?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 1, 2006, 2:48 pm

Animalor wrote: When slowing down would increase your likelyhood of getting carjacked/kidnapped by militants.

Seems like a lose/lose situation to me.

If you're being told to slow down by U.S. troops, you're also within range of them, so the carjackers and kidnappers would be in range as well. With any luck, the U.S. troops would be transporting a crack Canadian assassin/sniper to their new killing spot so they could pick off the insurgents if they approached your vehicle.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 1, 2006, 2:48 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:So you think they were worried about carjackers in the middle of a US military convoy?

Clearly they should be; do I really have to dig up the "running down children is A-OK" thread?

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 1, 2006, 3:05 pm

Winnow wrote:
Animalor wrote: When slowing down would increase your likelyhood of getting carjacked/kidnapped by militants.

Seems like a lose/lose situation to me.
If you're being told to slow down by U.S. troops, you're also within range of them, so the carjackers and kidnappers would be in range as well. With any luck, the U.S. troops would be transporting a crack Canadian assassin/sniper to their new killing spot so they could pick off the insurgents if they approached your vehicle.

I'm not so sure the US convoy would've actually stopped to help guys in an unmarked car. Would've most likely brushed it off as an attempt to get to them and kept going on their merry way. I mean is they were willing to shoot at them in the first place...

This is a war zone after all.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 1, 2006, 3:08 pm

I thought the war was over?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 1, 2006, 3:11 pm

Mission Accomplished!

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » February 1, 2006, 3:30 pm

Nick wrote:I thought the war was over?

It has been for nearly three years FFS! We are just keeping the Canadian Insurgents in check damnit...no big deal!

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » February 1, 2006, 3:42 pm

Whatever the cargo in those trucks was gave them auth. to fire warning shots to people too stupid to back off when instructed to (American included). It does not matter if there was an active War or not. The same thing would have occured on US soil given the proper cargo.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 1, 2006, 5:19 pm

At the end of the day, there is a reason why America has the most friendly fire cases in Iraq.

Actually, there are lots of reasons, but I'm guessing you aren't going to appreciate hearing them.

Either way, we can just throw this incident (and thread) on top of the USA@selfowned pile.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 1, 2006, 5:29 pm

Isn't your country overdue for another beatdown by the English?

miir · Post by **miir** » February 1, 2006, 5:31 pm

Nick wrote:At the end of the day, there is a reason why America has the most friendly fire cases in Iraq.

Actually, there are lots of reasons, but I'm guessing you aren't going to appreciate hearing them.

Either way, we can just throw this incident (and thread) on top of the USA@selfowned pile.

Yep, it seems it's always the fault of the innocents who get fired at and or bombed and killed by US armed forces.

Some people just can't accept the possibility that their military is not infallable. The excuses are plentiful and always the same.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 1, 2006, 5:40 pm

miir wrote: Some people just can't accept the possibility that their military is not infallable. The excuses are plentiful and always the same.

Some people can't get over the fact that there are going to be mishaps in any operation. You only hear about the bad, no one cares about the normal day to day coordination that is required for a massive effort like this.

Are you going to whine about all the traffic accidents each day in your country? What a bunch of tools! Every driver on the road must suck in your country!

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » February 1, 2006, 5:50 pm

Winnow wrote:
miir wrote: Some people just can't accept the possibility that their military is not infallable. The excuses are plentiful and always the same.
Some people can't get over the fact that there are going to be mishaps in any operation. You only hear about the bad, no one cares about the normal day to day coordination that is required for a massive effort like this.

Yes there will be mishaps. The fact that accidents will happen does not remove the liability or responsibility for them.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » February 1, 2006, 5:52 pm

After what happened to the Italian diplomat, I think even our allies are wary of identifying themselves.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 1, 2006, 6:06 pm

Please feel free to go read a history book Winnow before pathetically attempting to flame about something that a. never happened and b. is of no concern to me one way or the other

in a desperate attempt to take the heat away from your countries latest and ever increasingly ridiculous foreign fuck ups.

Oh and if you could enlighten us to a positive story about the US led occupation that isn't instantly overshadowed in terms of it's irrelevance in comparison with the utter negative the entire venture has been I'm all ears.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 1, 2006, 6:51 pm

Earlier I had a thought, I would seriously think about this if I was a Canadian citizen, and select leaders that obviously think about it.

You know, being a border nation with the USSR was not a happy place even when it was Russia being ran by Tsars because it was large powerful and mean. The US is all that and meaner each year.

Kilrain · Post by **Kilrain** » February 1, 2006, 8:13 pm

We are just keeping the Canadian Insurgents in check damnit

LOL... seriously though, it was an accident. Could have been a serious accident, thankfully it wasn't. Shit happens... best to learn how to deal with it and figure out ways to reduce the risks. That's all you can do.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 1, 2006, 9:13 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/ ... ml?ref=rss

Conflicting stories now. Surprise Surprise. Here's the Canadian version as reported by the CBC.

The diplomat, who was not named, said no one in the Canadian vehicles remembered seeing anyone signalling to them. The first sign they had of a problem was when they heard a booming sound.

"They just remember kaboom! It happened," said Sorenson, who spoke to the diplomat by telephone from Ottawa.

The incident took place after the Canadians pulled out of the British compound in the Green Zone, a heavily fortified area in the centre of Baghdad where the Iraqi government office and the U.S. military's headquarters are located.

The diplomat said the Canadian vehicle – which had a Canadian flag symbol on its dash – waited for a U.S. convoy of five Humvees to pass. Then it followed at a safe distance at about 20 to 25 km/h for about five minutes. She said Canadian officials often share the road with U.S. military vehicles and saw nothing unusual about the situation.

Unlike the version offered by the U.S. military, the Canadian diplomat told CBC News that the American convoy had pulled entirely off the road and into a staging area behind a barrier.

"Again this kind of thing has happened all the time, according to this official, so the Canadian vehicle now carried on down the road after the convoy had pulled all the way over and off to the side," Sorensen said.

That's when they heard a loud noise as coarse dust flew up around their vehicle.

"Kaboom! They don't know what's happened. They feel they've been hit by a bomb," said Sorensen.

"The car comes to a stop. The driver puts his arm outside the car to signal that 'we're not part of whatever blast just happened, we're just stopped here for the moment.' They all ducked down."

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 1, 2006, 9:59 pm

Ok, so somehow the Americans launched something that was able to fly over the vehicle and hit in front of it? From the description, you would think one of the government's black helicopters dropped a rocket in front of it.

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » February 2, 2006, 12:32 am

Hey hey hey. Now. No picking on the Mics. You know, them Brits gave us a beatdown in 1812 too. But as it happenes, they still fuked off when we told em too. So we accepted about what, 15% of the Irish population? Hell, somone needed to grow our spuds.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 2, 2006, 7:15 am

Kylere wrote:I have never understood why we do not have IFF devices on vehicles. Freaking pilots get them, sop should drivers.

Actually, some military vehicles do have devices similar to, if not exactly the same. If the vehicle doesn;t have one, then there are certain things done to vehicles to help identify them as friendly.

Anyway...

If I was in a moving convoy and saw some unmarked vehicle following behind my convoy, I would be a bit suspicious too, especially if it came to close.

If the convoy was pulled over to the side, and a soldier signalled in some way for me to stop or move away... damn straight I would do so.

Unfortunate as this incident is (or fortunate since no one was injured), if that driver didn't pay attention and use some common sense, it is not the fault of the US Military.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 2, 2006, 11:53 am

If I was in a moving convoy and saw some unmarked vehicle following behind my convoy, I would be a bit suspicious too, especially if it came to close.

It was a marked vehicle and it had just pulled out of the british compound.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 2, 2006, 12:37 pm

miir wrote:
If I was in a moving convoy and saw some unmarked vehicle following behind my convoy, I would be a bit suspicious too, especially if it came to close.
It was a marked vehicle and it had just pulled out of the british compound.

"which had a Canadian flag symbol on its dash" ??? On its Dash?

I have a Pine Tree air fresh thinkamobooper on my dash.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 2, 2006, 12:38 pm

Cartalas wrote:
miir wrote:
If I was in a moving convoy and saw some unmarked vehicle following behind my convoy, I would be a bit suspicious too, especially if it came to close.
It was a marked vehicle and it had just pulled out of the british compound.
"which had a Canadian flag symbol on its dash" ??? On its Dash?

I have a Pine Tree air fresh thinkamobooper on my dash.

Are you from Lebanon?!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 2, 2006, 12:57 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
miir wrote:
If I was in a moving convoy and saw some unmarked vehicle following behind my convoy, I would be a bit suspicious too, especially if it came to close.
It was a marked vehicle and it had just pulled out of the british compound.
"which had a Canadian flag symbol on its dash" ??? On its Dash?

I have a Pine Tree air fresh thinkamobooper on my dash.
Are you from Lebanon?!

Nope just wondering how a Decal, flag or post it counts as a marking in a war torn area. Or maybe the reporter meant for it to be on the hood or grill.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 2, 2006, 1:46 pm

It was in the green zone, dorky.

A country of orgin marking on the dashboard is typical and acceptable vehicle identification when traveling through that area.

Vehicles are not required to fly a flag or to be painted a specific colour to identify their occupants orgin.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 2, 2006, 2:07 pm

miir wrote:It was in the green zone, dorky.

A country of orgin marking on the dashboard is typical and acceptable vehicle identification when traveling through that area.

Vehicles are not required to fly a flag or to be painted a specific colour to identify their occupants orgin.

Im not disputing where it was im just saying a marking on the dashboard to me is not real easy to spot.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 2, 2006, 2:13 pm

Cartalas wrote:Im not disputing where it was im just saying a marking on the dashboard to me is not real easy to spot.

It's easy enough to spot at a checkpoint.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » February 2, 2006, 2:22 pm

With the conflicting stories coming out now, I doubt we'll see much more than spin by the respective sides: the US saying "they didn't do what they were supposed to" and the Canadians sticking with "we followed the rules and they shot at us". Hopefully it will lead to awareness that will eliminate this kind of incident in the future but who knows.

Aneron · Post by **Aneron** » February 2, 2006, 5:11 pm

Boogahz wrote:I would imagine that it would be a bit harder to "hijack" a jet to steal and reverse engineer the IFF.

Even if they got their hands on and IFF device, the format on it gets changed manually everyday. Thus rendering it useless if they don't have the items to change it.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 2, 2006, 5:15 pm

miir wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Im not disputing where it was im just saying a marking on the dashboard to me is not real easy to spot.

It's easy enough to spot at a checkpoint.

OK ill Take your word for it.

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » February 3, 2006, 1:34 am

wtf them canadians doin in our 51st state anyways?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 3, 2006, 1:44 am

OMG LOL NOYSY SPUDS LOL

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 3, 2006, 10:52 am

Animalor wrote:
I wonder how (or even if) Bush and Harper are going to address this if there wasn't any injuries.

Yeah. Gee, I sure do wonder as well. Boy, I AM intrigued as to what his response will be. I AM sure it will really answer your concerns.

LOL. Fuck off! An accident happened. Why does he need to answer to you? Do you think maybe Canada might take this as an act fo war? ROFL

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 3, 2006, 11:01 am

Uhhh no? Maybe a better way to identify vehicles maybe? A solution?

miir · Post by **miir** » February 3, 2006, 11:40 am

Yeah. Gee, I sure do wonder as well. Boy, I AM intrigued as to what his response will be. I AM sure it will really answer your concerns.

What are yahweh trying to say... exactly?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 3, 2006, 11:51 am

miir wrote:
Yeah. Gee, I sure do wonder as well. Boy, I AM intrigued as to what his response will be. I AM sure it will really answer your concerns.
What are yahweh trying to say... exactly?

LOL!!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 3, 2006, 12:32 pm

miir wrote:
Yeah. Gee, I sure do wonder as well. Boy, I AM intrigued as to what his response will be. I AM sure it will really answer your concerns.
What are yahweh trying to say... exactly?

I AM sorry.

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