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And while we on the fairness of the Patriot Act, just found this article today. Not surprising, the government do spy on something they shouldnt.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12 ... 9lo650.htm
NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.
In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.
The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.
Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.
Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."

Funny to see that the student borrowed the book for a project in a class about fascism and totalitarianism. Guess in 10 years, that will be history books about the Bush regency they will be borrowing.
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Due to the nature of this whitehouse, I would guess that in order to "remove" Bush from office in an impeachment, Cheney would be removed first (such as Ford for Agnew during Nixon's Presidency). This would leave us with an appointed Presidency, something I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with. Of course, the alternative is leaving an emasculated Bush in office, which I'm also not so enamored with. Basically a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition I'm afraid.

The question in my mind is this... if this information had come out during the last Presidential run, would it have made a difference (not only on the Kerry vs. Bush, but also in the primaries of both parties - would Bush have gotten the Repub's nomination? would Kerry have won the Democrat nomination?) Just fun speculation I suppose, too bad we didn't know then what we know now, damn 20/20 hindsight.

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Now they just need to shut down Homeland Security and have the CIA/FBI/NSA talking to each other and sharing information and you're set.
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The U.S. should dismantle their military and disband the FBI, CIA and NSA.

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In all fairness, people getting an education WOULD be potential threats to the status quo. Especially the ones studying history.
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Niffoni wrote:In all fairness, people getting an education WOULD be potential threats to the status quo. Especially the ones studying history.
Along with most people with IQ's above room temperature...:)
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As a university library employee, this is very troubling and is the exact reason why I think the Patriot Act is flawed to say the least. As I said previously, given proper motivation, the government can find guilt in anyone if they look hard enough. It is entirely too much power to be given.
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