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http://www.smh.com.au/news/editorial/le ... 04756.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/syd ... 50547.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/mob ... ntentSwap1
Some of the text messages encouraged people to carry out vigilante style attacks, and some message had racial undertones.

One of the messages had urged "Aussies" to take revenge against "Lebs and wogs". Another urged locals to rally at points on the beach today to take retaliation against "Middle-Eastern" gangs.

As the crowd moved along the beach and foreshore area today, one man on the back of a ute began to shout "No more Lebs" - a chant picked up by the group around him.

Others in the crowd, carrying Australian flags and dressed in Australian shirts, yelled "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie ... Oi, Oi, Oi".

North Cronulla Beach, in Sydney's south, was the scene of two violent incidents last week - an attack on two lifesavers on Sunday and a brawl later in the week in which youths turned on a media crew.
Sickening =/
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Buncha bloody hoons...

"Australia for Australians!" oh wait we killed most of them...
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Very sad. Also very important.

Any Australians (or people with more knowledge of Australia than me) got an explanation for this? From my limited reading of news articles, it doesn't really seem like there was much provocation leading to these riots. It's not even like France, where a disadvantaged minority rioted. I've always been under the impression that white Australians were the majority in Australia, and also that insofar as there is an 'advantaged class,' that class is not at all exclusionary of white Australians.

So what is it about the demographics of Australia that would cause something like this to happen? As far as I know, Australia has not been targetted for terrorist attack and does not have a history of ethnic antagonism related to the middle east. I have only anecdotal information about racism in Australia. I have a few friends who spent some time in Australia, and they have told me that racism is more visible there than in the United States, but I didn't get the impression that it was really problematic. Also, most of the racism I heard described was targeting indigenous Australians, not immigrants.

So what's motivating these riots?
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Lifeguards tell a group of youths of 'Lebanese descent' to stop playing soccer.
The next week, some of those 'Lebs' get revenge and lay a beat down on a couple of lifeguards.
The next week, a bunch of liquored up 'surf gangs' stir up shit by causing these 'riots'.


I guess these types of 'native' aussies don't like having to share their beaches with 'outsiders'.
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I just watched about 100 jock Australian wankers kick the living fuck out of some lebanese woman.

I hope she didn't die.


GG retards.
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Sueven wrote:Very sad. Also very important.

Any Australians (or people with more knowledge of Australia than me) got an explanation for this? From my limited reading of news articles, it doesn't really seem like there was much provocation leading to these riots. It's not even like France, where a disadvantaged minority rioted. I've always been under the impression that white Australians were the majority in Australia, and also that insofar as there is an 'advantaged class,' that class is not at all exclusionary of white Australians.

So what is it about the demographics of Australia that would cause something like this to happen? As far as I know, Australia has not been targetted for terrorist attack and does not have a history of ethnic antagonism related to the middle east. I have only anecdotal information about racism in Australia. I have a few friends who spent some time in Australia, and they have told me that racism is more visible there than in the United States, but I didn't get the impression that it was really problematic. Also, most of the racism I heard described was targeting indigenous Australians, not immigrants.

So what's motivating these riots?
A couple of lebanese bashed a lifeguard on the local beach.

Several people killed in the Bali bombings were from this suburb.

Kids of middle-eastern descent decided it would be fun to drive around and break the windows/lights on every car they could find. (And now I'm hearing on the news the President of the Islamic Centre of Research saying they're pissed off that the kids were "made to lay down on the street like murderers" when they were arrested)

As far as racism being more visible and targetting Aborigines; your friends are full of shit or don't understand abos. Besides, there's not a significant enough number of them to get upset about. *shrug*

What you do find however is a lot of resentment about is the way certain cultures migrate to Australia, then take up residence in cliques, treat WASPs as foreign devils in the own country, etc, etc. eg, Melbourne has the third largest Greek population in the world (including Greece). Greeks don't want to bomb us, but they would tend to bash you if you were hitting on their sister.

In much the same way, the lebanese tend to cluster together, associate primarily within their own people and generally create an environment that breeds and reinforces racial tension.

All that said, most Australians pretty laid back and we accept the status quo, but you get enough young men and alcohol and an apparent cause to fight, all you need is some dickheads urging them on.
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miir wrote:Lifeguards tell a group of youths of 'Lebanese descent' to stop playing soccer.
The next week, some of those 'Lebs' get revenge and lay a beat down on a couple of lifeguards.
The next week, a bunch of liquored up 'surf gangs' stir up shit by causing these 'riots'.


I guess these types of 'native' aussies don't like having to share their beaches with 'outsiders'.
If a lifeguard had anything to do with a soccer match it would be because it was between the flags; they patrol about 100 metres of several kilometers of beach. If you think it's too much to ask not to play soccer on top of people watching their kids swim, piss off ;)
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*sets this one aside as ammo for next time Zaelath goes on a yankee bashing spree*
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He'd still win like a million on one.
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Nick wrote:He'd still win like a million on one.
Maybe in your rosie colored world, opps can I say colored on this board?
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Zaelath wrote: As the crowd moved along the beach and foreshore area today, one man on the back of a ute began to shout "No more Lebs" - a chant picked up by the group around him.
It's bad enough to have senseless violence...but did they have to ride on the backs of Native Americans??? Sheesh!
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Cartalas with a MAJOR zing there, I may be out of work irl for some time after that one.

Seriously though I just couldn't help myself. but the scenes of violence I saw on the news today really shocked me, people need to start getting a fucking grip on themselves. We are meant to be evolved.

Shit for you Zaelath to have to share such a beautiful country with such morons.
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Winnow wrote:*sets this one aside as ammo for next time Zaelath goes on a yankee bashing spree*
If our Prime Minister was leading the mob, and we relected him, you'd have a case :)
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Ooooo Touche'. :twisted:
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I am stunned Nick has not blamed America yet.

Sorry to see this stuff happening in supposedly first world countries around the world. This is assinine stuff.
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Zaelath wrote:
Winnow wrote:*sets this one aside as ammo for next time Zaelath goes on a yankee bashing spree*
If our Prime Minister was leading the mob, and we relected him, you'd have a case :)

If Kyoukan hated Australia as much as she did the US, she would dig up info somewhere that said he issued a memo for them to kick the shit out of the brownies.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
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Winnow wrote:*sets this one aside as ammo for next time Zaelath goes on a yankee bashing spree*
If our Prime Minister was leading the mob, and we relected him, you'd have a case :)

If Kyoukan hated Australia as much as she did the US, she would dig up info somewhere that said he issued a memo for them to kick the shit out of the brownies.
Well, he has a lot in common w/ Bush. For instance, his ability to deny reality:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/nat ... 63912.html
THE race riots will not affect Australia's international reputation, says the Prime Minister, John Howard.

"Every country has incidents that don't play well overseas," Mr Howard said yesterday before he left for the East Asia Summit.

"You have outbreaks of domestic discord, that happens to every country, and when it occurs there's publicity, but people make a judgment about this country over a longer term.

"They don't make judgments about Australia on incidents that occur over a period of a few days."
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Damn Zaelath, I know you are not going to give this any weight, but you are sounding like every racist I have ever heard speak.
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Kylere wrote:Damn Zaelath, I know you are not going to give this any weight, but you are sounding like every racist I have ever heard speak.
I'll bite; what? Are you talking about the clustering or the tendancy of a lot of migrants (even 2nd, 3rd generation migrants) to be racist against "anglos"?

Clustering you can find here: http://www.teachingheritage.nsw.edu.au/ ... thugo.html

That booklet is aimed at being anti-racist, and explaining why migrants tend to cluster together; even the English for example.

As to the rest, I've experienced it first hand. It's a culturally accepted 'norm' in film and literature that you could reference if you wanted, but in this case it's Art imitating Life. They're not making it up out of whole cloth to stir up racial trouble, asshat.

Now, does any of that condone wog bashing? Nope, never. But someone asked where this unrest came from, and I explained the thinking of some of the more ... simplistic individuals in this country.

If you want to correlate comprehension with absolution, that's your issue.
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As a caucasian, you cannot possibly understand a minority, you can assume, study, ponder, but never understand on a grok level.

The assumption you can is what is truly racist.
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Kylere wrote:As a caucasian, you cannot possibly understand a minority, you can assume, study, ponder, but never understand on a grok level.

The assumption you can is what is truly racist.
What a load of horseshit. I was minority enough in my youth (I'm Italian heritage) to understand just fine you self-righteous prick. I look a helluva lot more Italian than you look native too.
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lol

I think its grievous what both of you must have gone through. will you ever be able to forgive?
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kyoukan wrote:lol

I think its grievous what both of you must have gone through. will you ever be able to forgive?
There's always someone that's had it worse that you. I don't think "little white girl in the US that decided to marry a black man and live in Canada" makes the top 10 either.

My point was purely that I can have some empathy with people that are not welcome in the general population they are living in. That's it.

I'll leave the martyr-whoring to you and Kyle.
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I bet you have lots of aboriginal friends, right?
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Kylere wrote:I bet you have lots of aboriginal friends, right?
How is that relevant? Really, I'm curious. How does that in any way relate to riots targetting "wogs"?

However, to answer your question; not that I know of. Might have some on-line. Although, I'd call those aquaintances rather than friends.

I bet you have lots of Lebanese friends though, and can't turn around without falling over all your black, hispanic, and asian friends. You're Mr. Popu-fucking-larity, I'm sure.
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Australia is the new South Africa!
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How can we sleep while the beds are burning?
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Winnow wrote:Australia is the new South Africa!
I am curious though, how much shit do you have to take from a segment of the community before it's not racist to hate them?

http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/2005/ ... -5475.html
Bob Mudge writes:
I read the comments from some of your readers about the mob violence at Cronulla and it was the usual crap that I expect in Crikey with its hatred of John Howard and the attempts to make out this was John Howard's fault. Obviously none of the writers have teenage daughters or relatives who have been subjected to disgusting comments from these Muslim low life simply for going to the beach. Nor do they have young male relatives who, even if they are walking with girlfriends or sisters at the local beach have been surrounded by five or six of these clowns and the same comments made to the girls in front of the young men. “Aussie sl*ts” is one of the many terms that are used. Obviously these people don't consider themselves Australians. This doesn't just happen at Cronulla but also on the Central Coast at Terrigal and the Entrance beaches. What about the bashing of the lifesavers at Cronulla? Your readers probably think they deserved it too or have you just decided to forget about this? It's the whole Muslim culture. Muslim spokesman Keysar Trad said on his website some years ago: “The criminal dregs of white society colonised this country, and now, they only take the select choice of other societies, and the descendants of these criminal dregs tell us that they are better than us.” The same website referred to Australians as sewerage. How is that for racist and inflammatory? No folks, ordinary Australians have woken up to the great hoax which is multiculturalism, the white anteing of Australia from within by you people on the left.
Still doesn't excuse random violence, but as I said, I understand the motivation...
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All the anglos claim friends who are minorities.

It is their shield without being their creed.
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