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I've never heard of this until I read this article.

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TORONTO (Reuters) - The Canadian province of Ontario plans to review a court decision that acquitted a man of sexual assault charges because he suffers from "sexsomnia" and was asleep at the time of the incident.

The Office of the Attorney General, which oversees the province's prosecutions, said on Thursday it needs to research its options for an appeal because of the strange circumstances of the case.

"This matter will be carefully considered to determine our next steps," said Brendan Crawley, a spokesman for the Attorney General.

Jan Luedecke, 33, was acquitted of sexual assault charges on Tuesday because he said he was asleep during the attack.

A sleep expert testified that Luedecke suffers from a disorder that causes sexsomnia -- involuntary sexual behavior during sleep -- which he had experienced before.

The court heard that Luedecke and the female victim met at a party. She testified she fell asleep and woke up to find Luedecke having sex with her. She pushed him away and called the police.

Luedecke confessed to police after he discovered was still wearing a condom and realized he had had sex.

Canadian media reported that the victim left the courtroom in tears when the verdict was read, and said she would take the case to the highest court possible.

The Crown has 30 days to present its appeal.
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if he was cognizant of his condition in advance then imo he is guilty. either way he is probably full of shit.

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kyoukan wrote:if he was cognizant of his condition in advance then imo he is guilty
I agree completely. He knew he was suffering from this, he aggravated the condition by being low on sleep and drinking (alcohol and sleep deprivation are known triggers for it)... and he had the self-concious ability to know to put on a condom?

Bullshit ruling. He was guilty.
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So the girl goes to bed and sleeps with him in the same bed, naked, and wakes up after he is already having sex with her.......and the rubbers are already in close enough proximity to be able to grab one asleep......yeahhhh
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she totally fucking WANTED IT
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if she was asleep...and he was asleep....how do you prove who initiated it?
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If she was at all attractive, he initiated it, obviously.

It's the patented Chewbacca defense: If the bitch ain't fit, you must acquit.
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if she initiated sex then why is she prosecuting him for rape?

and because I might not be on for the rest of today, I am going to pre-emptively offer up my obligatory "fuck you, you stupid moron" to your retarded "because bitches do that kind of shit" and/or lame and probably invented anecdote about a guy you know and 'this same exact thing totally happened to him and it turned out the bitch made it all up because girls are all bitches, lol' retort.
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kyoukan wrote:if she initiated sex then why is she prosecuting him for rape?

and because I might not be on for the rest of today, I am going to pre-emptively offer up my obligatory "fuck you, you stupid moron" to your retarded "because bitches do that kind of shit" and/or lame and probably invented anecdote about a guy you know and 'this same exact thing totally happened to him and it turned out the bitch made it all up because girls are all bitches, lol' retort.
Not saying that it was that in this case...but you can't say that doesnt happen. Especially when alcohol is involved. I think its so stupid when girls say that some guy "raped" them because they were drunk, even if they were willing at the time. I've been really drunk before, but anyone I would fuck when I'm drunk I probably would sober too. My ex-GF tried to pull that shit on me once, even though we have had sex 50+ times before that.

Sure, at this instance we were already broken up and she was dating some other guy, but its not like she didnt want it. Hell, she was the one who called me and told me to come pick her up, then wanted to come back to my apartment after I got her, then SHE took my pants off. Two days later she acted like she was blacked out and didnt know what happened and said I must have just convinced her to come with me and brought her back here. She shut the hell up when I showed her that I wasnt the one that called her, and that she had called me at 3:30 AM and talked to me for 15 minutes.

So yeah, girls do that shit sometimes. Maybe not all girls, but some do. I think the reason she did was because her friends found out and she didn't want to look like a whore. But whatever.
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yup, some women do this (even though my example here is not exactly the same, but it is a woman apparently "consenting" and then taking it back).

http://webarchive.dailynews.net/search. ... e&id=75983
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coffield trial part 3

By RACHEL DAVIS

A Garden City man accused of raping a 22-year-old woman at a party testified this morning in Finney County District Court, contending that his sexual encounter with the woman was consensual.

Andrew Coffield, 20, is accused of rape and aggravated sodomy that allegedly occurred in the backyard of 1306 N. Eighth St. at about 2:30 a.m. Feb. 19. There was a party going on at the residence.

Coffield testified that he saw the woman he has been accused of raping sitting by herself in the kitchen at the party and decided to ask if she wanted to go outside. He said she led him to the door by the collar of his shirt and they kissed outside the house.

He said she leaned back on the car and helped him unhook her bra and take off her pants.

"She never told me to stop," Coffield said. "I thought she was into it because she was moving in rhythm with me."

Finney County Assistant Attorney Tamara Hicks said the woman never gave Coffield permission to have sex with her nor did he ask her to have sex that night.

"Do you remember telling Det. Powers that she was really, really drunk?" Hicks asked, referring to Coffield's Feb. 22 interview with Garden City police Det. Bill Powers. Others, including the woman, have testified she had several shots of alcohol, including Hypnotic and vodka.

Coffield answered "yes" but said he only said that after observing the woman in the bathroom.

"I assumed she was throwing up, but I don't know for sure," he testified.
Concerns about the way the police handled the investigation also surfaced this morning.

Sarah Good, whose brother is a friend of Coffield's, testified this morning that she had become concerned about the direction of the investigation.
According to Good's testimony, she met with Lt. Rodney Dozier in late February and/or early March at the Law Enforcement Center and gave him a list of names to interview that would help corroborate Coffield's story.

Also, Detective Dennis Johnston testified that he was to help with the additional interviews but never received the names. He said the interviews didn't take place.

Still, a handful of witnesses who attended the February party testified Wednesday and this morning that it seemed like the 22-year-old was fine and even enjoying herself.

Another party-goer, Eric Martinez, was called to the stand this morning. He had attended the party and testified he witnessed Coffield and an unknown woman having sex on the vehicle.

"She looked like she was enjoying herself," Martinez said. "She was awake."

Hicks said despite what Martinez saw, he never actually reported it to the police.

"I didn't know it was reported as a rape until about a week after it happened," Martinez testified.

"Did you contact the police and tell them what you saw?" Hicks asked.

Martinez said "no."

Today's testimony continued after Judge Thomas Richardson Wednesday afternoon denied Coffield's attorney's motion for a dismissal.

Defense attorney Lucille Douglass argued that the state's evidence was inadequate and that it could not prove Coffield was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Douglass said the basis of the motion centered around the testimonies of several party-goers.

During Powers' testimony this morning, a videotaped interview of the woman was shown to the jury. On the tape, the woman admitted to drinking between five to seven shots of Hypnotic and vodka that night. She also admitted to going outside with a man and waking up with him having sex with her.

"I don't remember very much because I was drunk," she said on the tape. "I don't know what he looked like."

Also during the trial in Tuesday's testimony, the woman said she thought the man who raped her was Hispanic and that the first time she saw Coffield was at the trial.
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Turns out the room was bugged. You be the judge:

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Boogahz wrote:yup, some women do this (even though my example here is not exactly the same, but it is a woman apparently "consenting" and then taking it back).

http://webarchive.dailynews.net/search. ... e&id=75983
20050922
coffield trial part 3

By RACHEL DAVIS

A Garden City man accused of raping a 22-year-old woman at a party testified this morning in Finney County District Court, contending that his sexual encounter with the woman was consensual.

Andrew Coffield, 20, is accused of rape and aggravated sodomy that allegedly occurred in the backyard of 1306 N. Eighth St. at about 2:30 a.m. Feb. 19. There was a party going on at the residence.

Coffield testified that he saw the woman he has been accused of raping sitting by herself in the kitchen at the party and decided to ask if she wanted to go outside. He said she led him to the door by the collar of his shirt and they kissed outside the house.

He said she leaned back on the car and helped him unhook her bra and take off her pants.

"She never told me to stop," Coffield said. "I thought she was into it because she was moving in rhythm with me."

Finney County Assistant Attorney Tamara Hicks said the woman never gave Coffield permission to have sex with her nor did he ask her to have sex that night.

"Do you remember telling Det. Powers that she was really, really drunk?" Hicks asked, referring to Coffield's Feb. 22 interview with Garden City police Det. Bill Powers. Others, including the woman, have testified she had several shots of alcohol, including Hypnotic and vodka.

Coffield answered "yes" but said he only said that after observing the woman in the bathroom.

"I assumed she was throwing up, but I don't know for sure," he testified.
Concerns about the way the police handled the investigation also surfaced this morning.

Sarah Good, whose brother is a friend of Coffield's, testified this morning that she had become concerned about the direction of the investigation.
According to Good's testimony, she met with Lt. Rodney Dozier in late February and/or early March at the Law Enforcement Center and gave him a list of names to interview that would help corroborate Coffield's story.

Also, Detective Dennis Johnston testified that he was to help with the additional interviews but never received the names. He said the interviews didn't take place.

Still, a handful of witnesses who attended the February party testified Wednesday and this morning that it seemed like the 22-year-old was fine and even enjoying herself.

Another party-goer, Eric Martinez, was called to the stand this morning. He had attended the party and testified he witnessed Coffield and an unknown woman having sex on the vehicle.

"She looked like she was enjoying herself," Martinez said. "She was awake."

Hicks said despite what Martinez saw, he never actually reported it to the police.

"I didn't know it was reported as a rape until about a week after it happened," Martinez testified.

"Did you contact the police and tell them what you saw?" Hicks asked.

Martinez said "no."

Today's testimony continued after Judge Thomas Richardson Wednesday afternoon denied Coffield's attorney's motion for a dismissal.

Defense attorney Lucille Douglass argued that the state's evidence was inadequate and that it could not prove Coffield was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Douglass said the basis of the motion centered around the testimonies of several party-goers.

During Powers' testimony this morning, a videotaped interview of the woman was shown to the jury. On the tape, the woman admitted to drinking between five to seven shots of Hypnotic and vodka that night. She also admitted to going outside with a man and waking up with him having sex with her.

"I don't remember very much because I was drunk," she said on the tape. "I don't know what he looked like."

Also during the trial in Tuesday's testimony, the woman said she thought the man who raped her was Hispanic and that the first time she saw Coffield was at the trial.
A 22 year old woman got blackout drunk off 5 to 7 shots??? Unless that was her first fucking time to drink and she weighs 90 lbs thats bullshit. I only weigh 140 lbs and the last time I got so drunk that I really blacked out I had 9 shots of everclear.
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Did I mention he was found not guilty?
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I am not arguing that the woman from Boog's post could be BS, here's a newsflash... alcohol effects people differently! She very well could have been messed up, but /shrug!

As for the original topic, it just seems a little odd in both ways. Why the hell didn't get take better precautions if he knew about his "condition" and jesus I had no idea people had an excuse for absolutely *everything*.

I also find it somewhat fucking odd that somebody wouldn't wake up til the middle of having sex. I dunno, I think you'd know if somebody is taking off your clothes. I suppose she could have been blasted beyond all reasoning.

What a fucking weird incident.
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kyoukan wrote:if she initiated sex then why is she prosecuting him for rape?

and because I might not be on for the rest of today, I am going to pre-emptively offer up my obligatory "fuck you, you stupid moron" to your retarded "because bitches do that kind of shit" and/or lame and probably invented anecdote about a guy you know and 'this same exact thing totally happened to him and it turned out the bitch made it all up because girls are all bitches, lol' retort.
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falling asleep at a party? good thing she didn't wake up in a middle of an orgy with her as the star of the evening

girl had no friends there to call her a taxi or something?
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if he was cognizant of his condition in advance then imo he is guilty. either way he is probably full of shit.
I agree completely. He knew he was suffering from this, he aggravated the condition by being low on sleep and drinking (alcohol and sleep deprivation are known triggers for it)... and he had the self-concious ability to know to put on a condom?

Bullshit ruling. He was guilty.

Ok, so if the guy knows of his condition and he willingly aggravates it by being low on sleep and drinking then he is guilty?

Ok, explain how that is any different from a girl getting drunk off her ass fully knowing that drinking to that extreme will completely lower her inhibitions and make it almost impossible to refuse sex.
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A 22 year old woman got blackout drunk off 5 to 7 shots??? Unless that was her first fucking time to drink and she weighs 90 lbs thats bullshit. I only weigh 140 lbs and the last time I got so drunk that I really blacked out I had 9 shots of everclear.
I think you've got a lot of drinking to see yet. There are plenty of people who will get seriously hammered on 5 to 7 shots.
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3 or 4 and i feel pretty shitty myself. 5th one will probably make me puke. But I've never blacked out in my life, the drunkest i have ever been was in Tiajuana and i remeber all of that night... :D
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valryte wrote:
if he was cognizant of his condition in advance then imo he is guilty. either way he is probably full of shit.
I agree completely. He knew he was suffering from this, he aggravated the condition by being low on sleep and drinking (alcohol and sleep deprivation are known triggers for it)... and he had the self-concious ability to know to put on a condom?

Bullshit ruling. He was guilty.

Ok, so if the guy knows of his condition and he willingly aggravates it by being low on sleep and drinking then he is guilty?

Ok, explain how that is any different from a girl getting drunk off her ass fully knowing that drinking to that extreme will completely lower her inhibitions and make it almost impossible to refuse sex.
One simple difference is that if a girl gets drunk it inhibits her own ability to say no, whereas with this asshole it increases the likelihood that he will FORCE sex on someone else. Its like a person with HIV: if you know you have it, and you have unprotected sex with others you are guilty of a variety of charges dealing spreading an incurable , life threatening disease. This guy has a known condition, its not potentially fatal to others, but that doesn't absolve his responsibility in addressing/trying to control it.
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I find it difficult to believe this "condition" even exists.

I also find it impossible to imagine a world where woman don't lie or falsesly acuse men of rape.

I also find it impossible to imagine a world where men don't rape women.

To be honest, I couldn't really give a fuck about this stupid case when infinitely worse things happen in the world, however, "sexsomnia" sounds like the shittest excuse for a rape I have ever heard.
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ok if your "asleep' ... how do you remember to put a condom on?
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Drasta wrote:ok if your "asleep' ... how do you remember to put a condom on?
How do sleepwalkers remember how to walk and end up wherever they do?

There'd be less unwanted pregnancies if people would just wait to have sex until they've gone to sleep.
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ok if your "asleep' ... how do you remember to put a condom on?
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why do you fall asleep at a party with your clothes off?
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it didn;t say she had no clothes on
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Youve never Hicked up a skirt and pushed the panties aside?


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