LOL Kansas Legislates the Scientific Method...

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 8, 2005, 8:31 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051108/ap_ ... ion_debate

The new standards say high school students must understand major evolutionary concepts. But they also declare that the basic Darwinian theory that all life had a common origin and that natural chemical processes created the building blocks of life have been challenged in recent years by fossil evidence and molecular biology.

In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.

Fun you can now legislate the scientific method to make it what your state wants! So much for that pesky empiricism...

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 8, 2005, 9:41 pm

double eww tea eff

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » November 8, 2005, 10:58 pm

Pathetic...

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 9, 2005, 12:17 am

I'm not sure whether to be amused or frightened.

I wonder what their take on the red shift and things along those lines are.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 9, 2005, 12:24 am

Aabidano wrote:I'm not sure whether to be amused or frightened.

I wonder what their take on the red shift and things along those lines are.

Red Shift eh?...You know who's favourite colour is red don't you? Could it be.....SATAN?!!!!

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 9, 2005, 6:13 am

But on the upside...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051109/sc_ ... olution_dc

DOVER, Pennsylvania (Reuters) - Voters on Tuesday ousted a Pennsylvania local school board that promoted an "intelligent-design" alternative to teaching evolution, and elected a new slate of candidates who promised to remove the concept from science classes.

Sic semper tyrannus

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 9, 2005, 2:57 pm

Exactly what fossil evidence has been dug up recently that throws doubt on evoloution? I keep up as well as any layman can, and I haven't heard of anything. In fact, all the shit I've read about has explicitly SUPPORTED it.

Neroon · Post by **Neroon** » November 9, 2005, 3:20 pm

The reason the average christian fundy gives is that "since there is no way to prove every facette of evolution from beginning to end to 100% certainty, it is obviously all false".

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 9, 2005, 10:09 pm

Do a google for fossilized boots and extrapolate from there.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » November 9, 2005, 10:59 pm

Neroon wrote:The reason the average christian fundy gives is that "since there is no way to prove every facette of evolution from beginning to end to 100% certainty, it is obviously all false".

Not that I am a Christian Fundy, but I find this statement laughable.
Thats the exact arguement that aethists have been using forever in regards to God.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » November 10, 2005, 1:00 am

Sabek wrote:
Neroon wrote:The reason the average christian fundy gives is that "since there is no way to prove every facette of evolution from beginning to end to 100% certainty, it is obviously all false".
Not that I am a Christian Fundy, but I find this statement laughable.
Thats the exact arguement that aethists have been using forever in regards to God.

To be fair, they suggest you can't prove any of it (religion), and in fact the bible suggests as much; to ask for proof of faith is to lack faith. A beautifully circular argument also used to great effect in The Emporer's New Clothes.

(I'm neither aethiest nor fundie, perhaps moral relativist.)

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 10, 2005, 1:51 am

Sabek wrote:
Neroon wrote:The reason the average christian fundy gives is that "since there is no way to prove every facette of evolution from beginning to end to 100% certainty, it is obviously all false".
Not that I am a Christian Fundy, but I find this statement laughable.
Thats the exact arguement that aethists have been using forever in regards to God.

Ermmmm no atheist I know, myself included, would use that argument.

There is zero empirical or even reasonable evidence for the existence of god(s).

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 10, 2005, 10:47 am

It is all a matter of Faith and personal belief. Don't buy what the others(anyone) are pushing.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 10, 2005, 3:41 pm

Aabidano wrote:Do a google for fossilized boots and extrapolate from there.

I'm going to extrapolate that the boot wasn't buried under 200 distinct layers of sediment

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » November 10, 2005, 4:31 pm

it was acutally a boot covered in feces

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » November 10, 2005, 5:19 pm

Zaelath wrote: To be fair, they suggest you can't prove any of it (religion), and in fact the bible suggests as much; to ask for proof of faith is to lack faith. A beautifully circular argument also used to great effect in The Emporer's New Clothes.

(I'm neither aethiest nor fundie, perhaps moral relativist.)

As an agnostic, I think this is one of the most apt statements ever used to summarize a lot of religious debate.

Zaelath deserves beer for this one if anyone ever gets to Oz!

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 15, 2005, 5:21 am

http://www.andkon.com/winace/designed_organisms/

Here is a wonderfully circular piece of logic asserting intelligent design theory.

Essentially they assert if you cannot prove evolution in EVERY case, that intelligent design must be accepted as true.

Huh? A fun read in an, "omg someone believes this crap" sort of way...

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 15, 2005, 7:59 am

masteen wrote:I'm going to extrapolate that the boot wasn't buried under 200 distinct layers of sediment

Shhhh, you'll make their brains explode.

There's a guy I work with who believes this stuff, sharp guy, engineering degree, etc.. He's convinced the world is at most 20k years old. You've probably met him Masteen

We've discussed this and he swallows it, compeletely baffles me. The "proofs" they give are laughable, especially when the much simpler solution isn't contradicted by the bible in any way that I can see. These people need to stick to the black part (the print) of the bible. Why they need to make this up to prove their faith is beyond me.

Could God have done it this way? Yes, but it's not nearly as impressive IMO.

Someone's got an agenda to push just like other groups, and is fairly well organized.