Explain this please!

laneela · Post by **laneela** » October 28, 2005, 8:21 am

Sylvus wrote:
Canelek wrote:PS: Except for Sylvus--he is just dreamy!
Explain this please!

Well you *are*.

Post by **Sylvus** » October 28, 2005, 1:06 pm

That's fine for you to say, but apparently Canelek is part of the Bacon, Lettuce, and Tomato crowd.

I am more of a Club Sandwich guy, myself.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 28, 2005, 1:16 pm

I like neither BLTs nor club sandwiches. And don't lie about your sandwich preference, we all know you prefer a footlong.

teeheeehooheeeheee

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » October 28, 2005, 3:55 pm

he likes his if it has brown mustard on it!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 28, 2005, 4:16 pm

I like peanut butter.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 28, 2005, 4:17 pm

apparently everybody who eats BLTs also likes "brown mustard"

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 28, 2005, 6:32 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Kylere wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Kylere wrote:A specifically gay school sounds like catering to the minority to me, and the last time someone did something like that it was turned rapidly into full blown segregation.

Amazing how fast people forget history, anyone else ever heard of "separate but equal" and remember how fucked up that was? Gay people should fear this school, and straight people should wonder how long it is before whichever minority they are is the next to be singled out.

BTW Cartalas the BLT reference is sad.
How is this that different to moving gifted kids into a special school so they're able to excel without having retarded jocks beat on them to hide their own shortcomings?
Well lets see, gifted kids from all walks of life, versus a sexual preference. You cannot see the difference? Come on, get freakin' real.
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but are you saying that sexual preference is limited to only certain "walks of life"?

Oh give me a damn break.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 28, 2005, 7:58 pm

My question was whether or not I was misunderstanding you. I am assuming from your response I wasn't.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 28, 2005, 9:24 pm

It's curious really, we're just wanting to know exactly how much of a bigot you are.

Do you mean that kids choose to be gay?

Do you mean that kids can hide the fact they're gay without any ill effect on their grades, mental well being, etc?

Where exactly were you going with your objection to the comparison?

Perhaps you think smart kids don't deserve beatings?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » October 28, 2005, 10:44 pm

ok ok ok ...

1. im gay and i could hide it rather well and got along with everyone in HS ...

2. im a smart kid .. im just one of those lazy non-motivated ones ...

3. i didn't suffer any weird effects from hiding it .. lol
=-)

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 28, 2005, 10:56 pm

Zaelath, you are a piece of shit.

Smart kids are not getting separate but equal treatment, they are getting better treatment, if you have a problem with that, fuck you. The US has enough problem educating the smart kids without keeping them all at thje level of the lowest common denominator. Hell the last election has C grade in collge Bush, versus C grade in college Kerry, this is not a trend that should continue.

Comparing intelligence to sexuality is a red herring, smarter kids need to be taught at a different level or they get bored and we lose them. Being gay does not mean you need special classes, and certainly not an entire school. What this school is about is not helping gays but keeping them away from what they view as "normal kids" but dumbfucks like Zaelath are incapable of seeing past the propaganda and realize that this move HURTS the rights of gay students.

All this does is treat them as if they are different because of their sexuality and for no other reason. Should we start having slutty and virgin campuses? Or never getting any versus doing the football team campuses?

If I was antigay rights I would be SUPPORTING this idea.

/sarcasm on ( for those too dumb to practice reading comprehension)
"Yeppers let us keep us them there faggies all away from our norml god fearin christian kids"
/sarcasm off

No wonder the democrats lose, their supporters from the left fall for the rights bullshit moves every time.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » October 29, 2005, 2:28 pm

i'm going out on a limb and guessing a "C" at Yale is not exactly the same thing as a "C" at most colleges.

call me crazy...

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » October 29, 2005, 2:36 pm

Zaelath voted for Bush, what a dumbass

Animale · Post by **Animale** » October 29, 2005, 2:36 pm

Yeah, its easier to get a "C" average at Yale than at most state schools. Grade inflation in the Ivy League is out of fucking control.

Animale

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 30, 2005, 12:38 am

Kylere wrote:Zaelath, you are a piece of shit.

Smart kids are not getting separate but equal treatment, they are getting better treatment, if you have a problem with that, fuck you. The US has enough problem educating the smart kids without keeping them all at thje level of the lowest common denominator. Hell the last election has C grade in collge Bush, versus C grade in college Kerry, this is not a trend that should continue.

What a load of horse shit, the biggest thing holding smart kids back is their peers, not their teachers.

How come smart asian kids can go to the same school as rednecks like you and manage to get outstanding grades?

You then proceed to crap on as if this were some kind of compulsory segregation policy; the kids have to CHOOSE to leave the normal school full of slope browed fucktards like yourself and go to this school where all they have to worry about is being hassled about their fashion sense.

I thought Libertarians were pro-choice (an no, I'm not talking abortion here).

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 30, 2005, 12:39 am

Badabidi wrote:Zaelath voted for Bush, what a dumbass

Don't be retarded, if I had been allowed to vote it certainly wouldn't have been for Bush.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » October 30, 2005, 12:54 am

Oh, one of the illegals that was bribed to vote for bush to have a fake greencard, matters not to me. You should embrace, not hate president Bush

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » October 30, 2005, 2:56 am

Proof positive those folks in Minnesota are weird. Not like us normal people here in Wisconsin. It's because we don't allow cross-breeding with secularists.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 30, 2005, 9:08 am

Zaelath wrote:
Kylere wrote:Zaelath, you are a piece of shit.

Smart kids are not getting separate but equal treatment, they are getting better treatment, if you have a problem with that, fuck you. The US has enough problem educating the smart kids without keeping them all at thje level of the lowest common denominator. Hell the last election has C grade in collge Bush, versus C grade in college Kerry, this is not a trend that should continue.
What a load of horse shit, the biggest thing holding smart kids back is their peers, not their teachers.

How come smart asian kids can go to the same school as rednecks like you and manage to get outstanding grades?

You then proceed to crap on as if this were some kind of compulsory segregation policy; the kids have to CHOOSE to leave the normal school full of slope browed fucktards like yourself and go to this school where all they have to worry about is being hassled about their fashion sense.

I thought Libertarians were pro-choice (an no, I'm not talking abortion here).

What fantasy world are you living in? You make gay jokes about fashion while trying to be the gay defender?

In case you have no figured it out yet, I have no problem with people bing gay, I have a probnlem with people being dumb. Dumb as in you and your complete inability to read. You even toss in a racist asian line, and call me redneck at the same time which is really funny since they are irrelevant to the issue at hand and just make you look more desperate to draw poor analogies.

Face it, segregation is wrong for any reason by the school system except for those relating to actual education such as for kids who are challenged more by education versus those who excel. Breaking kids down by sexual preference sets an unreal expectation for life. Unless they plan on them staying outisde of society also, but I can see nutjobs wanting to keep them that way, and bleeding heart morons like you siding with them from ignorance.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 30, 2005, 10:21 am

Kylere wrote: What fantasy world are you living in? You make gay jokes about fashion while trying to be the gay defender?

Lets ask a few of them if they find my jape about gay men's fashion sense more offensive than your contention that being gay is a life-style choice. I'll give you $100 for every one that sides with you, if you'll do the same, and we'll see who goes broke first.

In case you have no figured it out yet, I have no problem with people bing gay, I have a probnlem with people being dumb. Dumb as in you and your complete inability to read. You even toss in a racist asian line, and call me redneck at the same time which is really funny since they are irrelevant to the issue at hand and just make you look more desperate to draw poor analogies.

Asian kids outperform caucasian kids every day of the week, noting that they can do so within the schools that you propose gifted kids have to be removed from to excel is far from being racist. You're just grasping at straws and diverting from the actual argument, nothing new there though.

There's a wealth of information on bullying and gifted kids, here's one: http://www.bullyonline.org/schoolbully/gifted.htm

That's how it's relevant dipshit. People don't put gifted kids in special schools to get them better teachers as often as they put them there to get them away from thickheads like you. The same thing is driving this 'gay school'.

Face it, segregation is wrong for any reason by the school system except for those relating to actual education such as for kids who are challenged more by education versus those who excel. Breaking kids down by sexual preference sets an unreal expectation for life. Unless they plan on them staying outisde of society also, but I can see nutjobs wanting to keep them that way, and bleeding heart morons like you siding with them from ignorance.

Face yourself, the defining difference between giving kids an option to go to a different school and segregation is choice. The kids would have to CHOOSE to be "broken down" by sexual preference. They would have to CHOOSE to attend this alternative school.

There's also a *massive* difference between the school yard where oversized retards, or groups of kids, bully kids without any real expectation or fear of reprisal, and "real life" where if you tried on the same shit you did in the school yard you'd be in a world of shit. To quote Dogma: Do you know what makes a human being decent? Fear.

Realistically, the gay kids shouldn't need a different school because the bullies should all be kicked out of school, but you have no other place to house them, so unless they shoot someone in the school yard they're not going anywhere.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 30, 2005, 12:00 pm

See moron, I NEVER said it was a lifestyle choice. Oh yeah and I am sure GLAAD will find it lovely that you think gay people are all pussies who need protection from bullies. I have a friend named Barb that would stomp your pansy straight ass into the ground for it. Quit trying to feel better about your pathetic self by extolling that others need special help.

FIXING INTOLERANCE COMES FROM JOINING GROUPS NOT SEPARATING THEM.

You are such a fucking idiot. See, I learned this from being exposed to you, not being separated from you.

Thank You, drive through. When are they going to fix ignore?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 30, 2005, 12:08 pm

Kylere wrote:See moron, I NEVER said it was a lifestyle choice

Well lets see, gifted kids from all walks of life, versus a sexual preference. You cannot see the difference? Come on, get freakin' real.

Gays are. by logical elimination, not from "all walks of life" and being gay is a "preference".

Riiiiight, you never said it was a life style choice.

Go fuck yourself.

I know you have no empathy for anything outside your experience, and being tall and heavy set, you have no experience of the kind of bullying that an average kid could expect if he stands out from the 'average'.

If Barb is the kind that "stomps pansy ass" (fuck me, but that's funny as shit) then I can see why you get along you neanderthal cuntrag, but she wouldn't be representative of the average any more than your giant endomorphic ass is.

Edit: Gee wizz, GLAAD don't seem to have too much problem w/ the concept of a gay high school:
http://www.glaad.org/publications/resou ... hp?id=3356

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 30, 2005, 12:40 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Kylere wrote:See moron, I NEVER said it was a lifestyle choice

Well lets see, gifted kids from all walks of life, versus a sexual preference. You cannot see the difference? Come on, get freakin' real.
Gays are. by logical elimination, not from "all walks of life" and being gay is a "preference".

Riiiiight, you never said it was a life style choice.

Go fuck yourself.

I know you have no empathy for anything outside your experience, and being tall and heavy set, you have no experience of the kind of bullying that an average kid could expect if he stands out from the 'average'.

If Barb is the kind that "stomps pansy ass" (fuck me, but that's funny as shit) then I can see why you get along you neanderthal cuntrag, but she wouldn't be representative of the average any more than your giant endomorphic ass is.

Edit: Gee wizz, GLAAD don't seem to have too much problem w/ the concept of a gay high school:
http://www.glaad.org/publications/resou ... hp?id=3356

See that is why you are a moron, see, sexual orientation appears to be genetic, the practice of it is what is preference. Sexual orientation does not cause problems it is the practice of it that seems to be the issue for both sides. ( and the relgious nuts also, well they are nuts)

But in your inability to make a valid point you can only TRY to dig in and assume something so you feel better. Picking my size is even more insane because kids grow at different rates, I was the smallest kid in my school until 8th grade, and I have seen the downside of being bullied. My bulk is based on that to some extent because it was what caused me to start working out. But you do not know me that well, and you assume that I have one stand on issues while I have another entirely.

Go reread the GLAAD stuff it was not meant to be exclusionary.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » October 30, 2005, 1:18 pm

Kylere, this is exactly why I asked if I misinterpreted your comments earlier in the thread. You come off as someone who thinks being gay is a problem with the person (preference) while saying that it is also ok (genetics). You say that GLAAD and your friend Barb feel a certain way, but the comment I asked about puts it in another. I went through some gifted programs throughout my school years and guess what, they were almost filled by whites, and this was not here in Austin (added since ignorant people think all Texans are racist rednecks). I do not think that having a "gay only" school is the answer to the problems being talked about above, but I also think your comparison to the gifted program is asinine.

Drolgin Steingrinder · October 30, 2005, 3:28 pm

Arborealus wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Canelek wrote:PS: Except for Sylvus--he is just dreamy!
Explain this please!
Canelek wants to have your babies!

common typo, really

for entry 'babies', see 'boobies'.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 30, 2005, 4:46 pm

Boogahz wrote:Kylere, this is exactly why I asked if I misinterpreted your comments earlier in the thread. You come off as someone who thinks being gay is a problem with the person (preference) while saying that it is also ok (genetics). You say that GLAAD and your friend Barb feel a certain way, but the comment I asked about puts it in another. I went through some gifted programs throughout my school years and guess what, they were almost filled by whites, and this was not here in Austin (added since ignorant people think all Texans are racist rednecks). I do not think that having a "gay only" school is the answer to the problems being talked about above, but I also think your comparison to the gifted program is asinine.

Funny, the city I attended most of my school years in is a majority black, and so were the gifted classes. If you think gifted classes have a racist slant, that is an issue entirely unrelated to the issue of gay/straight since you have gay and straight gifted kids.

The closest the gift/gay anology can hit is that no good gift program entirely separates those kids from kids learning at "normal" pace, no good program for gay students would do it either. You do not suddenly change sexual tendancies when you graduate high school ( except the rather interesting sociological case of girls and the college freshmen gay experiments) and so we should not move them apart from the population and then expect society to remerge when we are adults.

Exposure is the best cure for bigotry and having an entirely separate school will just enforce it.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » October 30, 2005, 5:30 pm

What comes after they are segragated into their own school? They have to sit in the back of the bus and drink from different water fountains?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 30, 2005, 8:37 pm

Kylere wrote:See that is why you are a moron, see, sexual orientation appears to be genetic, the practice of it is what is preference. Sexual orientation does not cause problems it is the practice of it that seems to be the issue for both sides. ( and the relgious nuts also, well they are nuts)

What kind of hair splitting is that? You have people "practicing" homosexuality in your schools? Gay kids get bullied for being gay, not for fucking each other on the campus.

You also changed your wording from "sexual preference" to "sexual orientation". Would have been a lot simpler to restate what you really mean at when first asked by Boog instead of ranting at tangents.

And if you'd been bullied in school then you should know that how Barb feels about needing protection has sweet fuck all to do with how a high school freshman feels about it.

As for exposure being a cure for bigotry, perhaps. But I'd rather kids didn't have to be exposed to meatheads driving them to suicide so that said meatheads could become well rounded people. Leave that for "real life" when you have some chance of people having a little maturity and some chance to bring legal force to bear if necessary.

http://www.bullyonline.org/schoolbully/cases.htm

I'm not pro-segregation, but schools are already outside society and until they're brought into line I can see how it would be a better to allow the kids that can't "handle themselves" to choose to go to a gay school. Also, WWCS (from that GLAAD article) might not be exclusionary, but I'd say given it's mission statement there's not a lot of hetero's there:

WWCS is a high school sensitive to the needs of young people regardless of sexual orientation or sexual identity. It is committed to providing education opportunities to one of the most seriously disenfranchised groups - gay, lesbian, transgender and questioning youth.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 30, 2005, 9:41 pm

Yeah cause all those kids entering main stream society after 18 years of sheltering are going to be so much better prepared to handle life.

sheesh

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » October 30, 2005, 10:01 pm

Kylere wrote:Yeah cause all those kids entering main stream society after 18 years of sheltering are going to be so much better prepared to handle life.

sheesh

I get what you mean, but they're hardly that cloistered...

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » October 31, 2005, 1:40 pm

Segragation today, segragation tomorrow, segragation forever!

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » October 31, 2005, 4:04 pm

i love watching straight people argue about gay people ...

until you walk in our shoes sush ... but i think that high school is gonna be nothing but hook-up heaven if you ask me and i think its a bad idea. ... its just gonna cause more ... "oh you go to that GAY SCHOOL FAGGIE BOY!"

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 31, 2005, 7:08 pm

Drasta wrote:i love watching straight people argue about gay people ...

until you walk in our shoes sush ... but i think that high school is gonna be nothing but hook-up heaven if you ask me and i think its a bad idea. ... its just gonna cause more ... "oh you go to that GAY SCHOOL FAGGIE BOY!"

Yeah if you are a teenage male in that town and no one from the local PS recognizes you, you had better hope you are wearing your St. Michael Catholic Letterman's jacket otherwise they are going to autotarget you.

Besides which, how are they going to define gay? Kinsey said like what (some google nut can find it) 15% of men have had a male male contact that was in some way physical so do they qualify, or is it based on student statements alone, etc. So how about it being on your resume and losing a job because of it. Man, people, this kind of thing HURTS in the real world. Plus what about some trend geek who is bi, or experimental who wants to bounce back to their old school. Ye gods, no one, left, right, dem, republican, libertarian, or even anarchist should think this is a good idea. How dare anyone forget what defining people as categories lead to, if you are unsure ask the people in the Darfur region who seem to lack press agents, ask someone Jewish, black, South African, Arab, well hell, I cannot argue this, anyone who thinks I am wrong simply lacks humanity and is not worthy of arguing with.