Ya know... some people are fucking retarded...

[Diae Soulmender]

Granted, I understand that there is very little to no loot to be obtained for non-casters and non-bards in planes such as Plane of Innovation, Plane of Disease and Plane of Nightmare. I *know* this... I feel your pain, but why would a 'melee - Rogue, Monk, Warrior' even fucking "ASK" if they can 'roll' on an Ethereal Parchment drop.... are you fucking retarded? Were you dropped as a child? The answer to your question is not just "No" the answer is "Hell fucking no you Velkator Gimp."

A few statements:

-I really dont give a shit if its "for your guild". Im not there to equip your fucking guild.

-No, Im not greedy. If anything you are greedy dumbass.

-"Did you leave the group because I looted the parchment" says the Rogue. Well duh you fucking moron of course I did. People like you should probably go back to Karnor's Castle or Velkators Lab.

So heres to all you fucking morons who think you deserve to the right to 'obtain a parchment' even though your a pure melee...

Fuck Off.

Whew... got that off my chest.

[Sabek]

I agree with what you are saying, but it's just as much BS for the "parchment people" to roll on anything else that may happen to drop right?

[Diae Soulmender]

There are Grey areas in loot, but there are also Black and White areas.

Spectral Parchments and Ethereal Parchments falls in the "Black and White" catagories. If you dont cast or sing then dont bother.

[Sabek]

And to be 100% clear here, I have never and will never roll on a parchment. I agree with the statement that parchments go to casters.

However, I don't feel that its outlandish for the casters then to make some concessions to pure melee. I.E. melee get a few extra gems etc.

The argument can be made both ways just as easy.

For example:
Group goes and there are 5 "casters" 1 melee. They exp for like 400hrs straight or something. Each caster gets 2 parchments and turn them in. If the casters get dupes what are they going to do with them? Trade them or sell them. Which is fine, but then if they end up being a cash item shouldn't everyone have had a chance at them?

Just something to think about before you start on an all melee are retards crusade.

[Ocelott]

This cracks me the fuck up...

How many casters rolled on Fungi Tunics, RBGs etc etc. Stop your crying and go play the fucking game.

/vent off

Establish the loot rules in the beginning and you won't have this problem.
If someone doesn't like the rules get another group.

<Cheers>

[Raistin]

Once again there is no Greed in this game. Everyone needs it, they all can attain stuff thought selling/trading and make themselvs more "powerful". This is reason #1 why looting rules should be started up at the start of groups.No one will get pissed when one does drop, and doesnt expect something totally diffrent to happen.

[Sionistic]

Why would we roll? Because until the time comes when you casters dont roll on melee only loot, i will continue to roll on caster loot. Dont use caster only loot as your own fucking excuse to your greed.

[Vetiria]

Parchments are not loot. You can't wear them and they are not upgrades. They are what casters need to stay in the status-quo. Monks can still run up and hit a mob without needing new weapons. Enchanters can not continue their mezing ability without these parchments.

[sarlen]

I have yet to be in a group where the pure caster didnt roll on melee only items except for guild groups. As I have lost the roll more than 5 times on a fungi tunic and EVERY time to a pure caster I will roll on any parchment that hits the ground and I suggest all melee do the same.

It is an upgrade for me to get a parchment, I can sell it and buy the fookin fungi off a pure caster in the bazaar.

[Ajran]

Without parchments i can still nuke as a mage.. will i be as effective.. no..

sure a monk can still hit a mob.. but will he be as effective without the weapon upgrade?


thought so..

-Ajran

[Melrin_Specclaster]

Heh...the joys of pickup groups. Good thing is, with new charms, I can just solo instead of dealing with it.

[Vetiria]

Without parchments i can still nuke as a mage.. will i be as effective.. no..

sure a monk can still hit a mob.. but will he be as effective without the weapon upgrade?

Nukes also don't have level limits. I guess it depends what class you are. Without PoP mezes or charms, enchanters are useless in PoP.

[Raistin]

Damn right I would roll on a Fungi tunic. My twinks all need one. Not to mention I would prolly be the #1 damage dealer in the group. So why shouldnt I be able to roll on it?

Matter of fact. I shall go try and solo King !

[Sabek]

And as a warrior without good weapons to keep agro, armor to mitigate damage, and equipment to provide HP upgrades I am useless in PoP too.

For every half-hearted rationalization a caster can provide for defaulting them parchments and them still rolling on other loot, I can provide the exact same argument from the melee point-of-view. As Raist said everyone needs loot.
But to think you should get parchments cause melee can't use them and don't need them, then casters better stay away from haste/weapons/etc.

It's the same argument all comes down to point of view.

[Raistin]

Hey Im all for melee in the group to get partchments. Normaly I'm in a pick up group where everyone gets something. As long as its told at the start of the group, no one should have a problem. It takes more than just 1 person to kill mobs in a group. So all should be equal in getting something in return besides exp.

[sarlen]

Damn right I would roll on a Fungi tunic. My twinks all need one. Not to mention I would prolly be the #1 damage dealer in the group. So why shouldnt I be able to roll on it?

Dont bother me in the least bit to see casters roll on things like this as long as they dont have a cow when I do it right back.

[Sionistic]

Exactly, we cant use spells, casters cant use our weapons, why do they get to roll and we dont?

[Vetiria]

And as a warrior without good weapons to keep agro, armor to mitigate damage, and equipment to provide HP upgrades I am useless in PoP too.

No, you would be less effective. You would not be useless. There's a difference.


Edit: I'm not justifying casters rolling on melee loot. I don't role on loot I can't use if someone in the group is going to use it, but 99 out of 100 times, loot that drops in a group is just going to be sold anyway.

[kyoukan]

I learned early to start my own groups and tell everyone joining that loot goes to classes that need it first. If people didn't like it, then they were able to go and get another group, probably getting OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS less xp than my group was getting.

There are so many greedy newbies in this game that you have to establish ground rules eary. Back when EQ was new it was pretty much standard (except in the ks fest that was cazic) to do this.

[Spankes]

I know people with all thier 61-64 spells...every one of them. Guess what....they still roll. Now, I have never rolled on a parchment But, why is it ok for casters with full books so roll and not melee? It is not like I can inspect their book to see if it is an upgrade. At what point is it ok for me to roll? When can I assume all casters have their spells? Or, am I forever out of parchments just because I can't cast?...even if the casters dont need a single spell.


The fact of the matter is that starting a bit ago, and going forward, spells are going to be where casters make thier money while warriors, monk, and rogues are supplying the tanking and damage to get them. The only place I know I am safe from it is in a guild group. At least there I know that if the person that won the roll cant use the spell they got they will pass it on to someone in the guild who can.

[Sionistic]

i need to group with you more often kyoukan

[Soreali]

No, you would be less effective. You would not be useless. There's a difference.

Without a weapon that can keep agro off a cleric they are useless.

[Aaeamdar]

Didn't the thread, so if someone made this point, sorry for the senseless farm.

The only thing retard is coming up with a loot policy after something you know is likely to drop, actually drops.

If you actually care how loot is distributed, be clear up front, or stfu when things don't go your way later.

[Nadonius]

I know exactly who Diae is talking about, because she pulled the same bullshit in one of my groups, only taking it a step furter.
"If only casters are gonna roll on parchments, then they cant roll on anything else regardless of who can use it."
I never accepted a single parchment drop and never rolled on one untill I decided to ding to 61. Why? Because I couldnt USE them then, and always passed to somebody who could. Call me wierd but thats just how I play, and dumbfuck lootwhores like this get the boot.