The mother of all racial comments

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The mother of all racial comments

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/30/ ... index.html
Congressional Democrats blasted former Education Secretary William Bennett on Thursday for saying that aborting "every black baby in this country" would reduce the crime rate, and demanded their Republican counterparts do the same.

"This is precisely the kind of insensitive, hurtful and ignorant rhetoric that Americans have grown tired of," said Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois.

Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.

"That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, called on President Bush to condemn the comments by Bennett, who was anti-drug chief in Bush's father's administration.

"What could possibly have possessed Secretary Bennett to say those words, especially at this time?" Pelosi asked. "What could he possibly have been thinking? This is what is so alarming about his words."

Bennett stood by his comments Thursday night.

"I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition. Put that forward. Examined it. And then said about it that it's morally reprehensible. To recommend abortion of an entire group of people in order to lower your crime rate is morally reprehensible. But this is what happens when you argue that the ends can justify the means," he told CNN.

"I'm not racist, and I'll put my record up against theirs," referring to Pelosi and other critics. "I've been a champion of the real civil rights issue of our times -- equal educational opportunities for kids."

"We've got to have candor and talk about these things while we reject wild hypotheses," Bennett said.

"I don't think people have the right to be angry, if they look at the whole thing. But if they get a selective part of my comment, I can see why they would be angry. If somebody thought I was advocating that, they ought to be angry. I would be angry."

"But that's not what I advocate."

Asked if he owed people an apology, Bennett replied, "I don't think I do. I think people who misrepresented my view owe me an apology."

I do think he makes a valid point. Albeit it is not as much of a racial issue as it is an environment and cultural upbringing that leads to much higher instances of crime.
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Anything can look horrible when taken out of context or when not all the information is given. I bet his ratings go up regardless.
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from another source:
WASHINGTON - Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats on Thursday demanded that former Education Secretary William Bennett apologize for remarks on his radio program linking the crime rate and the abortion of black babies.

Bennett responded that the comments, made Wednesday on his “Morning in America” show, had been mischaracterized and that his point was that the idea of supporting abortion to reduce crime was “morally reprehensible.”

The author of “The Book of Virtues,” answering a caller’s question, took issue with the hypothesis put forth in a recent book that one reason crime is down is that abortion is up.

“But I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down,” Bennett said.

He went on to call that “an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.”

On his show Thursday, Bennett, who opposes abortion, said he was “pointing out that abortion should not be opposed for economic reasons any more than racism ... should be supported or opposed for economic reasons. Immoral policies are wrong because they are wrong, not because of an economic calculation.”

Reid, D-Nev., said he was “appalled by Mr. Bennett’s remarks” and called on him “to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation.”

Rep. Raum Emanuel, D-Ill., said in a statement, “At the very time our country yearns for national unity in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, these comments reflect a spirit of hate and division.”
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blacks = crime. hmm, theres no way around it. no one's taking it out of context, it was an illogical, stupid, "morally reprehensible", and completely bigoted gesture to make, even if it was to support another argument.
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Post by miir »

If we aborted every arab baby in the world there would have been no 911!

If we aborted every white baby in the world there would have been no Hitler and no holocaust!




I think this guy is on to something!
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If we aborted every Canadian baby there would be no igloos.
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Well... hmm...

Not sure what to say on this one except that he needs to apologize.

If you have read the book he is referring to, which I haven't but have glanced through and saw the author on John Stewart one night... I can see where he is coming from in his argument... taken to it's fullest extent though his arguemnt falls through and isn't logical however I can see how someone of limited intelligence would try and make that argument especially someone in a hurry.

Maybe more to the point though... it's not if the argument is good or bad or what he was even trying to say.

The point is that the guy, a good upstanding Republican Fundie, believes in his heart - wheither he fought for civil rights or not, that the number of Black people directly correlates with the crime rate.

Rather that getting mad people should be using this to show, once again, that many of the Republicans currently in power (I didn't say ALL) are a bunch of racist biggots. Bush not going to the NAACP meetings is just the tip of the iceberg on this one and it doesnt' stop with Black people... Oh well... at this point I truly wonder if the nation even cares anymore.

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sounds like he was arguing against "the ends justify the means" form of law making that's currently going on. Alowing law enforcment to do unconstitutional things to "protect us". He took it a step further and made a "whats next..." comment.

Taken out of context its bad. in context, if your not a moron, you'll get it.
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miir wrote:If we aborted every arab baby in the world there would have been no 911!

If we aborted every white baby in the world there would have been no Hitler and no holocaust!

I think this guy is on to something!
If we aborted all the white people, there would be no french canadians or Kyoukans!!!
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Yay! Stupid people are mad about stupid people who say stupid things!

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Post by VariaVespasa »

Kylere wrote:
miir wrote:If we aborted every arab baby in the world there would have been no 911!

If we aborted every white baby in the world there would have been no Hitler and no holocaust!

I think this guy is on to something!
If we aborted all the white people, there would be no french canadians or Kyoukans!!!
Perhaps I'm on serious drugs but I thought Kyoukan was oriental?... :P

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Post by Tangurena »

The Heritage Foundation already kicked him to the curb.

He may have been trying to make a reductio ad absurdum argument, and he totally blew it. His quote wasn't taken out of context. It showed his underlying racism: that brown skinned people are irredeemably immoral and innately criminal (which would be a rejection of Christianity).
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Post by Nilaman »

Well...

I guess if you stop any percent of the population from breeding, the crime rate would have to go down.

Law of probability etc.
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None ever mentioned that statistically, there are more crimes commited by blacks then any other race...
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Post by Tangurena »

Noy, you are confusing being convicted of a crime with doing crime.
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Yeh, but theres no way to accurately plot crimes that we dont know about... but im sure the %'s arent gonna change much from what people get away with to what they get caught on. and dont say stuff like "white people dont get convicted as often as blacks" cause thats horseshit.
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Noysyrump wrote:Yeh, but theres no way to accurately plot crimes that we dont know about... but im sure the %'s arent gonna change much from what people get away with to what they get caught on. and dont say stuff like "white people dont get convicted as often as blacks" cause thats horseshit.
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I think it's a horrible comment.. and all of his retorts after the fact ignore the real issue behind the remark. he's racist. or realistic. (oh no, that means im racist too.)

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arn't most of the high profile cases that have been on tv lately been white people?
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Michael Jackson doesn't count 8)
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So lets just abort every human and the worlds problems will be over, IMO.
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Keverian FireCry wrote:So lets just abort every human and the worlds problems will be over, IMO.
Can we start with you?
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