Dynasty Warriors 5

Menelaos · Post by **Menelaos** » September 15, 2005, 10:02 am

Anybody have any leads on a download for Dynasty Warriors 5 for Xbox yet? I haven't found anything for it on IRC yet.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 10:35 am

I wasn't aware this was the software pirating forum.

If you can't afford to buy games, go get a fucking job.

Waikiki · Post by **Waikiki** » September 15, 2005, 11:28 am

im a bad bad boy

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 12:04 pm

Ummm seriously guys, I doubt that Xoucow would want this board used for promoting software theft.

Waikiki · Post by **Waikiki** » September 15, 2005, 2:05 pm

Surely he wants it for archival purposes only!

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 2:27 pm

How many ppl really don't pirate software now? Esp if you have a x-box. I would say 80 percent of the ppl I know have modded thier x-box so they can rip/burn games they rent.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » September 15, 2005, 2:40 pm

And that makes it any less against the law?

Seriously officer everyone else is shooting people so that makes it ok.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 2:47 pm

And that makes it any less against the law?

Seriously officer everyone else is shooting people so that makes it ok.

No but I find comments like this out of date.

If you can't afford to buy games, go get a fucking job.

Its so easy now to mod a x-box and rent a game, burn it to your drive, and have a copy of the game. Really, if you want to get into piracy debate, I am sure you have or someone who users your computer has never downloaded a mp3 or software that was copyrighted. Please....

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » September 15, 2005, 2:58 pm

It's easy. That's a much better debate than "Well everyone else is doing it."

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 3:05 pm

Well they are=)

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 3:30 pm

Actually, I don't.

I don't walk into a store and steal shit.
I don't download or rent games and burn them.
I don't steal MP3s.

No but I find comments like this out of date.

So I'm 'out of date' because I don't make excuses for theft and think that if you can't fucking afford something, you should just do without?

Where I come from that's called moral values.

And yes, I think less of you because you steal other peoples shit and try to justify it by using pre-school logic.

If I like a song, I buy the CD or buy it from iTunes.
I've downloaded some MP3s... all of them have been from artist sites.

If a game looks good to me, I'll download a demo or look up some reviews.
I have 5 games for my PS2. I paid for every single one of them.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 3:42 pm

Miir,

The ease of pirating as a justification makes it pre-school logic? Thats one of the major driving points of why it is so prevalent today. Why go buy a game when you can download it?

If you want to say your taking a moral high road. Good for you, you are now eligble for the gamer heaven, but don't make retarded overgeneralizing comments about the majority of users that don't see it as a moral issue.

P.S. I could care less what you think of me.

Erolz NTurnet · Post by **Erolz NTurnet** » September 15, 2005, 3:48 pm

I think I saw somewhere that it's ok to do it if you are white because you are "finding" it on the internet while black people are "looting" it.

Honestly though, isn't Dynasty Warriors 5 exactly like the last few anyways?

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 3:58 pm

The ease of pirating as a justification makes it pre-school logic? Thats one of the major driving points of why it is so prevalent today. Why go buy a game when you can download it?

Let me explain how fucked up your logic is:

It's easy to buy a gun and bullets and point it at someones head and pull the trigger.
It's easy to subdue a toddler and cave in their skull with a ball been hammer.
It's easy to download child porn.

Does that mean the ease of comitting any of these crimes make them any less illegal?

If you want to say your taking a moral high road. Good for you, you are now eligble for the gamer heaven, but don't make retarded overgeneralizing comments about the majority of users that don't see it as a moral issue.

What the fuck is 'gamer heaven'?

My parents brought me up to appreciate the value of things and that the only way I could attain nice things if by working hard and paying for them.
It's not my problem that your worthless shitty parents didn't instill any values in your fucking lazy generation.
Are you going to teach your kids the same values?

Bah, fuck it.

I'm not going to waste my time on someone who's too fucking dense or stupid to know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to blatant and flagrant theft.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 4:06 pm

Wow, just wow

You are one self righteous arrogant fuck.

It's not my problem that your worthless shitty parents didn't instill any values in your fucking lazy generation.

Pure comedy

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 4:07 pm

You are one self righteous arrogant fuck

And you're a thief.

I can live with that.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 4:12 pm

I'm not going to waste my time on someone who's too fucking dense or stupid to know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to blatant and flagrant theft.

Let me make this simply Miir. I am not arguing if its against the law. Its called piracy for a reason. The reason why not just me, BUT MOST PPL pirate software is because its easy.

If you really think that about anyone who pirates software then congrats your a fucking old crusty alienated asshole.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 15, 2005, 4:19 pm

hrmm

downloading video games is just plain illegal, and pretty stupid imo.

downloading tv shows is cool with me on all accounts

downloading movies is really too much of a pain in the ass/memory for me, so i just say fuck it and spend the 5 bucks (gogo student id) to see it. unless of course i want to see the movie badly and its a smaller movie with that gay limited release attatchment on it, then i will wait it out for a screener.

downloading music is a bit tricky. saying downloading music is 'fragrant theft' is a bit extreme. if you remember back in the 80's (since you are coming off as an older guy, miir, i am guessing you can) there was similar debate because of blank cassette tapes. were you against those? hell i couldn't tell you how many mixtapes i made off of the radio, forcing me to not buy a particular tape/cd. does that make me immoral or a theif?

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » September 15, 2005, 4:22 pm

Self Justification is always easy. You don't see anything wrong with downloading games because you like to download games. Rationalize it however you want, you are still using a product or service that you didn't pay for, and that you haven't been authorized to use.

Stealing is stealing. The fact that is digital theft is immaterial. It doesn't matter how easy it is. It doesn't matter that you were never going to spend your money on it. If my neighbor left his car unlocked and his keys in the ignition, that wouldn't make it okay for me to jump in and take it for a spin, regardless of how easy it might have been.

The bottom line is: You steal video games. No amount of rationalizing will change it. If you are going to steal, you could at least have the balls to admit it rather than hiding behind your childish self justifications.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 4:23 pm

The reason why not just me, BUT MOST PPL pirate software is because its easy.

Why do you try so hard to justify theft?
Do you actually have a guilty conscience because you steal software?

If you really think that about anyone who pirates software then congrats your a fucking old crusty alienated asshole

Nah, I just like antagonizing people like you who are flagrant about software and music theft. I like watching you scramble to justify your actions.

I honestly don't give a fuck about people stealing video games. If your addiction to video games is so bad that you have to steal them, you should probably get help.

But if you want to openly talk about software theft, you could go make your own forum or IRC channel. You can surround yourself with other thiefs and wont have to bother justifying your criminal behaviour to them.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 4:27 pm

if you remember back in the 80's (since you are coming off as an older guy, miir, i am guessing you can) there was similar debate because of blank cassette tapes. were you against those? hell i couldn't tell you how many mixtapes i made off of the radio, forcing me to not buy a particular tape/cd. does that make me immoral or a theif?

Hehe, you made mixtapes off the radio.

I admit I taped a few songs off the radio, but I worked in a record shop pretty much from 14 to 21 so virtually all of my music I purchased legitimately. I had an ENORMOUS record collection. My CD collection is rather extensive as well (500+).

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 4:29 pm

But if you want to openly talk about software theft, you could go make your own forum or IRC channel. You can surround yourself with other thiefs and wont have to bother justifying your criminal behaviour to them.

Umm, we have had pirated media on this board before and probably still do now.

What I find so odd about all this Miir. Your taking this so strong stance now, but in the past when there was open discussion from other users on this board about using newsgroups to download pirated media you haven't said a word.

You steal video games. No amount of rationalizing will change it. If you are going to steal, you could atleast have the balls to admit rather than hiding behind your childish self justifications.

You don't speed, turn left on red when no one is watching, or rip the tags of your pillows![/quote]

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 15, 2005, 4:32 pm

miir wrote:Hehe, you made mixtapes off the radio.

f u i was 10

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 15, 2005, 4:32 pm

I nominate myself to be one of the orignal members of the new VeeshanVault Supreme Court to decide these matters.

Make it 6 or 8 members. Lets vary the backgrounds to keep it fair.

Liberal: Winnow
Conservative:
Moderate:
Communist:
Atheist:
God Fearing Christian:
Neocon:

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 4:35 pm

but in the past when there was open discussion from other users on this board about using newsgroups to download pirated media you haven't said a word

There was no specific talk of downloading just released music, movies or games in that thread (that I recall anyway). It was just talk of download volume.

That's quite a bit different than outright asking for a site to download a specific pirated game that was released a few days ago.

You don't speed, turn left on red when no one is watching, or rip the tags of your pillows

I speed within limits (ie: 115 in a 100 zone)
Left on red is legal where I live. (edit: ooops, I thought it said right on red : reading > me)
I don't use pillows, I use dead kittens.... they are fluffier and don't have any annoying tags to rip off.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » September 15, 2005, 4:44 pm

Ripping tags off or pillows and such only applies to manufacters, and resellers. It has nothing to do with the consumer once they have purchased the product.

As far as speeding, I speed like a mad man. I also admit that it is against the law. When I get pulled over I don't make excuses, I don't tell the cop any stories. I admit that I was speeding and accept my ticket, and I continue on my way.

I don't run red lights. Not at two in the morning, not when there isn't a car to be seen for miles. What's the point. I might have to sit there an extra 60 seconds. Oh noes!!

Furthermore, what does any of that have to do with you stealing video games? The answer is nothing. Two wrongs don't make a right. If I drove the wrong way down the freeway at 300 MPH during rush hour that wouldn't change the fact that you steal video games. So stop trying to deflect the issue. It doesn't matter what I do. Hell it wouldn't even matter if I also stole video games, it wouldn't change the fact that you steal them. It would just mean that we are both thieves. I personally don't give a shit if you download games, it just irritates me to listen to people try to make it sound like they aren't doing anything wrong.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 4:56 pm

TThere was no specific talk of downloading just released music, movies or games in that thread (that I recall anyway). It was just talk of download volume. .

We have also had direct links to pirated media in the past.

Furthermore, what does any of that have to do with you stealing video games? The answer is nothing.

Yes it does. You and your sidekick Miir suddenly are making some moral stand about this issue. When the fact is we have had pirated media on this board. No one has said anything about it.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 15, 2005, 5:07 pm

Instead of asking for links, just go to Pirate Bay:

http://thepiratebay.org/

If you can't find what you're looking for there or on the newsgroups, it's probably not available.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » September 15, 2005, 5:12 pm

Check my post history. This isn't the first time I've stood up and called stealing stealing. What does the fact that there is pirated material on this board have to do with you stealing video games. And, I see a big difference in someone posting something they happen to have in case other people want it, and someone coming here and specifically asking for pirated software.

As I have already said in this thread, I don't care if you steal. I am just pointing out that it is stealing. You can justify it however you want, it is still stealing. Can you really just not grasp the point I'm making, or are you deliberately missing it?

Menelaos · Post by **Menelaos** » September 15, 2005, 5:19 pm

Good god, I started a shit-storm of a thread. I only posted because I've seen many a post of pirated games being posted in this forum. Sorry if I've offended people...

If you can't afford to buy games, go get a fucking job.

I'm fairly certain that I make more money than 90% of the people on this board. You're kidding yourself though. If you don't believe 99.9% of the people in Network administration and related technical positions pirate software, you're just stupid. From my own experience, every single other person I know that is in my industry have pirated copies of any and all versions of extremely expensive versions of Windows, Microsoft software suites, etc. Hell, even very large corporations I have frequented uses pirated, non-licensed copies of Windows XP on every single workstation. It's not right, it's against the law, but everyone does it. Do you jaywalk? Everyone does it. Do you spit or pick your nose and fling it to the ground? Guess what? That's littering. You can take your self-righteous bs elsewhere man

I'm sorry if I've abused the board though, and I'll refrain from it from now on, and rescind my request for the game

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 15, 2005, 5:20 pm

As I have already said in this thread, I don't care if you steal. I am just pointing out that it is stealing. You can justify it however you want, it is still stealing. Can you really just not grasp the point I'm making, or are you deliberately missing it?

Point out where I said it wasn't stealing or against the law? You have no point jackass.

Is it stealing yes, but I don't see the difference bewteen someone asking for a direct link to pirated software when we have had direct links to pirated software before. Thats WHY this thread was started.

Maybe you and Miir should stop visting this messageboard if your this outraged over piracy.

It is the status quo of this board to turn a "blind eye", and this shouldn't have been a big deal. I would wait and make another post after you done PMSing.

Gamei · Post by **Gamei** » September 15, 2005, 5:30 pm

miir wrote:There was no specific talk of downloading just released music, movies or games in that thread (that I recall anyway). It was just talk of download volume.

That's quite a bit different than outright asking for a site to download a specific pirated game that was released a few days ago.

miir wrote:I like watching you scramble to justify your actions.

Couldn't help myself..

miir · Post by **miir** » September 15, 2005, 5:40 pm

My original point was that I somehow think the board admins would frown upon discussions about where and how to obtain illegal software.

After all they are accountable for the content on this board.

I'm fairly certain that I make more money than 90% of the people on this board

I'm fairly certain you'd be surprised.

If you don't believe 99.9% of the people in Network administration and related technical positions pirate software, you're just stupid. From my own experience, every single other person I know that is in my industry have pirated copies of any and all versions of extremely expensive versions of Windows, Microsoft software suites, etc.

We have enterprise licenses for all our software.
There are a number of licenses tacked on that for machines running the software either offsite or on home machines that are used in some capacity for work. My copies of XP and Office are all licensed.

Hell, even very large corporations I have frequented uses pirated, non-licensed copies of Windows XP on every single workstation.

That's ludicrous.
Large corporations are THE prime targets for audits.
I don't know of any 'large' corporation that would run the risk of a multi million dollar lawsuit from MS to save a few hundred thousand on enterprise licenses.

Do you jaywalk? Everyone does it. Do you spit or pick your nose and fling it to the ground? Guess what? That's littering. You can take your self-righteous bs elsewhere man

How does that justify you stealing a video game?

And if you make so much money, why are you too fucking cheap to drop $50 of a video game?

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 15, 2005, 6:00 pm

Because most video games aren't worth $5, much less $50. You don't get rich throwing your dollars away, and that includes entertainment dollars.

I don't know about where you're from, but my local Blockbuster doesn't carry good games. They have like 50 copies of the Halo, 50 of Deer Hunter, and about 20 miscellaneous games all more than a year old. So it's not like I have any LEGAL options available to sample games.

And thus, I pirate. I already have a bird for my shoulder, all I'm lacking is a puffy shirt and an eyepatch.

Kargyle · Post by **Kargyle** » September 15, 2005, 6:15 pm

Here's a legal option for you. Well, depending on where you live.

http://www.gamefly.com

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » September 15, 2005, 6:55 pm

Can I be the Communist? I always wanted to be the Communist.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » September 15, 2005, 8:11 pm

Winnow wrote:I nominate myself to be one of the orignal members of the new VeeshanVault Supreme Court to decide these matters.

Make it 6 or 8 members. Lets vary the backgrounds to keep it fair.

Liberal: Winnow
Conservative:
Moderate:
Communist:
Atheist:
God Fearing Christian:
Neocon:

Even on the VV Supreme Court the libertarians can't seem to manage a presence

.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » September 15, 2005, 8:38 pm

regardless how you feel about pirating, don't post a fucking link on a public fucking message board that is maintained by the community.

send a god damned email, im or whatever.

Don't get the board shut down because you're fucking lazy.

You cockbiting asshats.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 15, 2005, 8:56 pm

Sumdaor wrote:
I'm not going to waste my time on someone who's too fucking dense or stupid to know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to blatant and flagrant theft.

Let me make this simply Miir. I am not arguing if its against the law. Its called piracy for a reason. The reason why not just me, BUT MOST PPL pirate software is because its easy

Rubbish, people pirate shit for the same reason they break any law; they don't think they're going to get caught. Do you think they pressed hard to get civil charges against that 12 year old girl for downloading MP3s because they really felt it justified, or to get wider publicity and put the fear of god into other 12 year olds?

You logic goes thus: Rape is easier than dating. All that listening to the stupid bitch and pretending to care what they say, paying for all that stuff they want, all the washing, is it any wonder most men would rape if they knew they would get away with it?

Oh wait, a bit of reality crept in there... fortunately most people think the risk of being prosecuted for rape is far higher than it really is.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » September 15, 2005, 10:28 pm

Winnow wrote:I nominate myself to be one of the orignal members of the new VeeshanVault Supreme Court to decide these matters.

Make it 6 or 8 members. Lets vary the backgrounds to keep it fair.

Liberal: Winnow
Conservative:
Moderate:
Communist:
Atheist:
God Fearing Christian:
Neocon:

I'll be the agnostic to piss off the atheist!

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » September 15, 2005, 10:54 pm

Winnow wrote:I nominate myself to be one of the orignal members of the new VeeshanVault Supreme Court to decide these matters.

Make it 6 or 8 members. Lets vary the backgrounds to keep it fair.

Liberal: Winnow
Conservative:
Moderate:
Communist:
Atheist:
God Fearing Christian:
Neocon: Soreali

DIBS!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » September 15, 2005, 11:38 pm

I will stop pirating games when the game industry allows consumers to return their product when it is obviously flawed, incomplete or just not any good.

I have several spindles of Xbox, PS2 and PC games I've downloaded off the net, probably thirty or forty thousand dollars worth of games. Probably 10% of them I have boxed copies of because I've bought them after trying them and liking them. The other 90% were played for 5-20 minutes long enough for me to ascertain they are shit.

I don't see why I should be required to pay money out of my pocket and waste my time to rent a game first just to see if I'm going to get ripped off or not. So I grab them off the internet and try them. I fully support the makers of fine software with my money, but I won't subsidize crappy developers and publishers that can't wait for a game to actually be completed before shipping it.

The gaming industry, well the software industry, is basically the only industry I can think of that has no consumer recourse for selling shit. If you buy a piece of software you are stuck with it, and I am not giving my money to a bunch of cunts that don't know how to make a good game.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » September 16, 2005, 12:01 am

I would like to note that this was the only thread i needed to mod ever!

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » September 16, 2005, 2:21 am

Athiest!

Anyway, our whole god damn comics section on this board is full of pirated goods. The music forum is full of it, and the movies section gets movies periodically (recently: Family Guy Movie), and there's tons of PSP downloads in this very forum.

Miir, you're full of shit. Don't get all offended and act like this is the first time pirated software has ever been mentioned.

Furthermore, you claim to be "perfect" - you've never stolen a single song, downloaded a game, or a movie.. ..Oh wait..

On the topic of cable providers.

miir wrote:I'm not sure what my download restrictions are as I have never come close to hitting them.

I rarely download movies or games... the majority of my bandwith useage comes from playing games.

Hypocrite. You've done it, and you're just as much of a "thief" as anyone else on this board. And don't try to make up some excuse about "legal downloads" - between 1999-2003 as you bring up in your post, those types of downloads basically didn't exist on any sort of readily available level.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 16, 2005, 3:01 am

http://www.kongming.net/dw5/characters/

AE group

Dyna Dyna

Techno with Dynasty Warriors?

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 16, 2005, 4:36 am

Rubbish, people pirate shit for the same reason they break any law; they don't think they're going to get caught. Do you think they pressed hard to get civil charges against that 12 year old girl for downloading MP3s because they really felt it justified, or to get wider publicity and put the fear of god into other 12 year olds?

Thats part of it, but so is ease of use. An example, How many ppl do you know used ShowEQ? Not a whole hell of lot, why? Because running a linuix box for John Doe Gamer wasn't something he wanted to fuck with. Do you have a modded x-box system? Its ridiculously easy to do.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 16, 2005, 4:39 am

I would like to note that this was the only thread i needed to mod ever!

It was a pretty hypocritical move considering whats on this board.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 16, 2005, 5:19 am

regardless how you feel about pirating, don't post a fucking link on a public fucking message board that is maintained by the community.

send a god damned email, im or whatever.

Don't get the board shut down because you're fucking lazy.

You cockbiting asshats.

Why? Do you really think one post asking for a direct link is worse then the entire comics forum, or the countless other links to pirated software?

The only time I would want this shit modded is if it was becoming the major focus of this board. I come to VV for the sex and drugs, if that changes then we have a problem.

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » September 16, 2005, 5:49 am

You've lost my respect. Not because of the piracy, but because you could have easily made the last 3 posts one medium-sized post.

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 16, 2005, 5:58 am

lol, I thought about that afterwards, but I wasn't intentionally trying to farm I PROMISE>