This touched a bit of a nerve. Gay adoption??

[Animalor]

What do you think?

[Voronwë]

choice #3 was too compelling for me, i forgot the question.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

/nod

Anyone who wants to take care of un-wanted children is okay by me.

Even if those cock smokers make me ill.

[Adex_Xeda]

A noble effort by gay folks but kids need a mom and a dad.

[Xouqoa]

I would wager to say that a gay couple would be a better set of parents in many cases than normal parents.

Why? Because they WANT children. So many kids get stuck with parents who don't care because they were an accident or they just are insensitive assholes. At least if a child is adopted by a gay couple they will (in most cases) receive the attention and caring that they require.

I'm sure this opens a whole new can of worms about "what if they turn the kid gay" and what not, which will then be argued with "homosexuality isn't a learned behaviour, it's inborn" ... personally I don't know what to think about that aspect of it, but I tend to lean towards it not being a learned behaviour.

[Chidoro]

I don't mind it in theory, but the poor kid is going to get pummeled at school

[Animalor]

choice #3 was too compelling for me, i forgot the question.

Yeah.. If there's one thing I've learned in flamevault is that there is always must be a cop out option. Unfortunatly I strayed for the Searyxstuf and die IRL tested and true method and may have overshadowed my whole poll.

[Voronwë]

i agree with both Adex and Xouqua.

if you have 2 parents who are devoted to their children who are male and female , that is the best of all possible scenarios from a probabalistic viewpoint.

but i think it is very likely that kids can get great parenting from gay parents. i know a guy who had 2 moms and he was not the 'toughest' guy in the world, but he got laid a whole lot more than i did in college .

Mid's point is very good. There are so many kids out there that nobody wants anything to do with, and those kids have such a small chance to suceed in life and contribute to society as a result. if there are people that want to invest in these kids and bust their ass to help them, then more power to them.

sexually abusive situations are probably more likely with heterosexual parents than homosexual parents, so i think that aspect of the child's wellfare is really not an issue.

i think a reasoned analysis of what is known at this point would point to homosexuality as being an inherited trait and not something that is the result of environmental cues. There is a lot to be learned still, but if you are going to make a reasoned decision, that is the side of the fence you are going to end up on at this point.

[Ravvenn]

Its someone willing to take care of a child that someone else didnt want.
I honestly dont think it matters if it is man/woman, man/man etc.
duh

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

You are opening more than a can of worms. People and animals are meant to be in a heterosexual pairing in order for breeding to even take place. This is nature...there is no denying it. I don't care how much the gay community wants it to be legislated, you CAN'T get pregnant from a guy fucking your ass. You CAN'T get pregnant no matter how many times that lesbian fists you. I am sorry that the laws of nature have prevalance in this court. I really do not hold anything against you for choosing this lifestyle. It is your choice. I could care less about what you do in the privacy of your home.

Lets be honest here....a man marrying another man is about as natural as a man marrying a sheep. Neither couple can breed and neither couple is in a natural pairing. Would you let a guy that claims to be married to a sheep adopt a child? Or would you claim that he is unfit to be a parent based on the lifestyle he has chosen? Every argument you can present about this being inborn versus learned behavior applies to this situation.

[Fairweather Pure]

This is a good example of the golden rule. Stay the fuck out of my personal life and I will stay out of yours. Gays with kids? More power to them. People that want to restrict this stuff are just pushing their personal beliefs and morals onto others. That causes more social problems than gays raising children. This isn't the 1800's. Society changes. This is just one more step.

[Kylere]

The odds are their kid will just as fucked up as all the hetero parented kids, running around with an Eminem/ICP t-shirt, while putting Austin Martin emblems on the hood of their CRX.

Let's face it, most people are rotten parents regardless of who they are sleeping with at the time. Society encourages them to be bad parents and they take the easy way out.

[Voronwë]

kilmoll, it is more complicated than that.

if, as is most likely the case, heterosexuality is a combination of genetic traits, then it is as "natural" to have gays in society as it is to have people with blue eyes in society.

[Legenae]

You are opening more than a can of worms. People and animals are meant to be in a heterosexual pairing in order for breeding to even take place. This is nature...there is no denying it. I don't care how much the gay community wants it to be legislated, you CAN'T get pregnant from a guy fucking your ass. You CAN'T get pregnant no matter how many times that lesbian fists you.

You're right. Therefore, all those UNWANTED, homeless children out there are a result of HETEROsexual people who can't be bothered to take responsibility for their actions.

Yes the "ideal" home would be man/woman... BUT those heterosexual couples who CAN have children of their own, DO SO... and those hetero couples that can't, do adopt. But the fact is, there are STILL OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of unwanted children out there that need homes. It doesn't matter if it's a hetero couple or a homo couple, or even single parents, as long as the child gets the love and attention it needs.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

They actually have shown in certain animals that there is a link between a defect in the brain and homosexuality. I would have to go back and look to be able to link it. If I remember correctly there was an enlargement in a certain section of the brain. So if this holds true and they can do human studies, then that throws out your whole inborn/genetic theory and we can then say that it IS an abnormality.

We can take this whole damn discussion a few steps further than this. Currently there is a waiting list to adopt "white" children. For whatever reason, there are more white parents looking to adopt than there are minority parents. When you get right down to it, it is because the minorities are having more "unwanted" pregnancies and give them up for adoption than white. You can call me racist because I state this, but it doesn't change the facts. It is because the morals in this country are shot to hell and getting worse every day. It is because people are becoming more and more imbecilic and refuse to use precautions. Stop the immorality that is rampant across the country and there would be no issue of too many kids needing homes.

This entire issue is almost stupid. First, animals do sometimes engage in homosexual acts across the animal kingdom. They do not, however, form a longterm bond to raise families with same sex. Second, you as a human do not have the genetic capabilites to reproduce with a same sex mate. You therefore have given up your child bearing in favor of a relationship that is more gratifying to your sexual needs. No matter how much you argue in favor of gay rights (and I do not believe you should not have the basic human rights of anyone in the country), this does not afford you special rights or privileges such as marriage or adoption.


Legenae...here is a novel concept....STOP having these children. You want the solution? If you are being subsidized by the government (ie welfare) and you want to continue to receive it, then you get fixed so you cannot have children. Stop paying people to have kids that cannot afford it. If it were up to me I would take it one step further than that and have the mother AND father of any child that is put up for adoption fixed so they cannot have more. It all goes back to morality though doesn't it?

[Adex_Xeda]

If you really want to put a baptist in bind ask them if they'd prefer a child be adopted by gay parents or aborted.

In that case I'd say gay parents. At least the kid gets to live.


Oh yea there are tons of people wanting to adopt, given this circumstance it isn't a matter of the above mentioned golden rule, its a matter of what's the best setup for a child.

[Animalor]

Just for the record, I'm not coming out or anything of the sort. I've got a gf who I love very much and am getting married next year.

I know where I stand on this issue and was just curious as to where others stand.

As for the minorities having more unwanted pregnancies, this may stem from the fact that, without stereotyping, more pregnancies occur in empoverished areas of the world. I have no hard stats on this also however most of the children being adopted in North America are international adoptions with children coming from Asia/Africa etc so making the "other people than white folks fuck irresponsabily" statement completely false. I have someone in my family that adopted a little boy from Cuba that the mother gave up for adoption because she could not provide the necesities for him to stay alive. the mother HAD other children however wanted to give this one a chance as well.

[Deward]

I'm a libertarian. I don't believe that anyone has the right to tell other people what they want to do with their personal lives.

My personal opinion is that a Father/Mother household is ideal as well but there are so many kids out there that need loving families that if a gay couple is willing to do it then I think they should be given the opportunity. If Rosie can get implanted with anonymous sperm and raise the child in an open gay environment then what is wrong with Gay parents taking existing unloved children and making things better for them.

I had a lot of moments growing up where I could of wished to have loving parents of any sex. I turned out ok (I think) but a lot of kids won't. Give them a chance and stop pushing your moral thoughts on other people's business. Every hates a busybody.

Deward

[Silvarel Mistmoon]

There are a lot of couples that would love to adopt these children here in the US but more and more are going out of country because it cost a arm and a leg to adopt with very high chances of the mother OR father coming back a year or two or even later claiming they made a mistake and are ready to TRY and be a parent.

This should not be a money making business and if you give your child up you should NOT get a second chance. As long as there are straight couples that are willing and wanting to adopt they should be the ones that are given the children over the gay couples.

Think about it this way.. the child didn't ask to be brought in to this world, so why do you want to cause the child more stress by placing it with parents that at the beginning are going to confuse it and cause trouble for it socially with its peers.
Yes as the child gets older chances are high that it will be able to deal with this but there are chances that the child will not.

If Gays want to have children let them get them the old fashion way.

I have worked with a lot of gays over the years being a hairdresser and makeup artist. The gays that were at one time married and had children had a whole different response to their children then the ones that adopted.

[Jesalynn]

I was one of the few people that was blessed with good, hard working, caring parents, but I've seen so many messed up kids with lack of good parenting and morals that it shows that just because you can breed doesn't equate to being a good parent.

I have no qualms about a gay couple marrying and eventually adopting children. I don't believe you "learn" to be gay, I believe you're either born that way or not, and yes, it's a natual phenomenon in nature, just take any freaking Biology 101 course. I've always viewed gays as mother natures way of actually helping to alleviate population levels, extremely helpful in humans since we have no natural predators chasing our asses across the plains.

All in all, I think any person that wants a child, loves that child and can provide a stable, loving, nurturing home is worthy of having children. Those children will probably end up being good people later on.

[Voronwë]

kilmoll, you are misrepresenting information.

there has been evidence of structural differences in some animals which has correlated with homosexual behavior. Structural differences do not necessarily = defects. you jump to conclusions that are unsupported, and then use these interpretations of facts as facts themselves, which distorts your conclusion. Moreover, structural differences in the brains of some ungulate (i think it was sheep that a recent study was about...pretty sure a hoofed mammal regardless) may really have no relation on whether or not similar structures in humans are responsible for human homosexuality.

then that throws out your whole inborn/genetic theory and we can then say that it IS an abnormality

no it doesnt. think about it. there are a whole lot of abnormalities that are genetic / congenital. Regardless, trying to refer to any differences in structure as a defect or abnormality at this point is premature.

The fact that the dolphins and chimps do not form long term pair bonds between homosexuals is irrelevant regarding the biology of humans. While we are certainly similar in many respects to bonobo chimps (who basically have sex with everybody in their troop), there are many obvious differences. So the fact that there is variation in the manner in which homosexuality is manifested across species doesn't mean anything.

sure it would be very convenient to say "STOP having children", and hey maybe if we close our eyes and clench our fists, all the problems will go away. but i doubt it.

i dont think gay adoption is going to solve unwanted children in our society, and yes there is a big problem with minority children not being 'desired' for adoption, but i think that it will certainly help.

the minority issue is certainly one that is interesting to discuss, but i think it is pretty simple still, and that is most white people don't want to adopt black kids.

i wonder whether my wife and I would be looking to adopt a child of differening ethnicity were we not able to conceive. It is something i've honestly never thought about.

my take on the gay adoption issue arises from the fact that i dont think it is the government's business to legislate morality. i view it as a personal freedom issue, and the government has done a lot to take quite a few of those away over the last few years.

[Legenae]

Legenae...here is a novel concept....STOP having these children. You want the solution? If you are being subsidized by the government (ie welfare) and you want to continue to receive it, then you get fixed so you cannot have children. Stop paying people to have kids that cannot afford it. If it were up to me I would take it one step further than that and have the mother AND father of any child that is put up for adoption fixed so they cannot have more. It all goes back to morality though doesn't it?

Yes... that is a novel concept. Unfortunately, people are NOT going to stop having (unwanted) children. It's sad, but it is the truth.

We can sit here and argue with each other until the end of time. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions. MY opinion is, if gay couples CAN and WANT to provide a homeless child with a loving home, then more power to them. EVERYONE deserves a loving home... whether it's a "straight" home or a "gay" home.

I would rather have 2 moms or 2 dads that love and care for me, than have no parents at all.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Voronwe....you are conviently ignoring the simple fact that homosexuality is a deviant sexual behavior. I am neither condoning nor condemning the lifestyle of the homosexual, but that lifestyle is not one in which any child should be placed. I can guarantee you that every single person on this board will stand up and say that they would be 100% against a man adopting a baby girl if his deviant lifestyle included having sex with 13 year old boys. Why? The only thing that says it is wrong is the laws of the country. Yet this would be deemed wrong enough here to send him to prison. In other countries the laws may be more lax and the age of consent would be lower....is it less wrong there? Deviant lifestyle is deviant lifestyle.

[Legenae]

Voronwe....you are conviently ignoring the simple fact that homosexuality is a deviant sexual behavior. I am neither condoning nor condemning the lifestyle of the homosexual, but that lifestyle is not one in which any child should be placed. I can guarantee you that every single person on this board will stand up and say that they would be 100% against a man adopting a baby girl if his deviant lifestyle included having sex with 13 year old boys. Why? The only thing that says it is wrong is the laws of the country. Yet this would be deemed wrong enough here to send him to prison. In other countries the laws may be more lax and the age of consent would be lower....is it less wrong there? Deviant lifestyle is deviant lifestyle.

But, if that man was having sex with 13 year old GIRLS instead, we'd all be up for him adopting a child?

[Burke]

every single person on this board will stand up and say that they would be 100% against a man adopting a baby girl if his deviant lifestyle included having sex with 13 year old boys.

Homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia are not the same thing.

Deviant lifestyle is deviant lifestyle.

So everything is just black and white? On or off? No degrees?
That's like saying breaking the law is breaking the law. Jaywalking is the same as Genocide.

[Voronwë]

you are conviently ignoring the simple fact that homosexuality is a deviant sexual behavior.

that is not a fact, that is a debatable ethical question.

for instance an example of a fact is: Carbon molecules contain 6 protons.

some churches say that i shouldnt have oral sex with my wife. that i shouldnt ever use birth control with my wife. Does that mean i won't be a good parent? no.

pedophelia and homosexuality are different issues, and trying to comingle them gives more shock value to your point, but does not bolster the argument. i would say the most common type of sexual abuse towards children is a male parent/relative/sibling raping or molesting a female child. of course the fact that most female children grow up with male family members cannot be neglected.

[Ennia]

You are opening more than a can of worms. People and animals are meant to be in a heterosexual pairing in order for breeding to even take place. This is nature...there is no denying it. I don't care how much the gay community wants it to be legislated, you CAN'T get pregnant from a guy fucking your ass. You CAN'T get pregnant no matter how many times that lesbian fists you. I am sorry that the laws of nature have prevalance in this court. I really do not hold anything against you for choosing this lifestyle. It is your choice. I could care less about what you do in the privacy of your home.

Lets be honest here....a man marrying another man is about as natural as a man marrying a sheep. Neither couple can breed and neither couple is in a natural pairing. Would you let a guy that claims to be married to a sheep adopt a child? Or would you claim that he is unfit to be a parent based on the lifestyle he has chosen? Every argument you can present about this being inborn versus learned behavior applies to this situation.

I think adopting isn't about breeding, it's about taking care of and raising what is already born.

I don't mind who's adopting and if they're gay, hetero or single, as long as the background check is done and confirms he/she/it is capable of caring for another human being. Financially, emotionaly etc.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

But, if that man was having sex with 13 year old GIRLS instead, we'd all be up for him adopting a child?

Not at all. I am pointing out that this would be a deviant behavior and this person would not ever be permitted in our society to adopt a child based on his lifestlye. I gave the example of adopting a girl while having relations with young boys as an example only because he would not have tendencies towards molesting the girl.

Voro...there is a very large difference in your ethical debates. A very large percentage of the people in the US would agree that homosexuality is not normal behavior. A much smaller percentage would say the same about oral sex with your wife. I don't know how bad some of you are screwed up, but I know that if something happened to me that I would not want my children growing up in a household where "there was some ethical debate" about the lifestyle of the parents. Parenting is about passing values and traditions on to your children....as well as morals. It really is no wonder that the society in the US is in the shitter.

[Truant]

just playing devil's advocate.

But to some people, positions other than missionary is sexual deviance.

[Animalor]

Are there any other arguments against this that isn't deep seeded in religious zealotry?

Here's some food for thought. What's to say that homosexuality is just the first step is an evolutionary path that is leading us towards being a 1 sex/asexual species?

*shivers at the thought*

[Vaemas]

/smacks Ani

[Voronwë]

hey i wouldnt want my kids being raised by irresponsible, immoral people either kilmoll.

what you and I differ on is that you feel that by definition, a homosexual person is an immoral person, and therefore unlikely to be able to properly raise a child. I dont think that is true. I dont think that somebody's personal sex life necessarily directly correlates to other facets of their life.

well i take that back, i guess in some ways i do.


i would just draw a larger circle of what is "acceptable" than i guess you would....or at least a different circle.

I think people who are 'swingers' are potentially exposing their kids to some negative situations, for example.

but that doesnt mean that the government has the right to control their reproduction/ability to adopt.

shit some days i get so tired of dealing with idiots i wish the goverment did supervise reproduction, but obviously that would not be a good thing

[Animalor]

/smacks Ani

I deserved that one too.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Are there any other arguments against this that isn't deep seeded in religious zealotry?

Name a mammal that breeds with a same sex mate. I have not put anything religious into my arguments. Same sex couples make as much sense as a man and sheep pairing. Neither is capable of reproducing in its pairing. Could man and sheep raise a child in their lifestyle? I am sure both would be caring and loving of the child and provide all the stability and wool clothing needed.

[Legenae]

But, if that man was having sex with 13 year old GIRLS instead, we'd all be up for him adopting a child?

Not at all. I am pointing out that this would be a deviant behavior and this person would not ever be permitted in our society to adopt a child based on his lifestlye. I gave the example of adopting a girl while having relations with young boys as an example only because he would not have tendencies towards molesting the girl.

Are you sure about that? I would think that anyone having sex with kids (girls or boys) is pretty fucked up and would molest any kid (boy or girl). But that is getting off the topic here, hehe.

As for the argument about values in a gay household... I think their values would be pretty much the same as in a straight household. The only difference would be that they are in love with someone of the same sex. I don't think their children would turn out "gay" just because their parents are gay. All other values would be the same... and I think they would raise their children to know that not everyone in the world is the same... and those children would grow up more tolerent/accepting to other peoples' differences.

[Animalor]

At this point I'll invike the same argument as Voro did earlier. Beastiality and homosexuality aren't even in the same league of human behaviour.

As for the religious comment I'll retract that from the conversation for now as it's a whole other can of worms..

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

I think people who are 'swingers' are potentially exposing their kids to some negative situations, for example.

but that doesnt mean that the government has the right to control their reproduction/ability to adopt.

shit some days i get so tired of dealing with idiots i wish the goverment did supervise reproduction, but obviously that would not be a good thing

I am quite certain that if parents in a swinging lifestyle were to attempt adoption and they were open about their lifestyle, they would be denied. I would agree with you that it is a negative situation to expose children to and I would oppose adoption by parents that were openly involved in this lifestyle.

And of course I wish there truly was a way to supervise reproduction that did not violate every right that we have. The gene pool does have a way of cleaning itself up from time to time though.

[Psyloche]

Forgot where it was in this long ass list of posts but something was said about social or sexual deviance. Social or even sexual deviance has changed in the years and I'm sure you'll ask almost any guy if they like blow jobs and they'll say yes (even gay ones). Then go ask a bishop or something, he might say only from little boys anything else is blasphemous (spelling > me). Anyway the point is you can't throw deviance in because its all a perception of society and history shows that in the years to come people will look back at us and probably think we're fucking idiots because what we considered deviance.

wonder if this makes sense cause I'm going on 3 hours of sleep... must keep... reading flamevault to stay awake for class...

[Krimson Klaw]

I'd like to quote the infamous Chris Rock...

*You can drive with your feet, that don't make it a good idea though*

[Ahmik]

I wish I could do this anonymously... but I can't. So I'm gonna tell ya'll anyway.

My ex-wife came out of the closet in 1998 and got custody of our son (he is 11 now). I was in the USAF at the time and I was subject to world-wide deployment as a result of my career and there was NO way of getting custody of him under those circumstances.

I approached my commander and asked to be released from my current 6 yr enlistment based on my situation. He told me to fuck off, be an adult and get over it.

Well, anyway, since I was stuck, and had no legal recourse... I stood back and watched. As it turns out, she got hooked up with a very decent woman, and together they appear to be takeing very good care of my son.

He knows that his mommy is a "lesbo-dyke" (his words not mine) and seems to be rather well adjusted "under the circumstances". Yeah, he has a few behavioral issues, but that is more hereditary than environmental.

All in all, he is doing just fine. He is not being raised in a bad environment from what I have seen.

Between the 2 of them, they earn $175k+/yr and are doing just fine. My son definately isn't suffering. They just dropped 250k on a new house, they have new cars, and for THEM it appears that life is just grand.

I'm glad that he is in a safe, loving and stable environment ~~

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As to the Poll? Ya, let them adopt.

[Animalor]

He knows that his mommy is a "lesbo-dyke" (his words not mine)

I hope he doens't call her that to her face..

[noel]

Homosexuality is neither deviant, or immoral. Scientific evidence is pointing very strongly to homosexuality being a matter of genetics, not choice.

Associating homosexuality with deviance is just a falsity. There are plenty of homosexual men and women that lead normal lives, and keep what they do in the bedroom in the bedroom. If they're able to provide a child with love, attention and support, more power to them.

[Winnow]

People are way too insecure about themselves when it comes to gays and lesbians. If you're comfortable with yourself, what does it matter if others have a different lifestyle. The gay or lesbian lifestyle is not linked to drugs and crime. The ONLY thing different about a gay or lesbian relationship is that they can't have offspring.

I know some people had entirely fucked up childhoods. I have no doubt that their lives would have been immensely improved if they were adopted or raised by a gay or lesbian couple that wanted children and to care for them, to pay attention to them. The birds and the bees can be taught by either sex. Unless you have an activist gay or lesbian couple which would be equivalent to the fucked up redneck hetro outlook of some of the poeple on this thread, you won't over influence the child's decision on their own sexuality.

Gay bashing is getting old fast. It's going the way of aetheist bashing. I used to get shocked looks when someone found out I was atheist...now, more times than not, I get, "cool, so am I" or an indifferent non hostile reaction. I think of what my life would have been like in the middle ages if I said I was atheist and I relate that to other outdated hatreds. Let the gays live their lives how they wish. They aren't hurting anyone. Focus your hate elsewhere.

[Voronwë]

I think of what my life would have been like in the middle ages if I said I was atheist and I relate that to other outdated hatreds

very short

[Keverian FireCry]

Kilmoll. You say people shouldnt be having kids if they arent ready(heterosexual people) and you say that being gay is wrong because they cant breed? Sounds like being gay is a perfectly viable option =p

Its pretty obvious that you dont have to be breeding these days to be a successful or loving couple(no matter what sexual preference). In fact its probably best these days that most people DONT breed. So really any loving couple who wants a child enough to adopt one should be able to. Adoption process isnt easy. They screen for couples who are financialy stable and that obviously are ready and would truly love to have children.

Also, saying certain human tendencies are wrong because 'no other animals do it' is flawed. If you havent realized yet, that we are an incredibly unique species, youve missed something growing up... How many animals do you know of that can create music, computer games, movies, airplanes, cars, satellites, guns, weapons of mass-destruction, fly to the moon, etc...?

If i made a point somewhere within this post thats good. im tired and sick and want to sleep!

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

So when it becomes reality to add or remove traits genetically to your children before they are conceived, which of you posting are going to pick the homosexuality option? Lets see a show of hands.

[Animalor]

I doubt very seriously that I'll still be having kids when this becomes a reality however if it is an option I would probably have the fetus checked out for and genetic diseases that may pop up. The rest of my baby would remain as was conceived.

[noel]

Unless it's a genetic defect, such as parkinsons, lupus, or a prepensity for cancer etc., I won't be changing it.

I answered your question, now answer mine. If you have a child who ends up being a homosexual, are you going to disown/hate him/her?

[Nick]

I don't see the problem myself, has anyone asked the children involved what they think?

To be honest, people being gay doesn't bother me in the slightest, therefore neither does the thought of them raising children..


simple really...

[Lalanae]

I know several homosexual couples who can offer a better home than many of the hetero couples I know.

In a world where most kids grow up with only ONE parent, I don't see how you can use the "a kid needs a mom and a dad" reason.

Also, people should stop confusing their own so-called morality with the facts. You may not understand homosexulaity (because ultimately thats what it comes down to, an understanding, not a matter of "agreement". Homosexuality is not a choice.) but to blanketly assume that just because you don't understand someone they are unfit to be parents....well thats just ignorance at its peak.

The closest friend I've ever had is gay. I told him a long time ago that if he wanted a baby, I would be a surrogate for him. I feel that strongly that he would raise an intelligent, sensitive, wonderful person.