Sweet, I wasn't aware there were any Joe McCarthy fans that hadn't also made the switch from the Democrats to the Republicans where they belong.Sumdaor wrote:I am actually democratic and voted for Kerry in the last election. But thanks for making a point!
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Pffthg, you forgot Denmark, we still got troops supporting your idiotic war, which are the reason were threatened to be next on the terror bombings. But no surprise that americans cant even figure out who their allies are.Winnow wrote:Canada has been sucking American cock for so long I guess they can come up for air long enough to whine a bit. Being on the same continent as the Unites States means a free ride in security so they are free to lumberjack and create huge oil fields to try and get in on some of the Middle East easy money action. You guys rock!
Fuck Canada and fuck the Euros too except for England and Poland. Do your thing and we'll do ours...and if ours doesn't work, we'll take what we need from you.
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And no, i didnt vote for our current government who got the not so bright idea to support your war.
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The Only Country Who Beat the US in War.
The War of 1812 was US's attempt to capture Canada from the British.
The British were successful in keeping us from capturing Canada and in turn Britian was halted in their attempt to seize some of the port cities like Baltimore etc...
So unless you are Great Britian I don't remember the world power of Canada winning any wars against the US. If you can provide a war that you did, i'd be more than happy to entertain that discussion. The war of 1812 was a foolish endeavor to say the least, the first insurgence of a US President getting a little too big for his britches and wanting to expand int he wrong direction.
However, the only nation to ever beat the US in a "war" which everyone calls a Conflict (Bullshit it was a fucking war and a stupid one at that) would be Vietnam. Vietnam managed to lure hundreds of thousands of our soliders to their death under the foolish leadership of our president then. Keep in mind, Presidents are poilticians that we elect cause we think they can do good, we aren't always right - it's just because our country has such a huge impact on the rest of the world that the mistakes we make are noticed much faster and "louder" then other countries.
Forgive Miir, but he's just a victim of the myth that Canadian militia did much more than create disciplinary issues for General Brock's regulars and mistreat their native allies under Tecumseh. They did take part in actions like Queenston Heights (where they broke and Brock rallied them at the cost of his life) but for the most part were about as effective as the American militias of the time (such as the Kentuckians who refused to cross into Canada when ordered to). To whomever brought up New Orleans, I would ask you to look into the initial invasion of Canada as a counterpoint. The whole war was a clusterfuck and as per Franklin, never would have happened if the US had thought France would lose in Europe.
In response to Winnow, I will say this: grow the fuck up. In the 50 years after WW2, you are right, Canada did ride the coat-tails of the US. For you to claim it was unbeneficial to you is idiotic as well: like it or not, we have helped at times (like when the Canadian Embassy in Iran worked with the CIA to get some of your people out when the US Embassy was taken: thnx low international profile), and even in Afghanistan where we have had troops and are currently sending more. We have provide raw materials and specialized expertise when we could. We are 1/10th your population, so there is no way in hell we can be expected to do all you can, yet in WW2 we provided in the neighbourhood of 1/6 of all allied airmen, trained a fuckload more and also were enough of a presence to provide the troops for 1 of the 5 beach landings at Normandy. We liberated Holland and Canadian troops bled all the way up Eastern Italy in places like Ortona, in the fight to get rid of Mussolini.
I don't like the anti-Americanism that our Liberal governments under Trudeau and Cretien have fostered and tried to make in vogue as they sucked up to and tried to create closer ties to Paris, at the expense of the ones to the US and UK. I accept and appreciate there will be regional tensions based on economic rivalries (such as the Southern Ontario vs Michigan auto makers and the western farmers on both sides of the borders). I don't like the way the Canadian governments of the past 50 years have mistreated and continually downsized our military to the point where we have problems meeting our treaty and peacekeeping commitments. I don't like some of the ways US foreign policy seems to be decided in favour of corporate America rather than the people they are interfering with at times. I think 9-11 was a tragedy and the hunt should be in Afghanistan. I think Iraq is a wasteful tragedy, regardless of what kind of asshole Saddam Hussein is. And I get sick and fucking tired of uninformed Americans making their entire country look like stupid assholes with statements like this:
In response to Winnow, I will say this: grow the fuck up. In the 50 years after WW2, you are right, Canada did ride the coat-tails of the US. For you to claim it was unbeneficial to you is idiotic as well: like it or not, we have helped at times (like when the Canadian Embassy in Iran worked with the CIA to get some of your people out when the US Embassy was taken: thnx low international profile), and even in Afghanistan where we have had troops and are currently sending more. We have provide raw materials and specialized expertise when we could. We are 1/10th your population, so there is no way in hell we can be expected to do all you can, yet in WW2 we provided in the neighbourhood of 1/6 of all allied airmen, trained a fuckload more and also were enough of a presence to provide the troops for 1 of the 5 beach landings at Normandy. We liberated Holland and Canadian troops bled all the way up Eastern Italy in places like Ortona, in the fight to get rid of Mussolini.
I don't like the anti-Americanism that our Liberal governments under Trudeau and Cretien have fostered and tried to make in vogue as they sucked up to and tried to create closer ties to Paris, at the expense of the ones to the US and UK. I accept and appreciate there will be regional tensions based on economic rivalries (such as the Southern Ontario vs Michigan auto makers and the western farmers on both sides of the borders). I don't like the way the Canadian governments of the past 50 years have mistreated and continually downsized our military to the point where we have problems meeting our treaty and peacekeeping commitments. I don't like some of the ways US foreign policy seems to be decided in favour of corporate America rather than the people they are interfering with at times. I think 9-11 was a tragedy and the hunt should be in Afghanistan. I think Iraq is a wasteful tragedy, regardless of what kind of asshole Saddam Hussein is. And I get sick and fucking tired of uninformed Americans making their entire country look like stupid assholes with statements like this:
The USA has done some great things but its not always right and not always based on altruism. The same can be said of Canada and many others. But please remember while you are the biggest, you are not the only free nation in the world, or the only nation that has fought for it.The American military is the only reason you fucking euro-faggots have the right to fuck each other in the ass over tea and crumpets. Your Irish potato eating ass would have gotten gassed for being born if it weren't for the jack booted thugs from the U.S. of fucking A. I wish to Christ that we develop an energy source that eliminates the need for oil and become an isolationist and pray you assholes get wiped out by the 4th reich.
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Well, that pretty much sums up everything that needs to be said about anything ever posted on this board.
Not that I fucking remember what the topic was in the first place. But since when has that mattered?
Not that I fucking remember what the topic was in the first place. But since when has that mattered?
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I think one could count both the Civil War (where the smarter half beat the dumber half) and Veitnam as losses. The cluster fornication known as the war of 1812 and the Korean conflict were basically stalemates.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
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Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
I am actually democratic and voted for Kerry in the last election. But thanks for making a point!
Sweet, I wasn't aware there were any Joe McCarthy fans that hadn't also made the switch from the Democrats to the Republicans where they belong.
My post was directed that the U.S. motives for going to war in Iraqi is not being run by our "corporate masters", and really when would support for US troops in one conflict define your party affilation? I was also trying to show a past precidence for U.S involvement in the conflicts similar to the one in Iraqi and the reason why we do it. I had no idea the U.S. political system worked in a way that one issue defined your party affilation. Maybe you can enlighten me, you are from australia right? Please go right ahead.
P.S. What would Joe McCarthy have to do with anything.
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.....................My post was directed that the U.S. motives for going to war in Iraqi is not being run by our "corporate masters"
Well I guess, from an outsiders perspective, it sure looks like it, looking at the last election results, not to mention, if a single issue is big enough to warrant a particular vote one way or the other, doesn't in any way mean that the whole "system" (whatever that is) works in that way, every time, forever.had no idea the U.S. political system worked in a way that one issue defined your party affilation.
I'm sorry, did your forget your own insane ramblings about communism, or do you just not know who Joe McCarthy is?Sumdaor wrote:I am actually democratic and voted for Kerry in the last election. But thanks for making a point!
Sweet, I wasn't aware there were any Joe McCarthy fans that hadn't also made the switch from the Democrats to the Republicans where they belong.
My post was directed that the U.S. motives for going to war in Iraqi is not being run by our "corporate masters", and really when would support for US troops in one conflict define your party affilation? I was also trying to show a past precidence for U.S involvement in the conflicts similar to the one in Iraqi and the reason why we do it. I had no idea the U.S. political system worked in a way that one issue defined your party affilation. Maybe you can enlighten me, you are from australia right? Please go right ahead.
P.S. What would Joe McCarthy have to do with anything.
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Oh I remember what I said:I'm sorry, did your forget your own insane ramblings about communism, or do you just not know who Joe McCarthy is?
Is that insane ramblings? Yes, I am anti-communist, suprise, suprise since I live in a democracy and not a social sate. I would stand by that statement U.S>U.N in the role of the fall of coummunism in the USSR.The greatest event in my life time so far has been the fall of communism. I am sure the world see's the U.N as the single greatest cause for the fall communism, and not the U.S
Since when does a general statement like that draw comparison's to Joe McCarthy?
But then again you haven't made a intelligent statement in this thread.
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How about I paraphrase so you can see how retarded you sound:Sumdaor wrote:Is that insane ramblings? Yes, I am anti-communist, suprise, suprise since I live in a democracy and not a social sate. I would stand by that statement U.S>U.N in the role of the fall of coummunism in the USSR.The greatest event in my life time so far has been the fall of communism. I am sure the world see's the U.N as the single greatest cause for the fall communism, and not the U.S
Since when does a general statement like that draw comparison's to Joe McCarthy?
But then again you haven't made a intelligent statement in this thread.
"Yes, I'm anti-female, surprise, surprise, since I live in a patriarchal society and not a feminist one."
And here's an illustration of how you're comparable to Joe!
Joe: rabidly anti-communist
You: rabidly anti-communist (with everything the human race has achieved in the time you've been alive, a negative is your highlight)
Joe: Started out Democrat, finished up Republican
You: Democrat, should just get it over with and start voting republican now.
May 2003 - "Mission Accomplished"
June 2005 - "The mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight"
-- G W Bush, freelance writer for The Daily Show.
June 2005 - "The mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight"
-- G W Bush, freelance writer for The Daily Show.