Hillary going for the crispy vote?

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » July 15, 2005, 5:04 am

http://smh.com.au/news/world/clinton-bl ... 03919.html

US Senator Hillary Clinton has demanded new protections for children from graphic video games, as a row raged over sexual content that gamers can insert into hugely popular release Grand Theft Auto.

Clinton, a potential presidential candidate in 2008, singled out Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas following reports that users can download a hack from the internet, which introduces pornographic scenes to the game.

I wonder if she also wants sharpies banned because I use them to draw the nipples in on models in fashion magazines.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 15, 2005, 5:13 am

hard lefties have always enjoyed being the morality police. it's one thing they have in common with the right. stupid people like hillary clinton would rather have things banned or regulated than to have people take some fucking personal responsibility for themselves or their children.

how someone can sit around while a game is on the shelf for 8 months where you can shoot cops in the face with a sawed off shotgun and run over old women in a car, but the moment one fully clothed crude 3d model emulates sexual positions with another fully clothed and even cruder 3d model all of a sudden our children need to be protected from it.

not that I'm surprised that hillary is less concered with shooting men than she is with fucking them.

if you want to protect your children from adult videogames then don't let them play them.. just like you don't let them watch porn or smoke cigarettes.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » July 15, 2005, 8:35 am

I'm fairly sure the crispy vote is lost, if only due to her one greatest sin.

[Show]: Having a vagina.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » July 15, 2005, 9:04 am

Why is it that it took Sex to make her freak out like that. I would never let my kids play that type of game mainly based off the violence involved. Those kind of games tend to emulate all the things we don't want our children to learn and they make it seem like it is the cool thing to do.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 15, 2005, 9:16 am

That's unproven Niffoni.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » July 15, 2005, 10:00 am

I never understood how games/movies/etc are rated here in the US. Violence gets low age limit, a naked ass gets high. Sad.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » July 15, 2005, 1:13 pm

It's ok to see the inside of a person, just as long as you don't see the outside.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » July 15, 2005, 1:30 pm

I've never understood that shit with those freaks. I mean it's ok for their kids to see all kinds of people being killed, maimed and mutilate but OMG a real live BOOB! SUE!

People wonder why we have more serial killers and this is one of the reasons. Few get uptight when their kids see more violence on the 6:00 news than most of our forefathers ever did at all. Yet freak out with the very mention of sex. Look at the stupid people all for the abstenance programs that we KNOW don't work. WTF is wrong with these people. While I think someone needs to be at a certian maturity level to truly be prepared for the emotional aspects of sex, I would much rather someone give someone a blow or do some carpet munchin' than hit someone...

It's like giving or recieving pleasure in America is somehow much worse than beating them. That is just fucked up... bottom line.

Marb

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 15, 2005, 9:25 pm

quick someone take down marb before he spreads the words of reason!

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » July 16, 2005, 12:16 am

This only serves to remind me that Bill Clinton's biggest error wasn't playing around but that he lied about it. Anyone taking a look at Hillary would conclude he he was justified.

That new book about Hillary asserts Chelsea wouldn't have happened but that Bill essentially raped Hillary. He probably had to bag her even then.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 16, 2005, 1:26 am

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Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 16, 2005, 4:42 pm

Metanis wrote:This only serves to remind me that Bill Clinton's biggest error wasn't playing around but that he lied about it. Anyone taking a look at Hillary would conclude he he was justified.

That new book about Hillary asserts Chelsea wouldn't have happened but that Bill essentially raped Hillary. He probably had to bag her even then.

il never understand why conservatives are so concerned about a politicans personal life that there "home values" stand on a more important level then there political belifs and accomplishments...i could care less if bill clinton on his personal time enjoyed having sex with dead baby seals, i would still respect him as a politician and vote for or against him accordingly...great post by marbus, unfortunately we were founded for the most part by deprived puritans with a sick sense of values and priorities, there taboos still somehow manage to play a role in the lives of most americans and the several problems of our society are apparent because of these...although it only took most European countries less then 10 years to socially and culturally recover from ultra conservative religious dictatorships such as that of franco’s

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 18, 2005, 11:55 am

Xzion wrote:
Metanis wrote:This only serves to remind me that Bill Clinton's biggest error wasn't playing around but that he lied about it. Anyone taking a look at Hillary would conclude he he was justified.

That new book about Hillary asserts Chelsea wouldn't have happened but that Bill essentially raped Hillary. He probably had to bag her even then.
il never understand why conservatives are so concerned about a politicans personal life that there "home values" stand on a more important level then there political belifs and accomplishments...i could care less if bill clinton on his personal time enjoyed having sex with dead baby seals, i would still respect him as a politician and vote for or against him accordingly...great post by marbus, unfortunately we were founded for the most part by deprived puritans with a sick sense of values and priorities, there taboos still somehow manage to play a role in the lives of most americans and the several problems of our society are apparent because of these...although it only took most European countries less then 10 years to socially and culturally recover from ultra conservative religious dictatorships such as that of franco’s

This post of yours is why you are considered a complete jackass. If a man cannot be trustworthy in his own personal life chances are he will be similiar in every aspect of his life. This of course speaks to character, obviously something you feel is unimportant.

Just what taboos are you talking about with your little diatribe?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » July 18, 2005, 12:06 pm

You can be a good person but a bad employee.
You can be a bad person but a good employee.

Suggesting that the 2 go hand in had is absurd. Using your logic, I think you are a douche here so you must be one in real life with your familly and your job. You would be the first person to object to that statement.

A good work ethic is a different trait from being a good husband, good person, ect...

Post by **Sylvus** » July 18, 2005, 12:09 pm

Atokal wrote:This post of yours is why you are considered a complete jackass. If a man cannot be trustworthy in his own personal life chances are he will be similiar in every aspect of his life. This of course speaks to character, obviously something you feel is unimportant.

Shrug, I wasn't a huge fan of Clinton's (I never voted for him) though he did seem to be a lot more intelligent and charismatic than the half-wit we currently have in office, and that I can respect.

He lied about getting some strange. While I don't think that is the most respectable thing to do, I don't think it was anyone's business but his and hillary's. Character? Perhaps, but it's all relative and I'd be interested in finding actual numbers of how many people stay married for more than 20 years without getting some extra-carricular on the side at some point or another. I'm not advocating it, but I can understand it.

Bush's lies actually affect the lives of tens or hundreds of thousands of people, and many of those people still support him. That's something I'll never understand.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » July 18, 2005, 3:39 pm

because republicans are a bastion of integrity
cough child slavery pedo rings cough

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » July 18, 2005, 3:42 pm

Atokal wrote:
Xzion wrote:
Metanis wrote:This only serves to remind me that Bill Clinton's biggest error wasn't playing around but that he lied about it. Anyone taking a look at Hillary would conclude he he was justified.

That new book about Hillary asserts Chelsea wouldn't have happened but that Bill essentially raped Hillary. He probably had to bag her even then.
il never understand why conservatives are so concerned about a politicans personal life that there "home values" stand on a more important level then there political belifs and accomplishments...i could care less if bill clinton on his personal time enjoyed having sex with dead baby seals, i would still respect him as a politician and vote for or against him accordingly...great post by marbus, unfortunately we were founded for the most part by deprived puritans with a sick sense of values and priorities, there taboos still somehow manage to play a role in the lives of most americans and the several problems of our society are apparent because of these...although it only took most European countries less then 10 years to socially and culturally recover from ultra conservative religious dictatorships such as that of franco’s
This post of yours is why you are considered a complete jackass. If a man cannot be trustworthy in his own personal life chances are he will be similiar in every aspect of his life. This of course speaks to character, obviously something you feel is unimportant.

Just what taboos are you talking about with your little diatribe?

Well by that logic atokal let me take it a step further and tell you that I am a horrible golfer…and we all know because I am a horrible golfer I perform horribly in my sex life and blow all of my income on crack, as I am horrible in every other aspect of my life…as my golf game will tell you

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » July 18, 2005, 5:57 pm

Xzion wrote:
Atokal wrote:
Xzion wrote:
Metanis wrote:This only serves to remind me that Bill Clinton's biggest error wasn't playing around but that he lied about it. Anyone taking a look at Hillary would conclude he he was justified.

That new book about Hillary asserts Chelsea wouldn't have happened but that Bill essentially raped Hillary. He probably had to bag her even then.
il never understand why conservatives are so concerned about a politicans personal life that there "home values" stand on a more important level then there political belifs and accomplishments...i could care less if bill clinton on his personal time enjoyed having sex with dead baby seals, i would still respect him as a politician and vote for or against him accordingly...great post by marbus, unfortunately we were founded for the most part by deprived puritans with a sick sense of values and priorities, there taboos still somehow manage to play a role in the lives of most americans and the several problems of our society are apparent because of these...although it only took most European countries less then 10 years to socially and culturally recover from ultra conservative religious dictatorships such as that of franco’s
This post of yours is why you are considered a complete jackass. If a man cannot be trustworthy in his own personal life chances are he will be similiar in every aspect of his life. This of course speaks to character, obviously something you feel is unimportant.

Just what taboos are you talking about with your little diatribe?
Well by that logic atokal let me take it a step further and tell you that I am a horrible golfer…and we all know because I am a horrible golfer I perform horribly in my sex life and blow all of my income on crack, as I am horrible in every other aspect of my life…as my golf game will tell you

You fucking idiot, you suck at life period.
You had the president of the United States of America lie to the whole country, about fucking an intern. Yes it is no ones business but his own, however he lied under oath IIRC. I am sure other presidents have done so but with the exception of Nixon I do not recall any of the others getting caught.

Think about this little situation, he could not resist the temptation of messing around with an extremely average looking female while occupying the highest office in the world. So if a little pussy is all it takes to get your president to do something stupid imagine what something of real value could get him to do.

At the very least he could have waited till he was out of office before having his little fling.

One last thing, how the hell does Hillary's stance on this issue have anything to do with Christians?

Now shaddap

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » July 18, 2005, 8:58 pm

Moral politicians, heh thats a laugh.

Adelrune Argenti · Post by **Adelrune Argenti** » July 20, 2005, 10:28 pm

What I don't understand is how a video game already rated "Mature" and therefore not for anyone under 17, according to their guidelines, is now extra bad because it has simulated sex in it. Hilary talks about how it is in the hands of our children and ruining them. Hello?!? perhaps you should be looking at the parents who let their children play a mature game instead of taking on the game makers. Sheesh, can't anyone take responsibility for fucking up their kids instead of trying to blame some faceless third party?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 20, 2005, 10:41 pm

I'm curious why there hasn't been a Holocaust Sim game. Build ovens, build gas chambers, experiement on, manage the collection, transportation etc. Do this simply to challenge the ratings system.

GTA San Andreas is a pretty morally bad game all around. If Hillary and other idiots want to focus on the sex instead of the violence...make a point with something as outrageous as a Holocaust Sim and see if Hillary makes a negative statement focusing only on the appearance of naked people in the concentration camps camps.

Fistinyereyes · Post by **Fistinyereyes** » July 21, 2005, 2:48 am

I just saw a clip of Hilary talking about how the Video game industry needs to be regulated like Cigs and Alchohol.... Wtf. Vulgar movies have been around a lot longer than games, and in a lot of cases have a lot more nudity and violence.. pisses me off when politicians latch onto a single issue that they think they can rally support for ... Focusing on something you are morally against is fine, but don't go after something that is nowhere near the root of the problem

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » July 21, 2005, 3:00 am

Fistinyereyes wrote:I just saw a clip of Hilary talking about how the Video game industry needs to be regulated like Cigs and Alchohol.... Wtf. Vulgar movies have been around a lot longer than games, and in a lot of cases have a lot more nudity and violence..

and if you're under 18 you can't go into toys r us or wal-mart and buy them.

I'll be first to the line with a baseball bat when someone comes out and wants to censor games. I whole-heartedly support adult oriented games being sold only to adults however. impressionable kids have no business playing a game like san andreas, badly animated sex scenes or not.

restricting adult games to adults would probably be better in the long run anyway, creatively. the main issue is publishers and developers censoring themselves anyway. they won't put content in their game if they think they will lose sales because wal-mart will not stock it.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » July 21, 2005, 12:55 pm

are there any actual "Adult" video games in america?

miir · Post by **miir** » July 21, 2005, 1:06 pm

Drasta wrote:are there any actual "Adult" video games in america?

From the ESRB website, here is a list of all 'adult' (18+) rated video games.
Only 19 titles on that list but the 'Mature' (17+) list has 882 titles.

GTA : San Andreas is on the 'Adult' list.