Not that this is at all suprising, but the fact that its getting out and into the news is kind of amazing. I guess rigging our own elections wasn't challenging enough.....Associated Press wrote:An article in the upcoming issue of the New Yorker magazine reports that despite congressional objections, the White House went ahead with the plan to bolster the campaign of Ayad Allawi, who had been installed by the United States as Iraq's interim prime minister in 2004 and who worked closely with the CIA during his years as an Iraqi exile. Allawi, a secular Shiite, did better than expected in the election but not strongly enough to retain his leadership role.
Several details in the article, including the assertion that the program was carried out by former CIA officers and relied on funding not controlled by Congress, were disputed by officials within the White House, State Department and Congress.
Although the president does not need congressional authority for a covert operation, any such plan would require congressional funding controlled by the House and Senate intelligence committees. Officials said it would be unusual for the White House to go ahead with such a plan without that money.
Rep. Jane Harman (Calif.,) the House intelligence committee's senior Democrat, would not discuss classified information. But she said in a statement that "Congress was consulted about the Administration's posture in the Iraqi election. I was personally consulted. But if the administration did what is alleged, that would be a violation of the covert action requirements, and that would be deeply troubling."
Asked about the New Yorker article yesterday on CNN's "Late Edition," Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), a Republican member of the Senate intelligence committee, also declined to discuss details: "All I can say is that the administration has tried everything to try to bring about a successful conclusion over there."
Iraq Democracy is not that different from ours-
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Jice Virago
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Iraq Democracy is not that different from ours-
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
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Here is the entire article from the New Yorker on the same subject.[/url]
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight Eisenhower
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Don't get me wrong, a morally and financially corrupt puppet government raping the Iraqis and their resouces is, in the short term, still better for us infidels than what they had before.
But if you really think there was any intention of letting them freely choose their own leaders and direction, you're perma-tarded. There is no hope for you. Kill yourself now.
But if you really think there was any intention of letting them freely choose their own leaders and direction, you're perma-tarded. There is no hope for you. Kill yourself now.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams
Some British think tank (that i have no idea of what their political bent is), released some level of scathing indictment of the War in Iraq as "War on Terror" yesterday.
Basically, it claimed to establish that the War in Iraq has actually strengthened Al Qaeda, not the reverse.
But Dick Cheney says the insurgency is in "its death throws", so i'm sure we're all cool.
Basically, it claimed to establish that the War in Iraq has actually strengthened Al Qaeda, not the reverse.
But Dick Cheney says the insurgency is in "its death throws", so i'm sure we're all cool.
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with such compelling reasoning, how can i argue?kyoukan wrote:No, it's not.Niffoni wrote:Don't get me wrong, a morally and financially corrupt puppet government raping the Iraqis and their resouces is, in the short term, still better for us infidels than what they had before.
note my qualifiers: "for us" and "in the short term".
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams
you think a full scale military occupation and daily insurgent bombings, almost total anarchy on the streets with businesses and women's behaviour being dictating by gangs of fundamentalist islamic thugs is better off for iraq on the short term than a little tinpot dictator who opened up schools and universities for both genders, enforced secularism and enforced the law?
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Well, they're too busy killing each other!kyoukan wrote:you think a full scale military occupation and daily insurgent bombings, almost total anarchy on the streets with businesses and women's behaviour being dictating by gangs of fundamentalist islamic thugs is better off for iraq on the short term than a little tinpot dictator who opened up schools and universities for both genders, enforced secularism and enforced the law?
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. - Douglas Adams