Danica Patrick/Michelle Wie

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 13, 2005, 5:43 pm

Yes Sueven they are. Women cannot play with men in billiards either, because of strength. The break is the single reason why men and women have seperate tours. I was just discussing this with Karen Corr, who stopped in the pool hall I go to.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » July 13, 2005, 5:54 pm

Wow. That's surprising, although it's sensible. I guess she's probably the person to ask about that sort of thing.

What about, like, ping-pong? Do you need strength for that?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 13, 2005, 11:15 pm

LOL

No fucking clue man. I do like to play ping pong though. But, there are no ping pong leagues in my area that I am aware of hehe.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 14, 2005, 9:30 am

There would not ever be a woman win a tournament in professional golf. Annika is hands down the best female golfer in history and she barely scrapes near the middle of the pack. Michelle Wie is not even a middle of the pack scraper at this stage. She finished 48th against amatuer men this weekend at 8 over par. To put this in a bit of perspective, I would have most likely finished in the top 100 or so up there if I had played in it.

Pro golfers would have worn her ass out so fast that she would not have been within 15 strokes of making the cut. We just saw her not make the cut against the weakest field you will ever see on the PGA tour last weekend. No one in the top 50 on tour even played. If they had, she would not have even sniffed the cut line. All she is doing is taking exemptions from another player who might have the ever so slight chance of pulling something off. Look at that Gore kid from the U.S. Open....if Michelle friggin Wie had taken his spot she would have again missed the cut and a guy who just needed a chance would have been sitting at home watching. As it was, he made for some good drama and had a very legitimate chance at winning.

Women and men competing against each other in a tournament or league....darts, cards, bowling (maybe), curling, car racing, paintball, any sport where it is nothing but precision involved and not endurance or strength.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » July 14, 2005, 10:51 am

I honestly dont understand the backlash and hatred for Michelle Wie. She is one of the most talented golfers in all the world. Shes in the top 1% of golfers worldwide. she may be in the 80% of that top 1%, but shes still good enough to compete at that level. And she displayed it yesterday by beating a MALE heads up in match play.

Shes been participating in the Publinx Amatuer championship this week. She survived the first 2 days and made the cut. 64 players entered match play. after yesterday its down to 32. And shes still in it. If she wins this tourni (which I dont think she will) she will gain entrance to The Masters.

To say she shouldnt be there is absurd. Why shouldnt she? Because shes has next to zero chance of winning a tourni? over 3/4 of the field have next to zero chance of winning a tourni. Only the top 1% of thet top 1% are the people winning. You think the field should be limited to only those in that top 1% of the top 1%.
Do you think the winner of this tourni has a chance at winning the Masters? No. They dont. They have zero chance. That doesnt mean you do away with the competition for that spot at the Masters.

Michelle Wei is one hell of a golfer. And I for one hope shes able to make a cut here and there on the PGA. I dont think she'll ever win on tour, but if she can make the cut then she deserves to be there.

Her money will be made thru endorsements and on the LPGA. Let her try and break some boundaries on the PGA.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 14, 2005, 12:07 pm

She beat an amateur male yesterday....not a pro or even a future pro. That is a whopping big difference. She did beat some pros at the John Deere. She will beat some pros every time. So would about half of the LPGA. Why should female golfers be allowed to compete on both tours? If they want to compete against the men and take away from other men who are trying to earn a living, then they should have to give up their eligibility on the women's tour. The male golfers can't go to the LPGA to try to supplement their income.....and if the women are allowed on the PGA, then the men should be allowed in the LPGA.

If any female golfer should be trying anything it should be Annika. She has actually proven to be a winner. I seriously doubt she would ever make a cut on a PGA event. She is definitely talented and if she was a male golfer you would have never heard anything about her....because she would be incredibly average as compared to college and pro golfers.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 14, 2005, 1:13 pm

Homercles wrote:I honestly dont understand the backlash and hatred for Michelle Wie.

I read over this whole thread and don't see any hate toward Wie. Not sure what you are talking about.

BTW, hi Cles. Long time no see.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » July 14, 2005, 2:14 pm

The PGA Tour is a league of the best golfers in the world. Not the best MALE golfers. No where in the PGA ruleset does it say you have to be a man in order to be eligible for the tour.

The LPGA is a league for the best WOMEN golfers in the world. Hence the "L" at the front. That stands for Ladies

If a woman has the talent, desire, and dedication to compete on the PGA then she should be able to. Michelle Wei is meeting those requirements. She outperformed MALE pros two weeks ago at John Deere. She is outperforming MALE amatuers this week at the Publinx. She has already displayed that she has the talent to compete with those other marginal MALE pros.

Youre suggesting shes stealing their paycheck by competing against them. What a joke. If Michelle Wei (a player that will never amount to anything on the PGA) is able to outperform them, then their pro career isnt worth jack shit anyway and they should go find a job at the local golf range. Theyd be stealing her paycheck if she was refused to compete because shes a woman.

I can just picture that fringe tour golfer now "Man, I dont want Wei on this tour. Shes gonna beat me and steal my money."

Youre money isnt stolen if youre not good enough to earn the money in the first place.

And dont go on about exemptions either. Cuz all kinds of people receive those. Not just the 2 women that have been noted for it. Exemptions go out all the time to other men. Are they stealing money from those fringe pros too? Or can only a woman steal their paycheck?

Let her play. Enjoy the show. Celebrate her victories. Or celebrate her defeats. Whichever suites your mindframe.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » July 14, 2005, 2:19 pm

i havent read this thread, but i'll say this. I Tivo'd the last hour of the Indy 500 specifically because Danica Patrick was in it. outside of checking out how my company covers NASCAR on TV, i haven't tuned into motorsports otherwise this year.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 14, 2005, 2:24 pm

Well...yes they are depriving someone of the oppurtunity to make a paycheck. The male players have to finish in the top 100 of the money list to keep their PGA tour card. Does Michelle Wie have a PGA tour card? Nope. Has she been to Q school? Nope. Has she been given exemptions to play events over guys who paid their dues by actually going through it? Yup.

I would think if you were in the PGA tour pro's position...one of those bottom tier guys.....that you would be mightily pissed if it could have been you with the oppurtunity that was taken away by someone who has never had to go through the same qualifying you did.

If she wants to compete with the men, then fine.....let her do it. But she should not ever be able to double dip and play LPGA as well. Same thing with amateur status.....if you want to play as a pro on the PGA tour you give up your amateur status to make cash. If an LPGA golfer wants to play with the men, then they should have to qualify through the Q school and give up all rights to play LPGA.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » July 14, 2005, 2:39 pm

Michelle made it thru day 2 of Match Play. She did it with authority today. 6-5.

Its now down to 16 players.

4 more matches. how long can she last? Im stilling pulling for her to make the weekend

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 14, 2005, 2:40 pm

Voronwë wrote:i havent read this thread, but i'll say this. I Tivo'd the last hour of the Indy 500 specifically because Danica Patrick was in it. outside of checking out how my company covers NASCAR on TV, i haven't tuned into motorsports otherwise this year.

Because it was unique. It was a freak show. People will always tune in for a freak show. If women and men were 50/50 in racing, you would care as much then as you do now about it.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 14, 2005, 2:47 pm

She isn't done yet today. Next match starts shortly.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 14, 2005, 2:47 pm

Homercles wrote: No where in the PGA ruleset does it say you have to be a man in order to be eligible for the tour.

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Dude. I love you and all, but are you fucking serious? Are you that lacking in common sense that you do not realize history at all? Was there a need in the past to call it the MPGA, when women were treated as second class citizens? Women weren't even allowed on gold courses. Most poeople have enough common sense to realize this. Any blurring of the lines is either a media ploy for ratings or just another bullshit NOW ploy to try and say women are equal to men. They aren't. Women and men are different. And thank God for it. If we weren't then we would all be gay. WOMEN AND MEN ARE DIFFERENT!!!!

MEN ARE STRONGER THAN WOMEN!!!!

WOMEN ARE MORE EMOTIONAL THAN MEN!!!

These are irrefuteable, so fuckign stop it. Enjoy women sports if you like them. I personally will watch women sports if no men sports are on. Why would I watch a crappier version of something when given the choice? Why would I watch Star Wars on VHS when I have the DVD's sitting there on the shelf?

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » July 14, 2005, 2:55 pm

I saw some commentary on Michelle Wie yesterday and the one thing that jumped out was her age. She's still a teenager. Give her a few more years to develop and mature and she MAY be able to surpass Annika and be able to compete with the men.

As for the "Woman on the Men's Tour" thing, I can see some justification in that there is an LPGA as well as a PGA (maybe women being able to cross over will lead to some consolidation eventually?), but from the perspective of the fringe golfers, what does it matter if its a woman that beats you out or some new young buck? I do think that women wanting to cross over form the LPGA to the PGA should have to do the qualification process to get the card though, to prove merit is why they are there.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 14, 2005, 3:32 pm

Personally, I think her parents are doing her a disservice by turning her talent into this freakshow. And make no mistake, that's exactly what this is.

She would be much better served going to college early, dominating the NCAA for a couple years, and LEARNING HOW TO WIN, rather than just how to scrape by. Shit, she might even learn something OUTISDE of her sport. Crazy

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 14, 2005, 3:56 pm

One more thing. I am routing for Michelle Wie to win this event and qualify for next years Masters. I think it would make for a great story. Everybody loves a freak show.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 14, 2005, 5:21 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:One more thing. I am routing for Michelle Wie to win this event and qualify for next years Masters. I think it would make for a great story. Everybody loves a freak show.

Yes, I'm sure both Hootie and the feminazis would be in rare form should that happen.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » July 14, 2005, 5:52 pm

your wish is one step closer to reality.

Michelle won her second match of the day. She is now down to the final 8.

Only 3 people remain between her and an invitation to The Masters

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » July 14, 2005, 5:59 pm

and Hootie would welcome Wie with open arms. Hooties not anti woman. He just wont tolerate some upitty bitch issuing orders she has no business issuing.

Thats what that Masters thing was about last year. Some pissy bitch demanding Hootie allow women membership into his private club.

He still wont allow that. But he will allow, and does allow, women to play on that course.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » July 14, 2005, 6:12 pm

I didn't mean it that way, Homer. I just meant that the feminists will almost certainly show up in force if Wei makes it in, just because they know there is publicity to be had. Hootie is not a man to bite his tongue, and thus we get teh entertainments.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » July 15, 2005, 1:32 am

masteen wrote:I didn't mean it that way, Homer. I just meant that the feminists will almost certainly show up in force if Wei makes it in, just because they know there is publicity to be had. Hootie is not a man to bite his tongue, and thus we get teh entertainments.

Yes those cunts will attach their bullshit agenda to Wie who has nothing to do with their bitter nonsense.