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AMD suing intel...discuss..
BOUT FUCKING TIME. Down with Intel.
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Right on. It's so funny how a group of people hold up the competition to the number 1 companies as the "better" way.Xouqoa wrote:After owning both, I prefer Intel since you don't need one of these
to keep the heatsink and processor cool.
"Yeah man, FUCK MICROSOFT MAN!!!"
"Yeah man, FUCK INTEL MAN!!!"
"Yeah man, FUCK THE U.S. MAN!!!"
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back on topic, here is more info in a story from eWeek:
Updated: The suit says Intel violated antitrust laws by preventing PC makers from using AMD chips.
Advanced Micro Devices Inc. has filed a broad antitrust lawsuit against Intel Corp., claiming Intel illegally maintains a monopoly in the PC processor market.
AMD, which announced the suit on Tuesday, offered a long list of examples in which it says Intel has used its position, including its ability to offer product rebates or to dole out funds, to influence PC makers to limit their purchases of AMD chips.
The suit, filed Monday afternoon in Delaware, claims that Intel has violated the Sherman Antitrust Act, the Clayton Act and the California Business and Professional Code by influencing the product plans of computer makers and therefore limiting consumers' ability to choose between different types of products, AMD said in a statement.
Technically, just having a monopoly isn't against the law. But abusing the power that comes with one is.
Thus, in order for AMD to gain court intervention, it must prove first that Intel has a monopoly—that's something that's apparent when looking at the company's market share, according to AMD—and then that Intel used its dominant position to maintain the monopoly illegally. AMD said it believes that it has enough proof there as well.
The suit identifies 38 companies that AMD says Intel has pressured in one way or another. It says, for example, that Intel put pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co., whose PCs come with AMD chips, to limit its use of them.
The suit also says Intel used financial incentives in an effort to persuade Dell Inc., which does not use AMD chips, not to do so.
AMD said that it's using the suit as part of an effort to level the playing field, and that its own market share would be higher if Intel weren't using its market influence to prevent PC makers from using AMD chips.
The chip maker also says it's representing the interests of consumers. Consumers would have greater choice and their computers might ultimately cost less if Intel and AMD were able to compete more directly on technical merits and price, AMD executives said.
Shutting out AMD chips from computers keeps AMD from competing on both fronts, the company said.
"We just want to be able to go in and be able to compete product by product for business," said Drew Prairie, an AMD spokesperson. "We're coming at this from a position of strength in terms of having the best product portfolio we've ever had … and still our market share hasn't grown in the past few years the way our products would indicate it should have."
Intel, in any given quarter, typically commands around 80 percent of PC processor shipments. During the first quarter, Intel garnered 81.7 percent of the market versus AMD's 16.9 percent share, according to Mercury Research.
AMD has cooperated with several investigations of Intel's practices, including a recent action by Japan's Fair Trade Commission and an ongoing European Commission investigation into Intel's practices there.
The JFTC ruled against Intel, saying the chip maker used its position to influence several Japanese PC manufacturers to limit or eliminate AMD chips used in their systems. Intel, in response, accepted the JFTC's recommendations, which called for it to cease practices such as offering favorable prices to companies that agree to limit their use of AMD chips. But the company said it disagreed with the JFTC's finding of facts and with the application of the law in its recommendations.
Now AMD's taking the law into its own hands. Its 48-page suit details numerous cases where it says Intel took illegal action to limit companies' purchases of AMD chips or prevented them outright.
An investigation by AMD's lead outside counsel showed that after HP began using AMD chips in notebooks sold at retail, the suit says, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth-quarter 2004 rebate check. It allowed HP to make up the loss in following quarters by promising at least 90 percent of its "mainstream" retail business to Intel, AMD said in the suit.
The suit also says Intel used similar practices to entice other major customers, including Dell Inc., Gateway Inc., Hitachi Ltd., Sony Corp. and Toshiba Corp., into making Intel-exclusive deals in return for cash payments, discounted chip pricing or marketing subsidies. In addition, it used things such as rebates and so-called market development funds to get others, including Acer Corp., Fujitsu Ltd. and NEC Corp., to agree to partial exclusivity agreements.
AMD also charges that Intel established and enforced quotas that required retailers such as Best Buy and Circuit City to stock mostly or only exclusively Intel computers. AMD claims Office Depot declined to stock AMD-processor notebooks, citing the risk of retaliation.
AMD also said Intel used its position to handicap AMD systems on a technical level. Intel denied AMD access to the highest level of membership for the Advanced DRAM technology consortium and designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program's performance if operated on a computer with an AMD chip, the suit charges.
Now that AMD has filed the suit, it will enter a discovery phase as it is prepared for an eventual trial.
Starting Tuesday, companies named in the complaint and some others will receive legal notices asking them to start to maintain all documents that may be relevant to the AMD claims.
"We'll start to comb through all that data looking for evidence of Intel's wrongdoing," Prairie said. "We're expecting a long, hard fight against Intel. But eventually, we'll get into court to have the charges heard or Intel's behavior will stop" as part of some sort of settlement.
AMD is also encouraging regulators around the world to take a closer look at Intel. The European Commission, for example, continues its own investigation.
"We think a number of folks will continue to take a look at it," Prairie said. "I'm sure as we turn over documents and evidence that may be of interest to other parties that will help further investigations."
Intel representatives could not immediately be reached for comment.
Editor's Note: This story was updated to include more comments from AMD executives.
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I'm liking the AMD 64 X2s. I've been all Intel specifically due to the temperature issues and because Intel had better chips until recently.Stragi wrote:you're aware that amd chips are faster, cooler, and architecually more advanced than any intel chip out there now?
the year 2000 was like 50 years ago in computer land, get with the times doc brown!
From what I'm gathering, the AMD 64 Dual Cores (not that the dual core matters much in games yet) performs better in games and the dual core Intel chips are still better with business apps.
Intel dual core chips are a lot cheaper atm though. The AMD 64 X2 I want runs around 1K right now. That's too fucking high!
I won't be upgrading until ATi releases their r520 grapics cards. The new nVidia 7800's aren't that much of an improvement over the 6800's to make it worth the upgrade.
