6-3-2005 2 more Iraqi children

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

It is only a matter of time before a stupid, hate-filled, religious wacko goes and commits another horrid act of terrorism on the US of A. I bet you can't wait either. What a giggle you will get when you first hear of the news. You sick hypocritical fuck.

Like you have any fucking room to talk you dumbshit. With classic one liners as "Fuck Muslims" and your blind faith to W, who is as religous as it gets, how can you say that with a clear mind? You really don't get it do you? Over in Iraq, the 'insurgents' are probably saying the exact same thing about us. And when it comes to people like you, they are spot on.

To clarify, because it is necessary to do so, the same thing you said about them, can be said about you. (of course switch US of A with Iraq)

There it is right there. The fact you actually believe this bullshit, is so fucking scary. How the fuck could you compare a civilized society to any country in the middle east, especially Iraq? Holy fuck man, you have some serious problems.

[Cartalas]

No one's feelings are getting hurt.

If we (by which I mean the anti murder 'brigade') had decided to post everytime one of your fucking gun crazy murdering soldier assholes killed an innocent person then the CE forum would be spammed to teh point of a server crash.

Go ahead and amuse yourself dickheads, you're the fuckers who are gonna have another 9/11 on your hands.

Well done.

Tenny is that you in the midddle?
http://cfrterrorism.org/images/photos/uvf_pic.jpg

[Nick]

No i'm the one on the left

Lol@Midnyte/Metanis

[Zamtuk]

There it is right there. The fact you actually believe this bullshit, is so fucking scary. How the fuck could you compare a civilized society to any country in the middle east, especially Iraq? Holy fuck man, you have some serious problems.

Then why are they attacking us in Iraq, you stupid shit? Is it because they are animals that only lust for the blood of Americans? Wait, don't answer that, I forgot who I was asking.

Though I see your reading comprehension and ability to form a coherant response is still as horrible as ever. How you could deduct that I have problems by making my last statement? Did you actually read it? It's obvious that you (and you aren't alone here) blanket all Iraqi's/muslims under the thought that they are stupid and inferior. I can compare them, because I know they are capable of human thought that is independent of what their ex-overlord fed them all those years. You can't, because you don't believe they are equal to us. And that is how we were caught with our pants down on 9/11, with people thinking just like you.

Seeing as how you are so patriotic, I would love to see you spend a week over there and come back sporting those exact same opinions you have of them.

[Zaelath]

There it is right there. The fact you actually believe this bullshit, is so fucking scary. How the fuck could you compare a civilized society to any country in the middle east, especially Iraq? Holy fuck man, you have some serious problems.

Hey, look on the bright side, at least this sack of shit isn't a social worker.

[Forthe]

I can look at the situation from both sides, why can't the rest of you? Insurgents are fighting for a cause they believe is right, the United States is fighting for a cause that... well, I won't say we believe is right, but some of you and most of our administration do.

If you truly look at the situation from both sides and you cannot fathom the incredible difference in the legitamacy of each side then you sir are an idiot.

1) Study the stated objectives of each side.
2) Study the methods used by each side.
2) Review the history of each side's treatment of prisoners.

No contest in understanding unless you are a close-minded anti-Muslim racist who believes they should be ruled by tyrants and dictatorial religious fanatics.

Man you have a fucked up view of things, legitimacy?

1) Iraqis have a legitimate right to resist an invading nation. And I'm sure most of us would use any and all means to combat an invading force if it was our own country.

The US has no legitimate reason for being there...zero...none.

2) Stated objectives? Who can believe anything the US government says these days, and what stated objectives from the insurgents other than foreigners get out?

3) You send prisoners to foreign countries to be tortured. You torture them yourselves, unsanctioned isolated incidences of course.....but widespread isolated incidences that either proves incompetence or acceptance. You lock innocent people up for years then release them without even charging them with anything. Not your strongest card to be playing.

Legitimacy?

International law does not allow for invasions because you want to spread your religion\form of government or you covet your neighbors natural resources, it is reserved for self defense.

You played your weak ass self defense card, that anyone with a brain saw as bullshit, to justify the invasion and that has proven completely false. There goes any and all arguments of legitimacy.

Now some of the more morally weak of you seem to accept the fact you were lied to in order to support the war but justify those lies based on a national oil interest argument. Remember how bad Saddam was for invading Kuwait, the thing that started all this, in an argument over oil. I assume then you think Saddam was justified in his invasion.

Others want to justify this as spreading democracy and how the Iraqis will be better off. Tell all the dead Iraqis and their families they are better off. Why not try to forcibly convert them to Christianity while you force a form of government on them.

Legitimacy my ass.

[Winnow]

Oh please. The United Nations got all excited when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The problem is, the UNITED STATES was the only country that could do anything about it. Sure it was a joint effort but if the U.S. said "aww fuck it, let them have the stupid little country" Iraq would still be in Kuwait raping away or in Saudi Arabia as well because the Euro bozos and other non factors like Canada weren't about to do anything worthwhile on their own...oh sanctions...tee hee...yeah, they worked well! The UN would be sending their 50th strongly worded letter about now, threatening even more sanctions if Saddam continued past Saudi Arabia.

The big picture is that Saddam was going to take all he could get, he lost because the U.S. acted swiftly and decisively but he wasn't about to stop trying to cause havok on the international scene.

Love us or hate us. I can't stand the fuckers that flip flop back and forth like pussies. The United States is the face of the western world but you jackasses are living the "dream" as well. You just don't have to fight for it or be terrorized for it.

[Xyun]

The United States is the face of the western world but you jackasses are living the "dream" as well. You just don't have to fight for it or be terrorized for it.

LMAO. You are incredibly fucking naive. For fuck's sake you honestly believe that the US is the only country fighting for freedom, or being terrorized! Wow, that's fucking rich. It's as if growing up in suburbia, USA not only gave you the wisdom and experience of fighting for your freedom but also the privelege to come here and flaunt your expertise on the subject with the certitude of a mathematician. The reality is that you're a weak sheltered white boy whose worst hardships in life are the current losing streak of your local basketball team or having to gauge the amount of fucking caffein you drink in a day. Sadly, your actual knowledge of things such as struggle, hardship, survival, and fighting for your family, your rights, and your freedom is limited to what the mexican janitors tell you in your fucking office building. You can fucking pretend to know about this shit all you want but it only flies with the 100 million other ignorant deluded bastards that are JUST LIKE YOU in this country. I think you should stick to taking immature pot shots at canadians and leave the real debate to those with a clue before you embarrass yourself any further you fucking cockophile.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Seeing as how you are so patriotic, I would love to see you spend a week over there and come back sporting those exact same opinions you have of them.

Nah. People like me would have paid attention when people said Osama wants to attack us using planes. People like me would have held hearings and investigations and meetings once I was elected, instead of waiting 18 months. That is one of the things I am not happy with the Bush Administration about.

[Winnow]

whose worst hardships in life are the current losing streak of your local basketball team

You got me there! Suns > Saddam

If we're going over this weak sheltered life thing again, please tell me who here has had it rough. Noone? OK, we're all on an equal playing field when it comes to the oppressed. Rough life != escaping into the world of drugs.

I won't get into the places I've been. You can go find a reply to Karae a year or so back in the sports forum of all places on that subject. I'll venture to guess I've lived outside my own country and seen more of the world in person than 98% of the people on this board and that's still just a miniscule amount. But why get into a sheltered vs unshaven armpit debate? You've already lost when you need to pull out that crap because your own words mean even less when it turns out you've done jack shit compared to the other person besides more drugs and an extra 10K hands of poker.

If Canada was the super power (serious fantasyland here), I'd be cheering them on to go kick some ass so I could keep my internet and pr0n flowing.....oh...but they'd act differently if they were in our position...as would germany (lol), and the rest of the euro nations if one assumed as much power as the United States has presently. It comes down to hating the top dog no matter who it is. (except that jesus guy...I guess he was perfect!...put him in charge!)

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

1) Iraqis have a legitimate right to resist an invading nation. And I'm sure most of us would use any and all means to combat an invading force if it was our own country.

I am pretty sure that if someone invaded the U.S. that I would not be car bombing a U.S. police station. I am alsso fairly certain I would not be shooting my own people or sending bombs into other establishments to kill U.S. citizens. That is not combating an enemy force in any way. It is nothing more than people looking for an excuse to kill anyone they can.

[Lohrno]

Liberals are the communists of the 21st century.

I agree.

Yeah. People put the liberal label on you if you disagree slightly, try to blacklist you, etc. Get boycotts going. I meant that in the witchhunt way, not the literal way in case it wasn't clear.

If it's not clear, put the word 'witch' in place of liberal. I only wish you could have a conversation with a real radical liberal so you could realize how funny it is labeling us such.

[Animale]

Nah. People like me would have paid attention when people said Osama wants to attack us using planes. People like me would have held hearings and investigations and meetings once I was elected, instead of waiting 18 months. That is one of the things I am not happy with the Bush Administration about.

Yet you still voted for them to have another shot at it... WAY TO GO!!!!

Animale

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Nah. People like me would have paid attention when people said Osama wants to attack us using planes. People like me would have held hearings and investigations and meetings once I was elected, instead of waiting 18 months. That is one of the things I am not happy with the Bush Administration about.

Yet you still voted for them to have another shot at it... WAY TO GO!!!!

Animale

OMG , here we go again. Did you motherfuckers have parents to teach you anything growing up? Just because you might disagree with someones decision, once, twice, 20 times, doesn't mean you disregard that person entirely. I have daily battles with Nick, Sylvos, and some others here and they type as if they really hate me, and I have said some nasty things about them I think too, but I would gladly open my home to any of them and make them dinner, share a bottle of wine and talk the night away. That includes Kyocunt. You people need to stop being so damn stubborn.

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

1) Iraqis have a legitimate right to resist an invading nation. And I'm sure most of us would use any and all means to combat an invading force if it was our own country.

I am pretty sure that if someone invaded the U.S. that I would not be car bombing a U.S. police station. I am alsso fairly certain I would not be shooting my own people or sending bombs into other establishments to kill U.S. citizens. That is not combating an enemy force in any way. It is nothing more than people looking for an excuse to kill anyone they can.

Just as a point of interest, the european resistance we today think of as 'Freedom Fighters' did that, and more, during WW2, to those who were seen as collaborators or fraternizers.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Well, you are a group of savages.

[Niffoni]

If Canada was the super power (serious fantasyland here), I'd be cheering them on to go kick some ass so I could keep my internet and pr0n flowing.....oh...but they'd act differently if they were in our position...as would germany (lol), and the rest of the euro nations if one assumed as much power as the United States has presently. It comes down to hating the top dog no matter who it is. (except that jesus guy...I guess he was perfect!...put him in charge!)

Frankly, that's the point of all the "whining" (sometimes it really IS whining, sometimes it's a call for accountability) is a vital part of keeping the world safe. America's not the bad guy. Nobody is really the bad guy in the long run. It's just a power struggle. But America's got the big stick, and now that we live in a world where something that affects one of us affects us all on a global scale eventually (a few of you could use a lesson in this sort of socio-physics). So frankly, it's up to people to bare their teeth and remind the one with the big stick "We're watching you", because no matter who has it (Canada, Italy, Blechistan), they're going to misuse it if left unchecked. That's not an American trait, it's a human one.

The only reason one country has never conquered the entire planet is because they can't. For one reason or another. The west, and America in particular, take all the shit because they, as the most powerful, must remain the most accountable, or else the world collectively decides that it's time for someone else to take over. They're not saintly enough that they WOULDN'T take everything they could steal if no one could watch them, and there was no chance of reproach (See: P2P filesharing if you doubt the human attitude towards consequence-free immorality).

I know some Americans harbour the fantasy that they're going to run the show forever. Please. As if Southeast Asia won't own us all in 100 years. I doubt anyone on this board truly believes that, but frighteningly, there are some to do. Yeah, all roads USED to lead to Rome, but the sun DID eventually set on the British Empire.

Let me summarize this really quick for the slow-witted (or those too busy to read my rambling horseshit) :

- The United States, right now, on the whole are BETTER for the world, as a superpower, than the people they are fighting.

- The above is the reason the world supports the United States and NOT the terrorists, but it is ALSO the same reason why the U.S. is held to a higher standard than the terrorists. Because THE STATES ARE THE GOOD GUYS

- If the U.S. DIDN'T have the moral high-ground, and didn't seem slightly less insane than the Islamic fundies, then the world would be supporting the terrorists, because there would no longer be any reason not to.

- Accountability keeps America "honest". At least more honest than the fucking terrorists.

Oh, and if we can't get Jesus, is Spiderman available? He understands the responsibility that comes with Sooper Powars!

[Sueven]

I would just like to endorse Niffoni's post.

[Fash]

very well said niffoni, though I can't agree that asia will 'own us all'...

every country wishes they could claim it all... globalism is inevitable, the question is does humanity survive long enough for it to happen.

[Niffoni]

Honestly, I kinda wish I hadn't said that part. Now either China will become the Big One, or the U.S. will rule for all eternity just to prove me wrong ;p

[Winnow]

Not a bad post Niffoni. I've got my eye on you!

Accountability is important but as I stated in an earlier post somewhere, the truth is really all about oil and the absolute need for oil. The paradox lies in that the need for oil isn't enough to fight for in the minds of many although the resulting upheaval in American and soon after, all western nations from the lack of oil's affect on how we live, doesn't click with most. That's where your lack of accountability originates...and also why although other western countries will whine, they know what this is all about even if the common citizen doesn't.

The United States isn't out to conquer anyone. The sole purpose is to allow the U.S and it's allies to live in relative peace. We aren't stealing oil. The middle east has, and can again, get very rich off of western countries simply by selling oil and not invading other countries or threatening the rest of the world.

I believe the United States, if it had the choice, would be an isolationist country. It worked well for us between the Civil War and WW1. Of course we weren't completely isolated but much more than after the big wars forced the entire planet to interact again.

I whoeheartedly support whining about alternative energy research. All the U.S. wants is its oil and not to be attacked through terror or invasion. Since the world is one big trading machine, the stability of governments and desire for non aggressive governments is key. An unstable middle east including countries bent on taking over other countries doesn't fit the vision. World stability and oil. That's all. Come up with an alternative energy source that the present rich can remain rich off of but reduce our dependance on oil and the we're left with just wanting a stable world in which free trade can take place.

[Niffoni]

Well said.

EDIT: I agree that while we need "noise" it generally degenerates into "whining". Surely people can have a less obnoxious dialogue than that.

"Blah blah blah American Imperialism, blah blah"

"Blah blah blah Terrorists Hate Freedom, blah blah"

Sure, both arguments are BASED in reality, and still serve their purpose, but they get lost in the less accurate, easily-chanted slogans.

[Nick]

Niffoni ftw!

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

Well, you are a group of savages.

...

[Forthe]

Well, you are a group of savages.

Ever watch Red Dawn? Did you cheer for the commies?

[Winnow]

Well, you are a group of savages.

Ever watch Red Dawn? Did you cheer for the commies?

Was the U.S. being run by a dictator that had killed 50 thousand of his own people in the past few years in that movie? Had the U.S. been lobbing Scuds into Mexico and Canada trying to spark a religious war? Don't throw out those cutsie comparisons unless they are remotely in the same ballpark.

Did you cheer Saddam when he invaded Kuwait? ...bummed out because the 4th plane didn't hit the White House on 911?

Fucking Americans. The world would be a better place without the United States.

[Nick]

Yeah the US has never sparked ethnic civil wars or religious wars by undercover attacks.

This endless incorrect assumption that if you don't support the US in everything it does you automatically cheered when 9/11/terrorist killing innocent people happened is just blatantly ignorant.

[Zaelath]

You're either with US, or against US!

.... followed by .....

"The coalition of the willing"

Ehehehehe...

Almost as funny as Bush trying to pull "disembling" out in a speech the other day to make himself look smart, but fucking up and saying "disassembling" because he's just that fucking ignorant. No wonder Mid is a fan, Bush is living the dream for all the under-educated masses in the heartland.

(of course, his stupidity is all just a brilliant plan to remove focus from what a horror his administration is, and put it on the dancing monkey at the microphone)

[Zamtuk]

we didn't spark a religous war, they did. there are muslims in the US army...

this isn't ireland we are talking about.

[Sparck]

If Canada was the super power (serious fantasyland here), I'd be cheering them on to go kick some ass so I could keep my internet and pr0n flowing.....oh...but they'd act differently if they were in our position...as would germany (lol), and the rest of the euro nations if one assumed as much power as the United States has presently. It comes down to hating the top dog no matter who it is. (except that jesus guy...I guess he was perfect!...put him in charge!)

Frankly, that's the point of all the "whining" (sometimes it really IS whining, sometimes it's a call for accountability) is a vital part of keeping the world safe. America's not the bad guy. Nobody is really the bad guy in the long run. It's just a power struggle. But America's got the big stick, and now that we live in a world where something that affects one of us affects us all on a global scale eventually (a few of you could use a lesson in this sort of socio-physics). So frankly, it's up to people to bare their teeth and remind the one with the big stick "We're watching you", because no matter who has it (Canada, Italy, Blechistan), they're going to misuse it if left unchecked. That's not an American trait, it's a human one.

The only reason one country has never conquered the entire planet is because they can't. For one reason or another. The west, and America in particular, take all the shit because they, as the most powerful, must remain the most accountable, or else the world collectively decides that it's time for someone else to take over. They're not saintly enough that they WOULDN'T take everything they could steal if no one could watch them, and there was no chance of reproach (See: P2P filesharing if you doubt the human attitude towards consequence-free immorality).

I know some Americans harbour the fantasy that they're going to run the show forever. Please. As if Southeast Asia won't own us all in 100 years. I doubt anyone on this board truly believes that, but frighteningly, there are some to do. Yeah, all roads USED to lead to Rome, but the sun DID eventually set on the British Empire.

Let me summarize this really quick for the slow-witted (or those too busy to read my rambling horseshit) :

- The United States, right now, on the whole are BETTER for the world, as a superpower, than the people they are fighting.

- The above is the reason the world supports the United States and NOT the terrorists, but it is ALSO the same reason why the U.S. is held to a higher standard than the terrorists. Because THE STATES ARE THE GOOD GUYS

- If the U.S. DIDN'T have the moral high-ground, and didn't seem slightly less insane than the Islamic fundies, then the world would be supporting the terrorists, because there would no longer be any reason not to.

- Accountability keeps America "honest". At least more honest than the fucking terrorists.

Oh, and if we can't get Jesus, is Spiderman available? He understands the responsibility that comes with Sooper Powars!

Now that's telling it like it is. Excellent post.

[Hesten]

Well, you are a group of savages.

...

Well, hes right, we are . Actually most of the world are, seen with US eyes it seems.
Just make you happy that most of europe managed to ship a good load of our criminals and religious fanatics over there to colonize

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Well, you are a group of savages.

Ever watch Red Dawn? Did you cheer for the commies?

Take it easy there you fucking retards. I was just jabbing at the Swede and was not serious. For fucks sake.


And for the record numnuts, did you happen to notice that in Red Dawn that the band of insurgents didn't send car bombs into their own people? Maybe that should be sent as a training video to those wonderful freedom fights in Iraq. Praise Allah!

[Kelshara]

It becomes a definition issue of who are your own people, that is the nasty thing about fighting a guerrilja war on your own territory against a superiorly equipped occupation force. I had family in the Norwegian resistance during WWII and they had to ignore the chance of innocent casualties to get the job done. And they took out Norwegians who worked with the German forces as well.

A war on your own territory is a lot messier than fighting one away from your homeland. Luckily the US has not had to experience this since the Civil War.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

I love when the truth comes out. Look at all these people who are suppoting the terrorists. Haha. I love you guys.

[miir]

I love when the truth comes out. Look at all these people who are suppoting the terrorists. Haha. I love you guys.

There's a big difference between supporting them and understanding their motives.

But you live in a world of absolutes, so I understand why you can quite comprehend the difference.

[Forthe]

Well, you are a group of savages.

Ever watch Red Dawn? Did you cheer for the commies?

Take it easy there you fucking retards. I was just jabbing at the Swede and was not serious. For fucks sake.


And for the record numnuts, did you happen to notice that in Red Dawn that the band of insurgents didn't send car bombs into their own people? Maybe that should be sent as a training video to those wonderful freedom fights in Iraq. Praise Allah!

I recall them blowing up a diner in a civilian area, executing a traitor from their own group, and the portrayal of the evil collaborator major. None of which struck me as extremist considering the circumstances of the movie.

My point was not to compare the movie to Iraq in particular. The point is any of us might react in the very same way if we were in the same type of situation. Honestly, try to see this from another perspective. Believing these people are wrong does not preclude you from understanding their motivations.