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Newsweek "erred" in Koran desecration report

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newsweek magazine on Sunday said it erred in a May 9 report that said U.S. interrogators desecrated the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, and apologized to the victims of deadly Muslim protests sparked by the article.
Morons killing themselves over something printed in a left-wing outhouse rag. /boggle

Sorta like selling your house and getting packed for a trip because the National Enquirer headline claimed the little green men were coming.

Of course 92% of this board believed it without so much as a twinge of doubt. Did any of you survive the riots?
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At least when the left or middle ground-media (I'm not buying that the media is vastly left wing.) make a mistake, they own up to it. Unlike some people.
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Lohrno wrote:At least when the left or middle ground-media (I'm not buying that the media is vastly left wing.) make a mistake, they own up to it. Unlike some people.
Do you have proof of your statement? I know you don't. But keep putting it out there to continue to taint the weak minded easily influenced tards like yourself.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lohrno wrote:At least when the left or middle ground-media (I'm not buying that the media is vastly left wing.) make a mistake, they own up to it. Unlike some people.
Do you have proof of your statement? I know you don't. But keep putting it out there to continue to taint the weak minded easily influenced tards like yourself.
Gimme a sec, I'll go get some. Should be easy enough.

Ok to be fair to Fox they apologized for making up a whole story and making fake Kerry quotes. Still doesn't excuse that...

Here are some links for you...


Drudge report - They routinely pull fake stories without even a word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Rep ... the_Report


Fox biased?! Nooooo...
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

About Fox fake reporting...
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/20187
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Whoever thinks the American media is left wing is living in a fucking dreamworld.
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thats a pretty bad mistake.
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Nick wrote:Whoever thinks the American media is left wing is living in a fucking dreamworld.
everyone says CNN is biased to the left, my bro even calls it the clinton news network...but i have never seen it, at moments it has articles that praise certain aspects of the left, but they have an equal amount of articles that praise the right, also, the few times ive watched wolf blitzer one of there main reporters he seemed to have a bit of a right wing biased

can someone please post an article or an example showing how CNN is "biased"...TIME magazine also seems to have a right-wing turn listing "bush:american revolutionary" as man of the year, yet everyone claims it as part of the left-wing media conspiracy
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I think it comes down to the personality of people rating these things. The right are much more "black and white"; if you sleep with both men and women you're gay not bi, and if you run any content from the left you're a pinko bastard. If you're in the centre you're not on the right, so you're on the left.

OTOH, FOX appear to be using a cumulative balance to support their slogan; ie, everyone else are so far to the left, and there's so many of them, they have to be to the right of Thatcher to balance the scales.
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Daryn Kagan who is the CNN anchor from 10a- noon dates Rush Limbaugh! :p

"liberal media bias" is talk radio propaganda. They do it to make their listeners feel like the radio programs are the only place they can get "accurate" information, thus making the radio shows CRITICAL LISTENING.

most major media outlets in the United States are owned by monster corporations, all most all of which are publically traded companies. Fox, CNN, NBC News, CBS News, Time Magazine, the New York Times, all have a bias in common.

That bias is they have to be profitable.

the Newsweek story is a terrible mistake.

They went with the story based on a single source, which from my (limited) understanding of journalism, is a risky proposition. My understanding is that where I work, they do not run with stories unless they can get a second source or confirmation.

What this whole Newsweek situation also demonstrates about "bias", is that there is a massively competitive media marketplace in this country. Being the first to break a story can mean a lot of publicity and a lot of opportunity for your ad sales team to make some money (get back to the bias thing...).

So there is pressure everywhere to be first. But being first and wrong can do more harm than good.

Look at what CBS News ran into last year with the Bush National Guard story. THey rushed that story through and got totally burned. They have lost tons of money because of that. The worst thing you can do as a news source is damage the trust that the public has in your brand. If people do not trust that your brand is giving them accurate information, then you have a long term survival problem. So you have to always balance "breaking" a story like this carefully, and Newsweek is getting burned bad.
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That's a pretty big fuckin' oopsie.

And unlike Rove's minions, Newsweek doesn't have a military to save them when they oopsie on a global scale.
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Lohrno wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lohrno wrote:At least when the left or middle ground-media (I'm not buying that the media is vastly left wing.) make a mistake, they own up to it. Unlike some people.
Do you have proof of your statement? I know you don't. But keep putting it out there to continue to taint the weak minded easily influenced tards like yourself.
Gimme a sec, I'll go get some. Should be easy enough.

Ok to be fair to Fox they apologized for making up a whole story and making fake Kerry quotes. Still doesn't excuse that...

Here are some links for you...


Drudge report - They routinely pull fake stories without even a word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Rep ... the_Report


Fox biased?! Nooooo...
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

About Fox fake reporting...
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/20187
First....Drudgereport posts tons of breaking stories before any checking at all, then brings them down if supporting information disproves the story. All stories, whether pro-democrat or anti-democrat.

In regards to your others 2 links, you could go on google and find thousands of opinion article just like those detailing the liberal bias in the media.

To those who more closely align themselves with the republican platform, many see there is a bias. To those who more closely align themselves with the democratic platform, don't see that such a bias exists. Maybe it's there, maybe it isn't. No matter how long we discuss it, no one will convince everyone 100% either way.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:First....Drudgereport posts tons of breaking stories before any checking at all, then brings them down if supporting information disproves the story. All stories, whether pro-democrat or anti-democrat.
No apologies or retractions either. Show me a pro dem story from them as well...
In regards to your others 2 links, you could go on google and find thousands of opinion article just like those detailing the liberal bias in the media.
Sure, but one of those links details how Fox MADE UP quotes. They did apologize for it, which kinda goes against my original assertion as far as they are concerned, but it still shows a greater lack of journalistic integrity. Fox is also well known for this kind of thing. On any given day I could probably find something that was not true. I don't hear this kind of thing about CNN too often...
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No more well known than CBS and Dan Rather and the lies he has portrayed over the past couple decades.
DEM CHAIRMAN DEAN RIPS DELAY: 'GO BACK TO HOUSTON , SERVE JAIL SENTENCE'...
Lucas jabs at 'Bush's empire'...

Look everyday at his site, then you will have the foundation and where with all not to make such one sided stupid statements.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
DEM CHAIRMAN DEAN RIPS DELAY: 'GO BACK TO HOUSTON , SERVE JAIL SENTENCE'...
That's the headline. The story could be (and probably is) "Look at those Dems attacking poor Tom Delay...."

Lucas jabs at 'Bush's empire'...
"Look, Holywood is a haven of liberals!"

Still they do routinely pull stories that are fabrications. And still he is NOT unbiased at all.
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As for the "Liberal Media" pablum:
The New York Times wrote:Mr. Isikoff is, famously, the journalist who discovered the liaison between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky, and it was his reporting that led to impeachment proceedings against the president.

Lucianne Goldberg, the literary agent for Linda R. Tripp, the Pentagon employee who tape-recorded Ms. Lewinsky's descriptions of her meetings with Mr. Clinton, recalled Mr. Isikoff yesterday: "He just showed up one day at Linda's office. We don't know how he got in there." She added: "I found him infuriatingly professional. He crossed all the t's, dotted all the i's, double-sourced everything and drove us all crazy. He's like an old beat reporter - kind of a throwback, for someone his age."
yep definitely liberal, anti-GOP bias in his reportage!
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I just heard on the channel 4 news that a prisoner from Guantanamo Bay (since released without charge) has in fact stated that US Soldiers threw the Quran onto the ground. Which is symbolically a desecration.

And since symbology is a big part of religion.....
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it's never REALLY about religion, it's always about politics. even in the middle east.
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nobody wrote:it's never REALLY about religion, it's always about politics. even in the middle east.
actually that couldnt be furhter from the truth. Religion IS politics. especially in the middle east.

Imagine a presidential candidate in the US running who was an atheist. That might actually be more repugnant to the masses than a Jewish person running. PErhaps....
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that's what i mean though, the two are never really seperated no matter where you go.
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Apparantly the Red Cross is saying they saw this stuff happening too in not isolated situiations.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/19/icrc.quran/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The International Committee of the Red Cross gathered "credible" reports about U.S. personnel at the Guantanamo Bay naval base disrespecting the Quran and raised the issue with the Pentagon several times, a group spokesman said Thursday.
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OK who the fuck is editting at CNN these days? Seriously. Read the sentence Sionistic quoted. They were "disrespecting" the Quran? No they were showing disrespect to it. Disrespect is not a fucking verb unless you get into the slang sub-language that some people wish to insist is acceptable in public. This is not the lony example of this lately which leads to the question: where did the sense of professionalism for these people disappear to? Is it a victim of their wish to appear to be "cool" with the ill-educated? I realize my grammar and spelling may not always be up to par but I don't earn a paycheque writing for an internationally recognized media outlet...
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Wulfran wrote:OK who the fuck is editting at CNN these days? Seriously. Read the sentence Sionistic quoted. They were "disrespecting" the Quran? No they were showing disrespect to it. Disrespect is not a fucking verb unless you get into the slang sub-language that some people wish to insist is acceptable in public. This is not the lony example of this lately which leads to the question: where did the sense of professionalism for these people disappear to? Is it a victim of their wish to appear to be "cool" with the ill-educated? I realize my grammar and spelling may not always be up to par but I don't earn a paycheque writing for an internationally recognized media outlet...
Maybe they were quoting the hip kids working at the ICRC?...:D

Seriously though, more and more often I see this sort of crap in print/publication...I wonder if grammar is taught these days. I regularly see problems with subject-verb agreement, conjugation and obvious errata making it to final copy.
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Well I can tell you that I'm 21 and have completed a 'rigorous' english curriculum in high school and a number of english writing courses in college, and I've probably spent one or two hours of my life learning grammar.
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Hmm... maybe this story wasn't so made up after all?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/26/quran/index.html

Yet another example of how, in our lust to "fight terrorism" the U.S. military/intelligence establishment has managed to destroy our credibility abroad. Oh, and I hope Newsweek sticks it to 'em good with their follow-up to this.

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I hope they did do it. They should do whatever they need to get the information they need. Why should a US soldier give a fuck about the enemies religion? It's not the soldiers fault their religion is so fucked up that hurting the stupid book makes them go wacko. LOL

I love how open and progressive you assholes are when it pertains to anything other than the US and anything normal in general. HA HA
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I hope they did do it. They should do whatever they need to get the information they need. Why should a US soldier give a fuck about the enemies religion? It's not the soldiers fault their religion is so fucked up that hurting the stupid book makes them go wacko. LOL

I love how open and progressive you assholes are when it pertains to anything other than the US and anything normal in general. HA HA
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I hope they did do it. They should do whatever they need to get the information they need. Why should a US soldier give a fuck about the enemies religion? It's not the soldiers fault their religion is so fucked up that hurting the stupid book makes them go wacko. LOL

I love how open and progressive you assholes are when it pertains to anything other than the US and anything normal in general. HA HA
Because oh I dont know, maybe it will increase the amount of people shooting at them?
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How exactly this article equates touching the Quran to torture I still cannot fathom. I am going to hazard a guess and here and say that the exact same lefties who are saying how this is torture also have been the ones who have made atheist claims and anti-religion posts on this very board.
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Sionistic wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:I hope they did do it. They should do whatever they need to get the information they need. Why should a US soldier give a fuck about the enemies religion? It's not the soldiers fault their religion is so fucked up that hurting the stupid book makes them go wacko. LOL

I love how open and progressive you assholes are when it pertains to anything other than the US and anything normal in general. HA HA
Because oh I dont know, maybe it will increase the amount of people shooting at them?
But, why? Why should anyone know what they are doing? Why is the media involved in the war we are waging? Since when does what newsweek have to say mean shit to what our military is doing?
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Why should anybody know about the beheadings? Why is the media involved in the war they are waging?
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Did you just compare someone being beheaded to an interrogator putting his hand on a bible?
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Did you just compare someone being beheaded to an interrogator putting his hand on a bible?
I thought he was commenting on the role of the media. Maybe the media should obly report the bad stuff the other side does? Or maybe you prefer they only report on things that you consider serious?
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Yes I commented on the role of the media which certain people want to be one-sided to say the least. And a bit more than putting a hand on was done.
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Kelshara wrote:Why should anybody know about the beheadings? Why is the media involved in the war they are waging?
I would rather not see the beheadings. Although I would venture to guess, that the whole point is for us to see the beheadings. Your attempt at an analogy has failed.
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No actually you proved the point. You want censorship that fits you and your wishes. Just like the little Bush boy you are.
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You are really reaching here to find the U.S. doing something wrong.
The five suspect incidents were among 13 involving alleged mishandling that were culled from a review of about 31,000 documents representing three years worth of records

In six of the 13 incidents, a guard "either accidentally touched a Quran, touched it within the scope of his duties, or did not actually touch the Quran at all," he said. "We considered each of these incidents resolved."

In the other two incidents -- both involving interrogators -- "we found that a Quran was either touched or stood over during an interrogation. The first incident does not appear to be mishandling, as it involved placing two Qurans on a television," Hood said.
Oh my Allah no! Someone stood over it! These infidels must be punished!
Investigators also identified 15 separate incidents where detainees themselves mishandled or inappropriately treated the Quran, said Hood, who noted he believes current guidance for the guard force on the island "is adequate."
Well, I guess we better slap on additional charges for these detainees since you believe the U.S. military should apparently be charged as war criminals for it.
Hood did address FBI documents released Wednesday by the American Civil Liberties Union in which one detainee alleged in August 2002 that guards had flushed a copy of the Quran in a toilet.
OK...somehow they got an entire book to flush. This toilet cannot be following current U.S. plumbing codes and I think you guys are onto something with this.

Oh...wait a second....
Hood said the man who had made the complaint was interviewed again later.
Well what did he say this time?
"We then proceeded to ask him about any incidents where he had seen the Quran defiled, desecrated or mishandled, and he allowed as how he hadn't, but he had heard guards at some point in time had done this," Hood said.

Ahhhhhh....so he heard that it happened. Gosh......we should prosecute every guard because somsone spread a rumor.


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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:How exactly this article equates touching the Quran to torture I still cannot fathom. I am going to hazard a guess and here and say that the exact same lefties who are saying how this is torture also have been the ones who have made atheist claims and anti-religion posts on this very board.
I looked through the entire thread and you were the only person to bring up torture.

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Kinda funny how when its the bible the left side laughs and says its a BOOK!!!, But when its the Quran OMG the injustice!!!!
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Cartalas wrote:Kinda funny how when its the bible the left side laughs and says its a BOOK!!!, But when its the Quran OMG the injustice!!!!
Injustice? Fuck no. Stupid? Hell yeah.
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Forthe wrote:
Cartalas wrote:Kinda funny how when its the bible the left side laughs and says its a BOOK!!!, But when its the Quran OMG the injustice!!!!
Another "I have no real argument so I'm going to make shit up" post.
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Cartalas wrote:Kinda funny how when its the bible the left side laughs and says its a BOOK!!!, But when its the Quran OMG the injustice!!!!
Personally I wouldnt care if I followed a certain belief and someone trashed my holy book. Its the other fucking wackjobs we are trying not to stir.
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This story was still the headliner on many News web sites yesterday. To me of course it's a non-story. I sincerely believe many other Americans also asked themselves, "what's the big deal?". I think it further marginalizes both the Left and the MSM in the eyes of "normal" people.

The false indignation is transparent... pathetically so. It's not just the method in which the story has been reported but that it warrants headline status indicates a serious lack of human and editorial judgement.

The proof of imbalance is as simple as pointing to the example of modern art called Piss Christ. Or describe Showtime's Penn and Teller show Bullshit and their "Mother F*cking Theresa" segment.
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Metanis wrote:
The false indignation is transparent... pathetically so. It's not just the method in which the story has been reported but that it warrants headline status indicates a serious lack of human and editorial judgement.
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Most accurate, true-to-life statement ever made on this board.
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"If we are to truly repair America's standing in the world, the Bush administration must hold accountable high-ranking officials who allow the continuing abuse and torture of detainees."
Kilmoll wrote:How exactly this article equates touching the Quran to torture

Note that I said the article equated this to tortue......don't get your panties in a wad lefty.
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If these incidents occured in a vacuum then they are not that big of a deal. Individually, the occurances are minor indescretions. However, when taken in context, these incidents DO warrent front page attention. In the shadow of other incidents prisoner abuse/torture (this particular incident is not torture, but is definitely abuse... Abu'Ghraib IS/WAS torture) this takes on an entirely different light. Our image is tainted by the previous events, therefore these are another example of our failures. By doing these acts, the military/intelligence community has taken another step to inflame the normal, everyday muslim against our cause.

I will again reiterate a point on stuff like this... the buck has to end somewhere on it. I do not think that ultimate responsibility lies on the actual offendors, but instead is higher up the food chain, probably within the civilian authority in the Department of Defense. Somebody told the military to take the gloves off when it comes to prisoner treatment, and those responsible for this MUST be brought to light and removed from authority or we will remain untrustworthy to the world. Prosecuting privates and sergeants will not cut it.

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So the prisoners mishandled the Quran while being familiar with what they are allowed to do 15 times in the same time span, yet the guards and interrogators should be held more accountable. That makes perfect sense. This is just people nitpicking and trying to find things to expose.
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The guards are the ones in authority. It is their responsibility to act in an appropriate manner. The prisoners can do whatever the hell they want to do as long as its within the rules of their captivity. Those in positions of authority are held to a FAR higher standard, as it should be.

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Post by Sueven »

Individuals have no responsibility to behave responsibly with their own sacred objects. Individuals do have a responsibility to behave responsibly with others peoples sacred objects.

The fact that there are five confirmed cases of mishandling the Quran is certainly not on a level with Abu Ghraib or beheadings, but it is something that should not have happened and is troublesome.

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Post by Fash »

I'm gonna go buy a copy of the quran and videotape myself shitting on it.. then publicize it on the internet.
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