Lynddie the fat fucking terrorist (pics inside may disturb)

[Nick]

Ok, now let's have a quick look at the glorious 'justice' system of the USA that some of you guys seem so proud of:

FORT HOOD, Texas - A military judge Wednesday threw out Pfc. Lynndie England's guilty plea to abusing Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison, saying he was not convinced the Army reservist who appeared in some of the most notorious photos in the scandal knew her actions were wrong at the time.

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The mistrial marks a stunning turn in the case and sends it back to square one.

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Let's now also take a quick trip down memory lane.







Had enough? Sorry, you guys weren't done yet.





Now, let us also look at Guantanamo Bay, where the USA *DEMANDS* (whilst avoiding international OUTCRY and RAGE) that the detainees are held to account by the USA (not Afghanistan, their home country) without a fair trial or contact with family/friends for literally years on end.
Now bear in mind many of the men in Guantanamo are actually innocent, whilst young Lynddie here is clearly guilty beyond repair. No?

Ok, still with me? Good! Well done.

So we have a situation where the court claims Lynddie is a fucking spastic sociopath who cannot distinguish right from wrong.
This is also known as a lie in many developed countries.

Not to mention the obvious repercussions of having sociopaths actively working in Jails under US military control.

GREAT IDEA!

Or not.

Excellent, so we have deranged American psychos running around in Iraq (what a surprise) already involved in an illegal murderous dick waving contest yet *ITS OK*.
You can relax!

The government says that Lynddie does not have to be held accountable for her terrorist actions.

Oh my god did he just say terrorist? Of an American? AN AMERICAN TERRORIST???? Where's my gun?!

Yes, thats right, terrorist actions.

Here is a terrorist definition, in case any of you have forgotten with all that blood and torture your army displayed for us all so happily.

terrorist

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

Now, since sweet innocent Lynddie was acting under the control of a country who was indeed using both religion and terror as a political weapon (the US - oops!) she is naturally, a terrorist.

In case I lost you, the political weapon was the overall safeguarding and expansion of the hegemony of the United States by controlling access to the 2nd largest and most profitable Oil country on the planet.

Call it what you want, you're probably wrong.

Back on track now!

So, whilst double standards have already been applied (to both the use of the word terrorism and to good ol' Lynddie being safely held under US 'care', instead of a guantanamo bay situation, where she would *by US standards* be taken to trial IN Iraq) the US has now made sure 'one of gods own' is well taken care of.

Good show, I like what you did there, very shrewd.

I am sure the Iraqi's aren't thinking what I'm thinking now.......oh no, they will no doubt be rejoicing in the streets of Baghdad tonight for poor Lynddie's narrow escape whilst praising the noble justice system of the good ol US of A!

Man they are surely thinking that the USA was really really sincerely genuinely looking out for the Iraqi's!

Why wouldn't they?

Why wouldn't they? Think about it. Just for once. Think about it.

This is FUCKING SHAMEFUL

[Animale]

Well, I do not support the actions of the soldiers in question, but I think that the "mistrial" might actually turn out to be a good thing in terms of ending U.S. torture abuses. The plea was a quick way to get the issue over with for the military, because if an actual trial happens then the people who ordered/pressured/encouraged her (and those of her unit) to do these things might actually be brought to light and held accountable. It sounds like the trial judge didn't think that it ended with the privates and sergeants, but instead went higher. This mistrial actually took a lot of balls on the part of the judge, as I'm sure there was massive pressure to make this issue go away quiety.

Hopefully this trial (if it occurs) and its aftermath helps bring to light the truth, and puts an end to our abuses overseas.

Animale

[Sueven]

I could be wrong, but I think you're misinterpreting the meaning of what happened in the trial today.

She hasn't been acquitted, she was simply preventing from entering a guilty plea. By entering a guilty plea, she would have admitted that she knew what she was doing was wrong. If she was simply following orders, she is required to enter a not guilty plea. The judge, on the theory that she was following orders, threw out her guilty plea as illegal.

If I understand correctly, which I might not, this will trigger some sort of investigation as to whether she was following orders or not. If she was not, then I imagine she would be permitted to enter her guilty plea and be punished accordingly. If she was, then I imagine the people who gave her the orders would be brought to trial.

[Nick]

I'm sure Rumsfeld will be on the stand anydaynow!

[Niffoni]

That's so cruel.

She's not that fat.

[nobody]

"You can't have a one-person conspiracy," the judge said before he declared the mistrial and dismissed the sentencing jury.

[Tyek]

You guys are completely ruining his reason for once again stating the US sucks.

Hey Nick we had the 17th freeway shooting in LA in 7 weeks, so the US sucks.

Hey Nick, we have record rainfall in LA, so the US sucks.

While the treatment was horrible, why don't you let this play out and see what happens. If you end up right and they let her off and no one is punished you will see an outcry from many citizens. We have a system, it is not perfect, but let it play out. Oh and the US sucks I know.

[Animalor]

The PFC's being sued cause of Abu Graib is a fucking joke. These guys are peons in the military machine and are scapegoats for this whole scandal.

[nobody]

it is absolutly inexcusable that more higher-ups are not being held responsible for allowing this sort of thing to happen.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

*cheer*

[Metanis]

it is absolutly inexcusable that more higher-ups are not being held responsible for allowing this sort of thing to happen.

Did you ever once consider there may not be enough evidence for a reasonable prosecution? Those folks "higher-up" in the US Armed Forces get quite an education in how to cover their asses. Innuendo and suspicion don't count for much in a trial.

[Nick]

Oh for gods sake, guys this was directed more at the fucking morons of the board, there are so many Americans that I that I know are TOTALLY decent people, EVEN if they have guns and all the rest of it.

I AM NOT ANTI EVERY FUCKING AMERICAN.

I do however think that US foreign policy is utterly shameless and actually evil, of course the blame lies with the heads of state, not you personally, unless you voted Bush......but then again, just like tomorrow's British Election, there is NO alternative.

The only real alternative is to make a new set up.

That is idealism, and not reality, but it fucking SHOULD be, as a lot of you are aware.

I am willing to bet anyone prosecuted over this will be some fucking fall guy, if anyone at all.

Saying this woman is innocent is like saying the insurgents in Iraq are INNOCENT PAWNS of the leaders of their respective movements. Which is crap and I doubt many of you have even considered it.

It's double standards, which is bullshit.

[Tyek]

I never said she is innocent and in fact I hope she spends a long time in prison getting the same things done to her that she did to those prisoners. I honestly think the judge felt this lady was the fall guy you refer to. He knows there is far more here and wants it to come out. If she is found guilty quickly, then the case fades away. Now all the shit is going to have to come out in trial and more of these criminals will be caught.

As for your comments about the US. I am sorry Nick, but virtually every post you make here bashes the US. I actually almost bust a gut the other day watching the Simpsons. Homer was forced to turn his house into a youth Hostile and some european kids were standing in front of him saying..."Reason number 47 the US sucks, no universal heathcare."

I started laughing wondering how they got you on the Simpsons. You seem like a cool guy, just a little overzealous in your hatred of the US in general.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Oh for gods sake, guys this was directed more at the fucking morons of the board, there are so many Americans that I that I know are TOTALLY decent people, EVEN if they have guns and all the rest of it.

I AM NOT ANTI EVERY FUCKING AMERICAN.

I do however think that US foreign policy is utterly shameless and actually evil, of course the blame lies with the heads of state, not you personally, unless you voted Bush......but then again, just like tomorrow's British Election, there is NO alternative.

The only real alternative is to make a new set up.

That is idealism, and not reality, but it fucking SHOULD be, as a lot of you are aware.

I am willing to bet anyone prosecuted over this will be some fucking fall guy, if anyone at all.

Saying this woman is innocent is like saying the insurgents in Iraq are INNOCENT PAWNS of the leaders of their respective movements. Which is crap and I doubt many of you have even considered it.

It's double standards, which is bullshit.

You're a bitter little fuck. Expect these kinds of responses.

[Cartalas]

Oh for gods sake, guys this was directed more at the fucking morons of the board, there are so many Americans that I that I know are TOTALLY decent people, EVEN if they have guns and all the rest of it.

I AM NOT ANTI EVERY FUCKING AMERICAN.

I do however think that US foreign policy is utterly shameless and actually evil, of course the blame lies with the heads of state, not you personally, unless you voted Bush......but then again, just like tomorrow's British Election, there is NO alternative.

The only real alternative is to make a new set up.

That is idealism, and not reality, but it fucking SHOULD be, as a lot of you are aware.

I am willing to bet anyone prosecuted over this will be some fucking fall guy, if anyone at all.

Saying this woman is innocent is like saying the insurgents in Iraq are INNOCENT PAWNS of the leaders of their respective movements. Which is crap and I doubt many of you have even considered it.

It's double standards, which is bullshit.

Get your ass beat a lot I see!

[Aabidano]

I AM NOT ANTI EVERY FUCKING AMERICAN.

Probably not, but your grip on reality seems a tad tenuous... Reading comprehension too, or perhaps your didn't get past the headline before you typed that rant.

Her being prosecuted, and her situation in general has didly and squat to do with Guantanomo<sp> and the prisoners there. A double standard would require them to be in the same jurisdiction and\or justice system, they aren't.

[Bubba Grizz]

What the hell kind of Naked Human Pyramid is that? I know we can do better than that. Jeez this is a total embarrassment.

[nobody]

it is absolutly inexcusable that more higher-ups are not being held responsible for allowing this sort of thing to happen.

Did you ever once consider there may not be enough evidence for a reasonable prosecution? Those folks "higher-up" in the US Armed Forces get quite an education in how to cover their asses. Innuendo and suspicion don't count for much in a trial.

i think i know how the chain of command works and i've seen how some of them "cover their asses".

[Sylvos]

shrug, no one ever said War wasn't an ugly business.
Things happen, human nature is akin to that of a rabid beast at times especially during war when emotions are always strained. It's not like its the first time its ever happened. I'm pretty sure many of the vets from Vietnam tortured the fuck out of some Vietnamese prisoners then went back home and lead perfectly normal and gentle lives. Least those prisoners didn't get their heads cut off with a bowie knife on TV....
Also, without flaming I'd like to point out that the mistrial was called so that you didn't have a "scape goat" private taking the fall, this type of thing will now be investigated and more than just one person will be punished. I'm proud of that judge for doing that, it took a lot of balls to allow it to escalate like that.

[Kwonryu DragonFist]

This Lynndie chick seems to be a bit rough in the sack

[Deward]

As stated previously, Lynndie is not getting off scott-free. She had a plea deal for pleaing guilty. When they started testimony in front of the jury to determine the penalty, Graner (another Abu Graib torturer) stated that she was only doing what she was ordered to do and didn't know she was doing anything wrong. The judge immediately stopped the testimony because it implied that Lynndie didn't know she was doing anything guilty. Pleading guilty implies that you knew you were doing something wrong. The Graner testimony therefore tainted the jury and a mistrial was called so that a new unbiased jury could start over with Lynndie pleading not guilty instead.

In my opinion, I think she was just another stooge following orders. This doesn't excuse her from doing time though. I agree that there are higher ups that should be getting in trouble as well. In my military experience, low level soldiers don't do this shit without being ordered to do so. Most of the time we just want drink or smoke and avoid as much work as possible. The fact that these guys weren't even trained for this sort of mission further pushes me to believe that they were acting under orders.

[Voronwë]

they're going to have another trial.

the mistrial is to protect her Constitutional rights, in that she can't both be "just following orders" and "guilty" to some of the counts at the same time.

In truth it may be good for "justice" to retry the case because if she was "just following orders" it will get the military court invovled in investigating the chain of command.

[Bubba Grizz]

I am afraid to say I'd NOT hit it.

If she were at least pretty should could have a life in porn after jail but she isn't even good looking.

[Lohrno]

I am afraid to say I'd NOT hit it.

If she were at least pretty should could have a life in porn after jail but she isn't even good looking.

She? You mean Lynndie is a girl?!? Can you provide sources for this?

[Voronwë]

the fact that a small person recently was removed from her uterus is proof enough for me

[Lohrno]

Now bear in mind many of the men in Guantanamo are actually innocent, whilst young Lynddie here is clearly guilty beyond repair. No?

It would be more accurate to say that there are many or most of those are probably innocent. I'm sure they aren't ALL innocents.

The government says that Lynddie does not have to be held accountable for her terrorist actions.

That would be pretty fucked up if it were true. They are just judically masturbating at the moment. I'm sure that Lynndie is not going to get away from this without any form of punishment. The current administration would never be able to save face for that. They are smart enough to know that that wouldn't be in their best interests.

[Lohrno]

the fact that a small person recently was removed from her uterus is proof enough for me

But but...IT'S A MAN BABY! </Austin Powers>

[Niffoni]

This Lynndie chick seems to be a bit rough in the sack

I have sources in Iraq that say these fucks are a lot rougher when YOU'RE the one in the sack.