Could this of happened to Teri Schiavo?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » May 3, 2005, 2:25 pm

We will never know
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7717220/

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » May 3, 2005, 2:31 pm

I vote No

Post by **Sylvus** » May 3, 2005, 2:31 pm

There are varying degrees of brain damage, Cartalas, as I'm sure your specialists have informed you.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » May 3, 2005, 2:32 pm

I'm assuming you are talking about the firefighter. I can't read what you post because I have you on ignore as anything you say is worthless.

But for the rest of you:

CNN.com wrote: Herbert was fighting a house fire December 29, 1995, when the roof collapsed, burying him under debris. After going without air for several minutes, Herbert was comatose for 2 1/2 months and has undergone therapy ever since.

News accounts in the days and years after his injury describe Herbert as blind and with little, if any, memory. Video shows him receiving physical therapy but apparently unable to communicate and with little awareness of his surroundings.

Terri had no awareness, and her brain was mostly spinal fluid. This guy's brain most likely recovered some parts eventually. So to answer the question: No.

We need to find a way to speed up the regeneration of brain tissue...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 3, 2005, 2:39 pm

hilarious.

i htought to myself when i saw this video package a couple of hours ago, "i bet some right wingers will be banging the Terry Schiavo drum shortly".

swatting facts away like a donkey's tail dispatches flies.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » May 3, 2005, 2:43 pm

Sylvus wrote:There are varying degrees of brain damage, Cartalas, as I'm sure your specialists have informed you.

Curious you still on suicide watch?

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » May 3, 2005, 3:09 pm

PRAISE ALLAH FOR THIS MIRACLE OF LIFE

Post by **Sylvus** » May 3, 2005, 3:15 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Sylvus wrote:There are varying degrees of brain damage, Cartalas, as I'm sure your specialists have informed you.
Curious you still on suicide watch?

HTF?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » May 3, 2005, 3:24 pm

Lohrno wrote:We need to find a way to speed up the regeneration of brain tissue...

Pretty sure that doesn't happen. Therapies are generally aimed at making the brain "rewire" itself to recover lost function using undamaged areas.

If there's nothing there you don't have much to work with.

*Edit

Cartalas wrote:We will never know
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7717220/

We already do...

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » May 3, 2005, 3:33 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Lohrno wrote:We need to find a way to speed up the regeneration of brain tissue...
Pretty sure that doesn't happen. Therapies are generally aimed at making the brain "rewire" itself to recover lost function using undamaged areas.

Actually as I now recall, it doesn't. Nerve and brain cells don't really regenerate like other types. However it may be possible later to grow some in a lab with some stem cell techniques...

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 3, 2005, 3:42 pm

STEMZ CELLS ARE INETHICAL OMG SHUT UP

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » May 3, 2005, 3:43 pm

The thread title alone has saddened me.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 3, 2005, 3:48 pm

not entirely true, not entirely false.

people often say that there is no regeneration of brain tissue. Certain areas like Olfactory (smell) cortex and even some thalamic areas do have steady turnover of some neurons throughout life.

This is exclusive to areas whose functionality can be 'programmed' genetically. For example, the brain doesn't "learn" how to organize olfactory information as it enters the brain, that discriminatory aparatus is hard-wired.

also, there are a tremendous number of connections (synapses) in the brain that are "plastic" - which means they can change. This is kind of explained by the notion of "use it or lose it". For instance, I would really have to struggle to solve a basic calculus equation that I learned with ease 15 years ago.

But we obviously continue to learn throughout life and retain new information. This is because new connections can form.

So the convoluted message is that, certain functions can be recovered given enough time. But you have to remember, the brain is the single most complex thing we have ever encountered. And an obvious result of this, is that there are lots of subtly different interworking parts.

And obviously following from that, is that there are multitudes of possibilities from similar (and different) brain injuries.

The bad thing is that quite a bit of the brain is absolutely critical to normal function. It is very easy to see visually somebody who is brain damaged, or at the very least once you hear them speak.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 3, 2005, 4:02 pm

Basically, his brain adapted, terri didnt have a brain

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » May 3, 2005, 4:13 pm

What a stupid post. I vote no

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » May 3, 2005, 6:10 pm

For the record, no amount of spinal fluid in Terri's brain could have made her confuse the word "of" for "have" when posting on the internet.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 3, 2005, 6:37 pm

by the way this guy was walking around a year after his injury (1996). he was hardly in anything resembling a vegetative state.

The astonishing thing is that he started speaking again, which he hadnt done post-injury.

noel · Post by **noel** » May 3, 2005, 6:56 pm

Niffoni wrote:For the record, no amount of spinal fluid in Terri's brain could have made her confuse the word "of" for "have" when posting on the internet.

Seconded.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » May 3, 2005, 10:55 pm

Cartalas, you appal me.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 3, 2005, 11:03 pm

Wow thanks for wasting my time with this stupid shit dickhead.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 4, 2005, 1:24 am

fucking retard

nobody · Post by **nobody** » May 4, 2005, 1:59 am

Drinsic Darkwood wrote:The thread title alone has saddened me.

aye

Deward · Post by **Deward** » May 4, 2005, 11:06 am

There are therapies that can regrow nerve damage. It is still very difficult and expensive. Christopher Reeves spent millions regenerating the little bit that he got back before he died but he did prove that it is possible. Stem cells could really be the answer to this but we may never know for sure because of the right wing fanatics.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » May 4, 2005, 11:47 am

There are varying degrees of brain damage, Cartalas, as I'm sure your specialists have informed you.

Thanks for the laugh. Great way to start the day.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » May 4, 2005, 12:55 pm

I would like to give mad style points to sylvus for using "HTF".
That is all.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 4, 2005, 4:08 pm

how did the media fuck this up so badly? this guy was only unconscious for a little over 2 months, how do they ignore this fact and have first reports lead you to believe he was out for 10 years?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 4, 2005, 5:33 pm

Fash wrote:how did the media fuck this up so badly? this guy was only unconscious for a little over 2 months, how do they ignore this fact and have first reports lead you to believe he was out for 10 years?

the channel i've been watching has shown video of him walking behind a walker (with a kind of 'nobody's home' look on his face), with the year 1996 clearly visible on the screen.

it is still very remarkable that he recovered some speech ability after 10 years.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » May 4, 2005, 6:09 pm

We might know in a couple of years Deward but to get them we will have to travel to Europe and use the "evil" socialized medicine system they have of there because they are doing the research...

Marb

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 4, 2005, 8:35 pm

This whole event with him talking again is a giagantic travesty. All the guy was trying to do, was to avoid having to deal with his wife. Then the second he thinks hes safe, he asks someone if his wife is around just to be sure, and they rat his ass out.

You heartless bastards.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » May 4, 2005, 9:26 pm

The latest case involves firefighter Donald Herbert, 43, who has lived at a nursing home in suburban Buffalo, for more than seven years.

In December 1995, the roof of a burning home collapsed on him. He went without oxygen for several minutes before he was rescued, and he ended up blind with little, if any, memory. He was largely mute and showed little awareness of his surroundings.

But last Saturday, he suddenly asked for his wife, Linda. And over the next 14 hours, until he fell asleep early Sunday morning, he chatted with her, his four sons and other family and friends, catching up on what he’d missed.

“How long have I been away?” Herbert had asked.

“We told him almost 10 years,” said his uncle, Simon Manka. “He thought it was only three months.”

There have been a few other widely publicized examples of brain-damaged patients showing sudden improvement after a number of years. In 2003, an Arkansas man, severely disabled and largely silent for 19 years after a car accident, stunned his mother by saying “Mom” and then asking for a Pepsi. His brain function remained limited, his family said months later.

And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, left paralyzed and mute after a 1988 shooting, began speaking to his family one day in 1996, telling jokes and recounting annual winter camping trips. But after 18 hours, he never repeated the unbridled conversation of that day, though he remained more alert than he had been. He died the following year of a blood clot on his lung.

None of these people were in a “persistent vegetative state” like Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman whose feeding-tube case raised anguished end-of-life ethical discussions.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » May 4, 2005, 9:45 pm

Good post Cart. It's a reminder that miracles are not in the province of humankind. It's sad how many people feel the need to put you down for this post.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » May 4, 2005, 9:59 pm

I really, really, want to be suprised by metanis's post, im just not.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » May 5, 2005, 6:26 am

Metanis wrote:Good post Cart. It's a reminder that miracles are not in the province of humankind. It's sad how many people feel the need to put you down for this post.

It's sad that anyone is fucking moronic enough to agree with his senseless and illogical post. Are you truly this stupid, or is this just some very subtle sarcasm?

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » May 5, 2005, 2:20 pm

At this point, I'm convinced that Cart's brain is mostly spinal fluid.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » May 5, 2005, 2:22 pm

Sargeras wrote:At this point, I'm convinced that Cart's brain is mostly spinal fluid.

my money is on Mountain Dew

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » May 5, 2005, 2:23 pm

Metanis wrote:Good post Cart. It's a reminder that miracles are not in the province of humankind.

That would be your opinion...

I'm going with the scientific explanation until someone can give me definitive proof of supernatural phenomena at work here.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » May 5, 2005, 3:00 pm

Sargeras wrote:At this point, I'm convinced that Cart's brain is mostly spinal fluid.

This is comming from the idiot who let his picture get posted on the internet.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » May 5, 2005, 3:24 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Sargeras wrote:At this point, I'm convinced that Cart's brain is mostly spinal fluid.
This is comming from the idiot who let his picture get posted on the internet.

That's a comeback? HTF? Shouldn't you be calling Dregor fat or Sylvus a queer or something? Or maybe calling Noel a bike-riding polish sausage?

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » May 5, 2005, 4:24 pm

I have to pee.

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » May 5, 2005, 7:22 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Sargeras wrote:At this point, I'm convinced that Cart's brain is mostly spinal fluid.
This is comming from the idiot who let his picture get posted on the internet.

Because unlike you, I'm not afraid to show everyone what I look like. I have confidence in myself and my looks. You can try to talk shit when you post yours.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » May 5, 2005, 9:27 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:I have to pee.

I just went, it's all clear

nobody · Post by **nobody** » May 6, 2005, 2:29 am

Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Bubba Grizz wrote:I have to pee.
I just went, it's all clear

that means you're not drinking enough mountain dew.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » May 6, 2005, 9:11 am

I feel much better now.