Women...jus a bit of language contained here

Fumita · Post by **Fumita** » November 19, 2002, 10:22 pm

ok WHy the fuck are women so damn difficult, do they always have to attempt to win a damn argument? By first making u feel like shit, when u did absolutely nothing wrong, then acting all bitchy about some irrelevent topic or a topic that is trivial to most. Do you now understand the art of compromising in a relationship? its not very evident in this town... When a person only knows lies and deceit, and doing certain things can emotionally harm the other, then why do it? Is it so hard to comprehend that when a person is being honest about some shit thats dificult as hell to understand that its only nice to try and help the other , not throw them to the bottom of fucking hell and make them feel like they are going to puke all the fucking shit out of their body, and go cold and numb....

questions, comments, shoot em out would have to me more intellectual and mature than the shit I had to listen to...

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 10:24 pm

Any possibilty you could tell us what happened? Use paragraphs please.

Fumita · Post by **Fumita** » November 19, 2002, 10:34 pm

not in any sane way atm. bunch of shit , talked or fought for 2 hours, no way in hell to type it all up + attempting to figure out how to get an idea into a womans thick skull.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 19, 2002, 10:36 pm

So you saying:

Fumita wrote:questions, comments, shoot em out would have to me more intellectual and mature than the shit I had to listen to...

Was just to increase your wordcount?

Fumita · Post by **Fumita** » November 19, 2002, 10:36 pm

not in any sane way atm. bunch of shit , talked or fought for 2 hours, no way in hell to type it all up + attempting to figure out how to get an idea into a womans thick skull.

Fumita · Post by **Fumita** » November 19, 2002, 10:38 pm

sorry for double post..but need a sec to cool off I wasn't planning on checking back so soon....

Ajran · Post by **Ajran** » November 19, 2002, 10:55 pm

Guessing she didn't like the threesome idea?

-Ajran

Arsecn · Post by **Arsecn** » November 19, 2002, 11:01 pm

I'm guessing anal sex.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » November 19, 2002, 11:22 pm

While I appreciate the need to vent after what sounds like a particularly nasty argument, its very unfair to stereotype all women as the same as the one you described. Alientates a nice chunk of potentially sympathetic audience here on these forums.

As for the issue, I can only surmise, but sounds understatedly unpleasant.

cid · Post by **cid** » November 19, 2002, 11:40 pm

Fumita wrote:not in any sane way atm. bunch of shit , talked or fought for 2 hours, no way in hell to type it all up + attempting to figure out how to get an idea into a womans thick skull.

Me and the wife call that foreplay..

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 20, 2002, 12:46 am

The key to a successful relationship is knowing 2 simple words, "Yes Dear". That and having 2 TV's and realizing that no matter what, she is always right.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » November 20, 2002, 12:53 am

thats y ....guys > girls !!!!!

Karae · Post by **Karae** » November 20, 2002, 1:22 am

Did Drasta just come out of the closet? Seems like it...

masteen · Post by **masteen** » November 20, 2002, 1:30 am

In answer to an earlier question, the best way into a woman's thick skull is with a hammer and a railroad spike.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » November 20, 2002, 1:55 am

lol i came out awhile ago on here but no one really paid attention to it ...it was on the anal sex thread i think

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » November 20, 2002, 2:26 am

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 20, 2002, 2:29 am

Your main problem is trying to figure women out. Do not do so. Just let nature take its course, as it will.

Of course, this really does not help.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 20, 2002, 3:04 am

I agree with Sirensa. Don't oversimplify and generalize. It gives the impression that you are a)ignorant b)defensive c)both.

Also, you seem to be turning to this board in the heat of an argument's aftermath. Kinda odd to me you would pick veeshan vault instead of a friend to vent to, like most people.

By the way, your reaction is pretty vivid. Enough to say that it sounds like you need to get out of that relationship. Even during an argument, you should never feel that way. Frustrated, irritated, a little angry, yes, but nothing close to what you described.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 20, 2002, 4:05 am

When you're having trouble with a particular girl, just remember that there are lots of girls out there.

When you see a hot girl walk by, just remember that theres a guy out there that hates her.

When a girl dumps you, just remember you've got your freedom again and you can do whatever you want.

When you meet the right girl, cherish her, and never let her go.

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » November 20, 2002, 4:45 am

Aranuil had me at "Hello."

*tear*

Laliana · Post by **Laliana** » November 20, 2002, 4:47 am

Canelek wrote:Your main problem is trying to figure women out. Do not do so. Just let nature take its course, as it will.

Of course, this really does not help.

So true on both accounts...

Laliana · Post by **Laliana** » November 20, 2002, 4:48 am

Sargeras wrote:Aranuil had me at "Hello."

*tear*

And Sarge...WTF?

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 20, 2002, 6:19 am

Ummm I think Sarge just came out as well...

Fumita,

10 really long really slow really deep breaths man. I understand the frustration and anger, but it will pass. Once it does, then reassess the argument and the relationship. See what is there for you both and determine where to go next.

The thing that are close to you are the only things that can hurt you deeply. So apparently this person was very close to you. Take a bit and get some perspective on the big picture of this relationship. Defensiveness (striking out at fear of being hurt) can only make the whole thing much worse and is as natural as breathing.

Go have a long talk with a close friend about the situation. I often call on my female friends in situations like this to get a different perspective (and lots of hugs when it really hurts).

Women aren't wicked or particularly hardheaded...Humans are...

Knibble · Post by **Knibble** » November 20, 2002, 9:46 am

Fumita....
Hello there,long time no see.
See this always works well with my husband...

1. I bitch alil (he ponders)
2. I snap at him (he sits there with a dumb founded look like WTF)
3. Tell him it's all his fault ( he scratches his head)
4. Take out my frustrations(he looks at me and says WTF why you mean to me)
5. I just simply say ...It's my job as a wife to keep it in line.

Although most women are very hard to understand,Fumita I am sure you will come though it...Just keep saying Yes Dear...I am sorry Dear...OK Dear.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 20, 2002, 10:17 am

Fumita my old friend be nice let her take the Burka off every once and a while.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 20, 2002, 11:03 am

If it's my fault, I sincerely appologize and make an honest effort not to repeat my mistake again. It goes both ways though. You have to use the golden rule when she fucks up or pisses you off. Patience is a virtue and taking the time to understand her point of view is essential to figuring out what her problem is. If a woman raises her voice at me, I very calmly tell her to take it down a notch or else the conversation is over. Women react to how you react, or they percieve you to react. If you are calm and collected, they should follow suite.

However, if a woman wants to create drama by conjuring up issues or blame me for every little thing, I tell them to hit the fucking door. No yelling or anything like that. I just tell them to leave. Life's too short for that and there are too many women in the world to waste your time on one that is going to bring you down. I dated 2 or 3 women like this in my life. I saw the warning signs early and cut my losses.

Just don't fight back. I never, ever fight. Never have and never will. It's too much trouble than it's worth.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 20, 2002, 12:03 pm

and never, EVER give up on trying to convince her to bring a girlfriend over for a 3-some.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 20, 2002, 12:26 pm

one last thing from me.

I get irritated when a guy acts like cursing is not appropriate for women to hear. WTF is up with that back-woods crap? It comes off so insulting, as if I'm not adult enough to handle a couple curse words. It is NOT gentlemanly. If you TRULY feel it is wrong to do so, then just don't cuss. Don't belittle a woman's intelligence by pointing out to her that you won't cuss "in front of a lady." That's what you do to children...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 20, 2002, 12:34 pm

Drasta wrote:lol i came out awhile ago on here but no one really paid attention to it ...it was on the anal sex thread i think

maybe i'll have to rethink asking you for crack

j/k of course

as for the topic of this thread, i think the vault is the #1 place to get relationship advice!

Dustie · Post by **Dustie** » November 20, 2002, 12:47 pm

It is quiet simple...Remember the following rules when dealing with women....

Number 1......Don't bring home something penicillin won't cure.
Number 2......Don't let your wife catch you cheating
Number 3......If you cheat don't bring the bitch home
Number 4......If you bring the bitch home don't screw her in your wife's bed
Number 5.......Just because you're on a diet it doesn't mean you can't look at the menu, you just can't have any carry out and you MUST eat at home...
Number 6.......Don't try to understand women...in 5 minutes they will change anyway....

And most importantly.....What's her's is her's and what your's is her's...If you can remember these few simple rules then you will be together for a very long time.

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Xyphir · Post by **Xyphir** » November 20, 2002, 12:55 pm

I hope after two hours you atleast got make up sex.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 20, 2002, 12:58 pm

Love the misogyny in this thread!

Dustie, I imagine you get all sorts of pussy!

Millie · Post by **Millie** » November 20, 2002, 1:01 pm

The problem with trying to argue with women is that they justify their side of the argument with their "feelings." They don't use facts or logic, to which you're probably accustomed. They just say "I feel that..." or "You make me feel that way sometimes," etc. In their opinion, that makes their point of view more valid than yours. You may not agree with such a system, but hey -- they don't really care.

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A sample dialogue:

Girlfriend: (bitterly) Hi.

Boyfriend: Hi, honey. What's wrong?

Girlfriend: Nothing.

Boyfriend: You sure? You're acting kinda stand-offish...

Girlfriend: (annoyed) No. Nothing's wrong.

Boyfriend: (now becoming annoyed, as well) Well, obviously something's up. What's wrong?

...ten minutes later...

Girlfriend: I'm just upset, that's all.

Boyfriend: Why?

Girlfriend: Oh, well you know 5 months ago when you said you didn't want to eat Chinese food for dinner? Chinese is my favorite food, and I feel like you said that to me because you don't care about my favorite foods. Sometimes I think I care more about this relationship than you do.

Boyfriend: Jesus Christ. How did I give you that impression?

Girlfriend: You just do. It's not what you say; it's how you say it.

Boyfriend: Well, obviously I didn't intend it that way. I think you're reading way too much into it.

Girlfriend: No I'm not. I don't think you knew that you were saying what you were really saying, but I felt it. (cries)
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Bottom line is, you will NEVER be "right." Her feelings and interpretations of everything you do and say will always win out. Good luck!

Dustie · Post by **Dustie** » November 20, 2002, 1:03 pm

Well Lalanae considering I am a woman and married to a wonderful man, I do get a lot of sex but no pussy lol...But he keeps trying to convince me "A threesome is a good thing" hahahaha

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Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » November 20, 2002, 1:07 pm

Then I'm even more disappointed.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » November 20, 2002, 1:09 pm

I hope you people are being facetious and aren't really in relationships like the ones you've described.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » November 20, 2002, 1:13 pm

Holy crap Millie, you could change "Chinese Food" with just about anything and you'll have the script to 95% of my disagreements with my wife.

Neroon · Post by **Neroon** » November 20, 2002, 1:31 pm

If you have to *try to figure out* your significant other, get the hell out and find a normal person.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 20, 2002, 1:54 pm

Dammit people that generalise are tossers!!
Especially them pottymouthed wimmin!!

Gonna try and dig out the email with the perceptions of the sexes from a male PoV

The one that says stuff like:

"Ladies: If we say something that can be interpreted 2 ways and one of those ways makes you unhappy or angry, we meant the other"

I also read a book recently called "Why women can't read maps and why men don't listen" and it was VERY enlightening. I recommend it thoroughly

Neroon · Post by **Neroon** » November 20, 2002, 2:06 pm

We all know you can't read Tanc, you're not fooling anyone!

Millie · Post by **Millie** » November 20, 2002, 2:15 pm

Chidoro wrote:Holy crap Millie, you could change "Chinese Food" with just about anything and you'll have the script to 95% of my disagreements with my wife.

Hehe. I speak from experience myself, so that dialogue I made up wasn't entirely fictional.

I find it a pretty accurate model of most male/female arguments in any given relationship.

According to wives/gfs, *every* stupid thing you say or do has some sort of deeper, cosmic meaning with regards to your relationship. And most of the time, those meanings aren't good ones.

It gets kind of ridiculous after awhile. That's the price you pay for having a significant other, I guess.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » November 20, 2002, 2:22 pm

Don't play mind games in relationships. When this sort of stupid crap comes up, let your significant other know exactly what you think and feel, then tell them to do the same. Tell em no if you disagree, not "Oh, I understand how you feel" crap.

The bullshit will either go away or the relationship will crumble. Life is too short to play games.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 20, 2002, 2:51 pm

Another hint was:

"Ladies! What we did or said more than 7 days ago is no longer permissable as ammunition for arguments!"

The only other on I can remember is the one about not complaining about us leaving the toilet seat up - just put it down. Gravity is on your side

If any more neurons accidentally fire today I might remember more. Or where I left the original.

Adelrune Argenti · Post by **Adelrune Argenti** » November 20, 2002, 3:05 pm

The best advice I can give is this: You dont always have to fix something. Sometimes, a woman would like you to just listen to her. Just take it all in. Don't interrupt and dont offer suggestions until she asks for them. Men are by nature "fixers". We look for a solution and try to implement it. The problem is women are as capable to fix a problem as men however most men try to steamroll over them by giving advice when it isnt the right time.
You can say things like "I'm sorry" and "I am willing to assist you however you need me". Saying you are sorry doesnt have to mean you are taking blame for a situation. You can merely be stating your empathy for her situation and that you wish she didnt have the discomfort over whatever she is seeing.

The most important thing is to listen. Yes, it might not be something that you particularly care that much about or it might be something that you dont totally agree with. At least give her the respect by listening to her completely first before offering up any advice. She wants to feel validated just as much as you do. Help her by listening.

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noel · Post by **noel** » November 20, 2002, 3:09 pm

Here's some more advice. If the woman's under 21-22, she's probably not worth your trouble. Obviously there are exceptions, but women below that age have no idea what they want long-term even if they think they do.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 20, 2002, 3:13 pm

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Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » November 20, 2002, 3:13 pm

Adelrune wrote:The best advice I can give is this: You dont always have to fix something. Sometimes, a woman would like you to just listen to her. Just take it all in. Don't interrupt and dont offer suggestions until she asks for them. Men are by nature "fixers". We look for a solution and try to implement it. The problem is women are as capable to fix a problem as men however most men try to steamroll over them by giving advice when it isnt the right time.
You can say things like "I'm sorry" and "I am willing to assist you however you need me". Saying you are sorry doesnt have to mean you are taking blame for a situation. You can merely be stating your empathy for her situation and that you wish she didnt have the discomfort over whatever she is seeing.

OMFG somebody give this man a GOLD STAR!!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 20, 2002, 3:19 pm

you dont even have to listen.

Chris Rock gave advice on how to feign that you are listening.

Every few minutes say things like:

"you dont say"

"no shit"

the punchline is:
"I told you that bitch was crazy".

cause inevitably women always have a woman at work (or wherever) that they simply can't get along with.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 20, 2002, 3:22 pm

Sunserae wrote:
Adelrune wrote:The best advice I can give is this: You dont always have to fix something. Sometimes, a woman would like you to just listen to her. Just take it all in. Don't interrupt and dont offer suggestions until she asks for them. Men are by nature "fixers". We look for a solution and try to implement it. The problem is women are as capable to fix a problem as men however most men try to steamroll over them by giving advice when it isnt the right time.
You can say things like "I'm sorry" and "I am willing to assist you however you need me". Saying you are sorry doesnt have to mean you are taking blame for a situation. You can merely be stating your empathy for her situation and that you wish she didnt have the discomfort over whatever she is seeing.
OMFG somebody give this man a GOLD STAR!!

Grats Adelrune!

Neroon · Post by **Neroon** » November 20, 2002, 5:50 pm

I would bump that age a bit higher, Aran, and change women to people. Most *people* are clueless about long term life stuff until the late 20's.*

Listening goes a hell of a long way. The problem with trying to fix things, is you can never know the whole situation. And any advice based on partial information, is bad advice. If I have known the girl for a long time (read=years), I will offer advice when I understand a good amount of the situation. Otherwise, no way, been there, done that, got burned really bad, it hurt, don't like getting hurt, gnomes are fragile.

* disclaimer - there are exceptions to every rule