pope?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 20, 2005, 4:09 pm

Lohrno wrote:Got anything else? A quick search finds that and that Hitler wanted to destroy the vatican and kidnap Pope Pius XII. It's true that the Nazis were the backstabbing sort, but I would think that if the Vatican were truly on board they wouldn't need to do that...

I'll have more later. The Bandit's site is down atm.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » April 20, 2005, 4:27 pm

Man, this new pope seems to be a total asshole! At least the more moderate Catholics don't have to wait too long for a newer and perhaps more progressive pope.

As far as the election, how did the Green Party fare?

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 20, 2005, 4:27 pm

Mormons belive Christ is their one and only Savior, therefore they are.....

*drumroll*

...CHRISTIANS!

how else would you define what a christian is?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » April 20, 2005, 4:53 pm

How about not defining them as anything but yet another religious group. How is any one religoius group any more valid than any other?

Some religions are worthy of respect for their foundations are built off of being good, doing good, etc. Some religions are not.

But neither of them are any more valid than any other. So why bother with this baseless classification of Christian, Protestant, Baptist, Evangelical, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.?

Nevermind. I am just talking out of frustration. I understand this is a belief structure groups of people have and are valid because they believe them to be. As long as they aren't hurting anyone or breaking laws then why should we concern ourselves with what they are doing, believing, etc.

Amen.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 20, 2005, 5:09 pm

Seriously though...it's not wise to elect a 78 year old man as Pope. You are not all there at age 78 and rapidly declining.

Some areas of concern:

We know that as we get older we have a greater chance of getting Alzheimer's disease. At the age of 65 +, about 1 in 15 people has the disease. At the age of 85 and older, about 1 out of every 3 people has this disease. We also know that some families carry genes that place them at risk for developing the disease. We think that there are triggers in our environment that can make the disease appear. But we don't yet know, for sure, what those triggers are.

At birth, the brain weighs less than a pound, but by the time we are 20 years of age, it has obtained full size and weighs approximately 3 pounds. However, the brain shrinks as we age. The shrinking occurs slowly, but scientists estimate that nearly 30 percent of your brain’s mass will be lost by the time you are in your 70s.

Your brain goes through natural, age-related changes. Your memory is affected because there are fewer neurons (brain cells) on which to impress memories, as well as fewer connections for retrieving those memories. The loss of brain cells may come about because the neurons have died, or because the spaces between the neurons, called synapses, have shrunk. Additionally, dendrites — the important neurotransmitter site — can be damaged. Dendrites are thin and fragile, and either injury, disease, or aging can damage or destroy them. “Tangles” also can affect dendrites. Researchers don’t know why, but for some reason, the ends of dendrites tangle and knot.

His brain has already shrunk 30%!

New pope suffered 1991 brain hemorrhage

VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- When he was a cardinal in 1991, Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, suffered a brain hemorrhage "which laid him down for a while, but he recovered from it," said CNN Vatican analyst John Allen on Wednesday.

The 78-year-old cardinal, chosen on Tuesday to become the new pope, now "appears to be in basically good health," but also is aware that his pontificate may not last "very long," said Allen, author of a 2000 biography of Ratzinger, "Cardinal Ratzinger: The Vatican's Enforcer of the Faith."

"About two years ago he was experiencing fatigue, but appears to have picked up from that," Allen said.

Ratzinger's brother Georg Ratzinger has raised questions about whether someone of the pope's age is fit for the post.

Before Benedict was elected pope, Georg Ratzinger said he was "convinced" that his brother would "be spared from this burden. At age 78, it's not good to take on such a job which challenges the entire person and the physical and mental existence," Allen said.

"At an age when you approach 80, it's no longer guaranteed that one is able to work and get up the next day."

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » April 20, 2005, 6:12 pm

Winnow wrote:Seriously though...it's not wise to elect a 78 year old man as Pope. You are not all there at age 78 and rapidly declining.

Some areas of concern:

We know that as we get older we have a greater chance of getting Alzheimer's disease. At the age of 65 +, about 1 in 15 people has the disease. At the age of 85 and older, about 1 out of every 3 people has this disease. We also know that some families carry genes that place them at risk for developing the disease. We think that there are triggers in our environment that can make the disease appear. But we don't yet know, for sure, what those triggers are.

At birth, the brain weighs less than a pound, but by the time we are 20 years of age, it has obtained full size and weighs approximately 3 pounds. However, the brain shrinks as we age. The shrinking occurs slowly, but scientists estimate that nearly 30 percent of your brain’s mass will be lost by the time you are in your 70s.

Your brain goes through natural, age-related changes. Your memory is affected because there are fewer neurons (brain cells) on which to impress memories, as well as fewer connections for retrieving those memories. The loss of brain cells may come about because the neurons have died, or because the spaces between the neurons, called synapses, have shrunk. Additionally, dendrites — the important neurotransmitter site — can be damaged. Dendrites are thin and fragile, and either injury, disease, or aging can damage or destroy them. “Tangles” also can affect dendrites. Researchers don’t know why, but for some reason, the ends of dendrites tangle and knot.
His brain has already shrunk 30%!

New pope suffered 1991 brain hemorrhage

VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- When he was a cardinal in 1991, Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, suffered a brain hemorrhage "which laid him down for a while, but he recovered from it," said CNN Vatican analyst John Allen on Wednesday.

The 78-year-old cardinal, chosen on Tuesday to become the new pope, now "appears to be in basically good health," but also is aware that his pontificate may not last "very long," said Allen, author of a 2000 biography of Ratzinger, "Cardinal Ratzinger: The Vatican's Enforcer of the Faith."

"About two years ago he was experiencing fatigue, but appears to have picked up from that," Allen said.

Ratzinger's brother Georg Ratzinger has raised questions about whether someone of the pope's age is fit for the post.

Before Benedict was elected pope, Georg Ratzinger said he was "convinced" that his brother would "be spared from this burden. At age 78, it's not good to take on such a job which challenges the entire person and the physical and mental existence," Allen said.

"At an age when you approach 80, it's no longer guaranteed that one is able to work and get up the next day."

this may explain why people grow more conservative as they age

as far as benedict16, he comes off as a complete fanatic and will draw away several catholics, from reports on all major newschannels, the verdict is clear that catholics are very disappointed with this choice

Apostate · Post by **Apostate** » April 20, 2005, 6:16 pm

Voronwë wrote:thanks Marb for the clarifications on the dates. i messed up another one. I called the break between Constantinople and Rome "the Great Schism". That actually happened in 1450 when there were 3 simultaneous Popes.

The Great Schism was ended in 1415 with the Council of Constance, which may well have been one of the largest councils ever convened by the church (18,000+). Anti-popes John the 23rd and Benedict the 13th were deposed (though Benedict refused to recognize the legitimacy of it until his death in 1522) and pope Gregory the 12th abdicated, making way for a unified Pope Martin the 12th to take control.

What's significant about the council isn't just that it ended the Great Western Schism though, but also that John Hus (who was more or less promised safe passage to the Council so he could talk of his reforms) was seized, declared a heretic, and burned at the stake, in one of the least ambiguous rejections of reforms in the history of the papcy. This triggered 20 years of war in Bohemia and Germany with his followers which in turn helped pave the way for Martin Luther a good 80 years later.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » April 20, 2005, 6:22 pm

but i learned in the skhool that the quantifying belief for a religion to qualify as christian is the belief of the holy trinity and a specific example of a religion that did not qualify was mormonism and my teacher was a minister who gave me an a+ on my paper about scientology because it told me to kill myself if i didnt convert to scientology and then john travolta flew into the movie screen and was like yep if u dont you might as well throw urself off a bridge and i was like whoa what just happened and then i went to some room and they were like is your chair real? is it unreal? make that shit real bitch or we're going to poison you! good!

Voronwë wrote:well Mormons view Jesus as the Messiah, which probably is probably sufficient to call a group "Christian".

sure you might say that they have some pretty peculiar beliefs in addition to that (God has a physical body) and that the various books they have (Book of Mormon, etc) are the literal "Word of God".

anyways, their wierd, but they are Christians.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 20, 2005, 6:23 pm

they do believe in the Holy Trinity at least as far as Wikipedia tells me.

Wikipedia is smartor than your teacher!!

Mr Bacon · Post by **Mr Bacon** » April 20, 2005, 6:28 pm

pope snake eyes 4tw

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » April 20, 2005, 6:37 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:How about not defining them as anything but yet another religious group. How is any one religoius group any more valid than any other?

Some religions are worthy of respect for their foundations are built off of being good, doing good, etc. Some religions are not.

But neither of them are any more valid than any other. So why bother with this baseless classification of Christian, Protestant, Baptist, Evangelical, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.?

Nevermind. I am just talking out of frustration. I understand this is a belief structure groups of people have and are valid because they believe them to be. As long as they aren't hurting anyone or breaking laws then why should we concern ourselves with what they are doing, believing, etc.

Amen.

Well a few to think about is the massive Vatican structure that Catholics have. Their influence is probably the most widespread or at least second most widespread. It goes down to even the years. People who aren't Christians count their years after the death of Christ. Muslims, Buddhists, Jewish, etc. do this. I'm not aware of any other religious organization as massive as the Vatican. Perhaps that is ignorace, and if it is, someone feel free to point out another. It seems to me that Christian influece is truly worldwide.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 20, 2005, 7:01 pm

Fo shizzle yo great schism

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 20, 2005, 7:50 pm

Mormons believe:

In God the Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Ghost as the Godhead and that they are three seperate beings but are ONE in purpose.

But as far as the "Trinity"...um, that document thing written in Constantinople (sp) in 400 something AD...if you can read and it and make any sort of sense or logic out of it then my hat is off to you.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » April 20, 2005, 8:20 pm

Voronwë wrote:they do believe in the Holy Trinity at least as far as Wikipedia tells me.

Wikipedia is smartor than your teacher!!

wikipedia is for angsty blogqueen emo faggots

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 20, 2005, 11:03 pm

true dat.

i understand why persons might agree that the Mormons are not truly believing in the Trinity. regardless, i think for all of our purposes, they are at the very least "Christian-oid"

and every last one is a crazy wierdo too.

except Dale Murphy.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 21, 2005, 12:35 am

Christian-oid

what is so crazy weirdo-sih about mormons?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » April 21, 2005, 2:12 am

*buzz* what is with the pope name chosing thingie?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 21, 2005, 2:03 pm

Drasta wrote:*buzz* what is with the pope name chosing thingie?

Jesus renamed his apostles.

Like Saul became Paul or Peter. anyway, and the Papacy is an "Apostolic succession". That is my guess anyway.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » April 21, 2005, 2:54 pm

no mormons believe a bunch of faggy aliens created earth and that sinners who couldn't turn into a star when they died returned to earth as black people
this is all fact

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 21, 2005, 3:00 pm

lmao that's funny i've been mormon all my life and that is the first i've heard of it. thanks for educating me stragi. i really can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not b/c i've heard crazier things about mormons that people swore up and down were true so it makes it hard to tell.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » April 21, 2005, 5:36 pm

Everything I know about Mormons I sourced from Orgasmo.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » April 21, 2005, 6:04 pm

who linked that crazy cartoon here a few years back which was a huge explanation of the mormon religion? it was hilarity personafied.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 21, 2005, 7:45 pm

orgasmo was funny

but it doesn't cost anything to get married in a mormon temple.

i admit mormons are wierd to say the least but not crazy.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » April 21, 2005, 8:23 pm

Mormons are no weirder than any other religious group.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 22, 2005, 12:49 am

Mormonisim is actually a rather detailed religion. Sure, it's easy to point out it's faults, but it's overall mythology is pretty solid as far as religons go. Better yet is it's overall meaning/message to it's followers. If there were ever an enforced world religion, I would pick Mormonism over most.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » April 22, 2005, 9:30 am

Fairweather Pure wrote:Mormonisim is actually a rather detailed religion. Sure, it's easy to point out it's faults, but it's overall mythology is pretty solid as far as religons go. Better yet is it's overall meaning/message to it's followers. If there were ever an enforced world religion, I would pick Mormonism over most.

its not there mythology thats "out of whack" but some of there lifestyles...hell look at the rastafarian religion, there mythologys are arguably more "out of whack" then the mormon religion yet there lifestyle is one of peace and love, they are probrably the "best christians" as far as an established religion goes

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » April 22, 2005, 12:20 pm

Rastas are cool.

Any religion that considers an obscure Ethiopian monarch the embodiment of God on Earth must be the way to believe...and there's that whole "lamb's bread" thing too...

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » April 22, 2005, 5:18 pm

Tenuvil wrote:Rastas are cool.

Any religion that considers an obscure Ethiopian monarch the embodiment of God on Earth must be the way to believe...and there's that whole "lamb's bread" thing too...

i already stated that there mythology is even more "out of whack" then the moron religion, yet there lifestyle is very positive...to proove that people dont regard most mormons in a negative light for there mythology but for (the majority of morons) there close minded lifestyles

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » April 22, 2005, 5:58 pm

A few years ago, a friend of mine signed up my name, address, and phone number to receive a free bible and message about God from the Mormons. They called me to 'set up my appointment,' and I figured it couldn't hurt to listen, so I headed over to their church and listened to their sales pitch.

Nice folks. Seemed like a solid religion. I was particularly impressed with their sense of community. I got the impression that Mormons genuinely will help other Mormons out when they need it. They just seemed like positive people who took care of their own. Being an atheist I wasn't really interested, but it gave me a positive impression of their religion. Plus, now I have a bible (the only one i've ever owned) and a book or mormon, some of which i've read, and both of which make excellent additions to my library.

If I drive west on the Washington beltway for about 15 miles, I round a turn and see an enormous Mormon temple raising from the horizon. It kind of looks like Oz, but white.

I've always heard that members of certain racial minorities are restricted in what floors they can access in the temple and so on. I have no idea if this information is valid or not. Any idea, nobody?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 22, 2005, 6:19 pm

The Mormon religion has been shaped as society changed. For example, they disallowed poligamy in order to be granted statehood. The church's official stance is that god told the prophet that they no longer needed multiple wives to repopulate all that were lost when they traveled west to avoid religious persecution. (I believe once they arrived at Zion, or Utah as it is now known, the female to male ratio was 6 to one or some shit.)

Anyway, the treatment of both blacks and women have changed within the church as society deems neccessary. I think it wasn't until the 1980's that women were allowed to be missionaries. Lo and behold, when male recruitment was down, women were given the right to become missionaries

With blacks, they were not able to hold/practise the power of the priesthood until 1978-79ish I think. It has to do with the Mormon mythos about the Hamites being cursed/punished by God. Btw, "Hamites" is the old way of saying blacks apparently. There were exceptions to the rule, but basically, blacks were the decendats of Cain (ie: Cain and Able), and therefore unable to hold the power of the priesthood. Yadda, Yadda, now they can. Most Mormons don't even know about this. The ones that do keep it in the closet because it's not exactley a shining spot on thier record.

I can wax Mormonism all day. I was pretty well versed at one time.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 22, 2005, 6:26 pm

Oh yeah, Mormons do take care of thier own. They even have national emergency plans where they take care of Mormons first, outsiders second. They also have thier own church welfare program where they pay your bills and buy food for your family, no questions asked. They also encourage members to have a 1 or 2 year supply of food and water in your homes at all times, a practice my parents still keep even after leaving the church a decade ago.

They are extremely pro-family. Family is the absolute center of the Mormon religion. I believe that's one of the reasons it attracts a particular type of person to join it's ranks. (White, Middle Class, Educated) In all my dealings with the Church and it's members they were honest, genuine, and warm people. That's everyone from the janitor to the Stake Presidents.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 22, 2005, 6:39 pm

According to Reggie White, the Latino has the gift of the family. you can find 30 mexicans living in a house.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 22, 2005, 8:01 pm

Voronwë wrote:According to Reggie White, the Latino has the gift of the family. you can find 30 mexicans living in a house.

And asians are really creative:

Reggie White wrote:When you look at the Asians, the Asian is very gifted in creation, creativity and inventions. If you go to Japan or any Asian country, they can turn a television into a watch. They're very creative.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » April 22, 2005, 8:39 pm

edit:wrong place

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 24, 2005, 4:46 pm

Sueven wrote: Any idea, nobody?

sorry i've been out of town this weekend. to answer your question, i have been through the temple and seen everything in there that there is to see. when i went for my first time it was in Atlanta, GA and had a black gentleman administer to me my "covenants". all that goes on in the temple is you making promises to God. no retarded stuff like people claim. they are promises to live a good christian life, nothing more. and in return you are promised by God to be blessed. the reason it's so "secret" is to keep the experience sacred to those that care about it and not have it belittled by people that love to mock.

Joseph Smith said the US wasn't ready for blacks to be allowed to have the priesthood. it was such an issue for so many people in the US and the church was so young and persecuted enough already. in fact, Joseph Smith ordained a black man to the priesthood before the doctrine was changed to say blacks couldn't have the priesthood. even after the doctrine was changed that man was still allowed to hold the priesthood.

about polygamy: mormons believe that there was an apostacy and sometime between Christ, and the time the mormon church was founded, many of the truths about the gospel was lost or scattered. i won't get into the details of that b/c i respect other christian religions and don't want to appear critical. basically Joseph Smith felt that all the churches were good but none of them had it 100% right. and if you think about it, if God is real why would He have a church that wasn't 100% true doctrinally(sp)? in the Old Testamant, God commanded a few prophets to prac tice polygamy in order to grow and populate his people. in order to have everything restored polygamy was introduced. but i wasn't just to restore everything. the church needed it b/c the church lost so many men on its journey west. it helped both to take care of the widows and populate the church. a few things many people don't know about polygamy in the early church are that only 2% of the men practiced it and could only do so if they could provide equally for every member of their family. and in order to take a second wife, the first wife had to approve. by the time polygamy was done away with it had served its purpose. i've heard it compared to medicine, God only prescibes it when it is nessacary(sp).

i'm not trying to argue that polygamy is right or wrong just how mormons view it. if you think about it, it's kinda funny that people will brag about how many women they have slept with but marrying two women is evil. right now in the church if you practice polygamy you will be excommunicated.

and finally about food storage, i think it's a good idea regardless if it's a mormon thing or not.

again i am not trying to argue mormons are right or wrong just letting those who are curious hear it from their point of view.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » April 24, 2005, 6:59 pm

don't the mormons do bindings or something in the temple thingies?

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 24, 2005, 11:34 pm

what are bindings?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » April 25, 2005, 12:31 am

i was told they have something to do with the family in the afterlife or something

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 25, 2005, 12:37 am

oh, you mean sealings! heh i was a bit confused. sounded kinda kinky the way you put it heh

ya sealings are just like marriages except mormons beleive that if it is done in the temple you are still married in heaven after you die and will be with your family forever.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 25, 2005, 1:38 pm

Tell them about Jesus Jammies (garments) and sacred names! I enjoy reading other's interpretations of Mormonism

I've also done everything in the Mormon Temple, short of marriage. Babtisims for the dead are another fun one to explain if others really want to know. It's God's Loophole!

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 25, 2005, 2:57 pm

the mormons and the jews are having a dispute right now about baptizing for the holocost victims. the church agreed not to do it anymore but the jews are claiming they are still at it.

and no you do not baptize a dead corpse in case anyone was wondering.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » April 28, 2005, 3:12 am

oh and one last thing,

you might be a mormon if...

...you believe that Heck is where you go if you don't believe in Gosh.