Terri Schiavo

Deward · Post by **Deward** » March 23, 2005, 1:51 pm

The care that Terri is receiving now is probably quite expensive. My mother-in-law died a few months back after having Alzheimer's. She was in a care facility that charged $5000 per month straight out of my father-in-law's pocket. I imagine Terri's care costs a hell of a lot more. My wife is a RN and she has fed people through a tube before. That food isn't just whipped up in a blender. It costs something like $250 per feeding. $1 million dollars is long gone by now.

The reason that Michael doesn't divorce Terri could be financially motivated. In a divorce, he would have to give half his assets to her. If she then died, her parents would likely get everything because I don't think she had any kids.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 23, 2005, 2:10 pm

yeah i didnt think about that angle.

it would suck to have to give 50% of the value of your house to somebody who is effectively dead.

i wonder if she has life insurance? if it was 20 year level term that clock could be ticking. 30 yr, he's gtg.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 23, 2005, 2:37 pm

A three-judge panel in Atlanta early today voted 2-to-1 against ordering that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be reinserted. Her parents vow to keep fighting to keep their daughter alive. The brain-damaged woman has been without food or water since Friday.

Jeeze, I'm parched if I go without water for just a few hours. I thought you could only live without water for 2-3 days.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » March 23, 2005, 2:38 pm

Don't you need 2 parties to get a divorce? If she is incapable of communicating, how would this go down? Curious.

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » March 23, 2005, 4:04 pm

Lohrno wrote: Xzion posts enough to make me believe he isn't just a sheep who hates Bush 'Just because it's cool.'

Neither of you know Xzion too well

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » March 23, 2005, 8:36 pm

Lynks wrote:Don't you need 2 parties to get a divorce? If she is incapable of communicating, how would this go down? Curious.

Depending on the state laws, she could be ruled unfit and power of attorney would revert to either her spouse or parents.

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » March 23, 2005, 9:11 pm

Just let her die for god's sake.

a_guide · Post by **a_guide** » March 23, 2005, 10:44 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote: He just didn't advertise it like Bush, because he cares what the poles say...

Thats a lie! No one cares about stinky Pollacks

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » March 24, 2005, 2:38 am

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 24, 2005, 3:43 am

Deward wrote:The care that Terri is receiving now is probably quite expensive. My mother-in-law died a few months back after having Alzheimer's. She was in a care facility that charged $5000 per month straight out of my father-in-law's pocket. I imagine Terri's care costs a hell of a lot more. My wife is a RN and she has fed people through a tube before. That food isn't just whipped up in a blender. It costs something like $250 per feeding. $1 million dollars is long gone by now.

Voronwe wrote:i wonder if she has life insurance? if it was 20 year level term that clock could be ticking. 30 yr, he's gtg.

According to the WorldNet article that I linked, Schiavo said 50,000 dollars is still left in the account, and she has no life insurance.

Schiavo claims the money has been used to fund therapy for Terri and only about $50,000 remains in her fund. WorldNetDaily has reported, Felos has been paid some $358,000 from the fund and Schiavo's other attorney reportedly received $80,000. Schiavo added that there is no life insurance policy on Terri's life and stressed he stands to gain nothing financially from her death.

What I want to know is: what would happen if Michael Schiavo refused to pay after the 50,000 was gone because he didn't have enough money? Would the feeding tube just be pulled by default or would Terri's family and people who I'm sure wouldn't mind donating money have a chance to pay for the hospitalization and food (against Michael's wishes)?

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 24, 2005, 12:36 pm

interesting question.

an infant in Texas had his feeding tube removed earlier this year because there was "no chance of recovery" and there was no money to pay for it.

i dont think hospitals should be obligated to waste money and resources on patients that have close to zero chance of recovery.

Bill O'Reilly had an interesting solution in his radio show yesterday. People who want patients like Ms. Schiavo to live, should set up or contribute to a charitable organization that will foot the bill for them to be kept alive in a vegetative state in perpetuity.

anyway, Supreme Court just denied the request for feeding tube reinsertion.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » March 24, 2005, 12:54 pm

Rejected!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/24/schiavo/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court rejected Thursday an appeal by the parents of Terri Schiavo to have their severely brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube reinserted.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 24, 2005, 2:02 pm

She's got to be on the ropes by now. No water for 6 days is enough to kill anyone normally.

There must be a seekrit hidden feeding tube stuck in her.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » March 24, 2005, 2:04 pm

I'm sure this is tearing her parents up, but you have to ask yourself if your child would REALLY want to live in that state. Everytime I hear her folks talk about how she blinks and shit, I want to smack some sense into them. My fish doesn't blink, but he sure as fuck can feed himself.

Brotha · Post by **Brotha** » March 24, 2005, 4:11 pm

Voronwë wrote:interesting question.

an infant in Texas had his feeding tube removed earlier this year because there was "no chance of recovery" and there was no money to pay for it.

i dont think hospitals should be obligated to waste money and resources on patients that have close to zero chance of recovery.

Bill O'Reilly had an interesting solution in his radio show yesterday. People who want patients like Ms. Schiavo to live, should set up or contribute to a charitable organization that will foot the bill for them to be kept alive in a vegetative state in perpetuity.

anyway, Supreme Court just denied the request for feeding tube reinsertion.

Thx info! (wow I haven't heard that saying in a long time!)

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » March 24, 2005, 4:18 pm

masteen wrote:I'm sure this is tearing her parents up, but you have to ask yourself if your child would REALLY want to live in that state. Everytime I hear her folks talk about how she blinks and shit, I want to smack some sense into them. My fish doesn't blink, but he sure as fuck can feed himself.

They were saying today that she no longer tracks them with her eyes. Did she ever do this?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 24, 2005, 4:33 pm

Lohrno wrote:
masteen wrote:I'm sure this is tearing her parents up, but you have to ask yourself if your child would REALLY want to live in that state. Everytime I hear her folks talk about how she blinks and shit, I want to smack some sense into them. My fish doesn't blink, but he sure as fuck can feed himself.
They were saying today that she no longer tracks them with her eyes. Did she ever do this?

For fuck's sake Lohrno.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » March 25, 2005, 12:57 am

She has a mind of a 2 month year old. It will never go beyond that due to the fact 95% of her brain is liquid.

They would put a bright colored ballon in front of her face and move it. She would look at it for about 3inches and then go back to gazing off in to the wild blue yonder.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 25, 2005, 1:01 am

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » March 25, 2005, 1:07 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:For fuck's sake Lohrno.

Not trying to be dense just trying to explore all possibilities...I doubt it but...

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » March 25, 2005, 1:08 am

WHAT DOES TRIPOD HAVE TO DO WITH THIS?!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 25, 2005, 1:09 am

Raistin wrote:WHAT DOES TRIPOD HAVE TO DO WITH THIS?!

lol, I fixed it. Damn Tripod fookers.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » March 25, 2005, 1:14 am

hahah thats fucked up. Timmy knows more about whats going on than this chick.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » March 25, 2005, 1:36 am

Raistin wrote:She has a mind of a 2 month year old. It will never go beyond that due to the fact 95% of her brain is liquid.

They would put a bright colored ballon in front of her face and move it. She would look at it for about 3inches and then go back to gazing off in to the wild blue yonder.

That's pretty sad...I could go and ask whether we have the right to end 2 month olds' lives, but probably they actually have more mental facilities...

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » March 25, 2005, 1:48 am

Best replies by Mid in a long time, great work!

iandaina · Post by **iandaina** » March 25, 2005, 2:03 am

Winnow wrote:She's got to be on the ropes by now. No water for 6 days is enough to kill anyone normally.

There must be a seekrit hidden feeding tube stuck in her.

After the tube is pulled, with no IV's etc., 12-14 days is the average amount of time it takes for someone to die.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » March 28, 2005, 3:27 pm

My issue with this is that all the religious people are freaking out over nothing. If there really is a heaven, is it not beter to let her go from the personal hell she has been living in? Religion teaches people that heaven is a wonderful place, let her go. Does it really benefit her to leave her in that shell she has been living in?

I am not a religious person - I just remember my mom would take me to the sunrise services when I came home with a hangover in high school - but if there is some wonderful place she will be going, who are these morons to stop her. If there is no place to go, guess what, she already is trapped in a constant state of nothing, let her rest, let her family rest, they may not realize it now, but it is also the best thing for them as well. A

s a parent, I think it would be far more difficult to see my once heathly child sitting there, braindead, but alive. I would rather they passed and I could have the memories of their life, not some living doll as someone put it.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 28, 2005, 5:09 pm

thanks to all the protesters and congestion at the hospice somebody over the weekend missed their grandfather dieing. apparently they got a phone call saying he was fading fast, and because of all the traffic, they didn't get there in time.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » March 28, 2005, 5:30 pm

i hope jack bauer storms the hospice and counterstrikes some xian bitches knife to skull style. ur the real terrorists omg!

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » March 28, 2005, 10:52 pm

missed the whole convo but here's my take

She died when she had the heart attack. The majority of her brain has atrophied and been replaced by liquid. If there was any question about it then, its pretty much settled now. She's very much dead.

My argument is, why starve her to death? Thats one of the most grotesque and inhuman ways you can die. Even if you can't feel pain. Its grotesque and disturbing to the public. So, why are we affording serial killers a quiet, peaceful injection and killing her slowly over a period of weeks?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » March 29, 2005, 12:00 am

My argument is, why starve her to death? Thats one of the most grotesque and inhuman ways you can die. Even if you can't feel pain. Its grotesque and disturbing to the public. So, why are we affording serial killers a quiet, peaceful injection and killing her slowly over a period of weeks?

Ask the pro-life zealots.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » March 29, 2005, 11:29 am

I DONT THINK THE TERRORISTS ARE GOING TO GET THE CHANCE TO SHOOT JACK

nobody · Post by **nobody** » March 29, 2005, 4:15 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/polit ... onate.html

ASHINGTON, March 28 - The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups.

miir · Post by **miir** » March 29, 2005, 4:22 pm

nnggggh..

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 29, 2005, 4:23 pm

maybe they will be willing to pay for her to live in perpetuity, instead of the taxpayers.

like the kid who got the plug pulled on him in Texas thanks to the legislation that the governor of that state in 1999 signed into law.

Always err on the right side of life! *whistle*

wait thats not how it goes...

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » March 29, 2005, 4:28 pm

nobody wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/polit ... onate.html

ASHINGTON, March 28 - The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups.

This makes me super glad I think her parents are assinine.

They needed to let go of the poor girl years ago. A vegetable state is no way to live.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » March 29, 2005, 4:36 pm

IMHO It doesn't matter one way or the other since she's probably really dead already anyways. There are just matters of philosophy/ethics now...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 29, 2005, 5:04 pm

Lohrno wrote:IMHO It doesn't matter one way or the other since she's probably really dead already anyways. There are just matters of philosophy/ethics now...

i think there are quite a bit of constitutional law questions at stake as well.

i think it is entirely relevant whether or not the governor of some state, against 22(?)+ judicial actions can use the police power of government to take custody of somebody from the legal guardian (spouse). that is the legislative action being considered in Tallahassee tomorrow.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » March 29, 2005, 5:11 pm

Jeezus FFS WTF is wrong with this country? I really hope that gets thrown out immediately.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » March 29, 2005, 5:12 pm

Sirensa wrote:
nobody wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/polit ... onate.html

ASHINGTON, March 28 - The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups.

This makes me super glad I think her parents are assinine.

They needed to let go of the poor girl years ago. A vegetable state is no way to live.

That's easy to say when it's not you in their shoes not wanting to let go of their daughter they love. I would think I wouldn't want my child to live as a Veggiemon, but if I was actually put in that situation I might react differently. I may not want to let go.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » March 29, 2005, 6:03 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:That's easy to say when it's not you in their shoes not wanting to let go of their daughter they love. I would think I wouldn't want my child to live as a Veggiemon, but if I was actually put in that situation I might react differently. I may not want to let go.

It is easy to say, though not easy to do. I've been in a situation where my family has had to decide to unplug a loved one - because we respected his wishes not to live connected to machines. It was extremely painful and you don't want to let go, but you have to. That's one of the unfortunate aspects of live.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » March 29, 2005, 6:24 pm

nobody wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/polit ... onate.html

ASHINGTON, March 28 - The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups.

I seriously hope the parents first loose the Terri case, THEN get sued by everyone who get a spammail from that company.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 29, 2005, 6:41 pm

My belief is that if she is in a persistant vegatitive state and didn't want to live this way then let her die, he wishes and he parents respect that.

However there are some strange things that keep popping up. Like if her brain really is mush, then why haven't they done an MRI? Seems to me like that would stop some of the fighting...

Also why don't they bring in some objective Dr.s from somewhere else, I'm sure SOMEONE would give the money... and let them examine her.

If I was this dude I would not only want to respect her wishes but also for everyone to know what we being done was the right thing to do. There are all these people screaming over this and with a few procedues I think a lot of it could be MOOT... speaking of MOOT we now even have Jessie Jackson involved... Please someone do something!

Marb

miir · Post by **miir** » March 29, 2005, 6:58 pm

Lohrno wrote:That's pretty sad...I could go and ask whether we have the right to end 2 month olds' lives, but probably they actually have more mental facilities...

yup....

A 2 month old can indicate that they are hungry.
A 2 month old will eat if you put a nipple 2 inches in front of their face.
A 2 month old will scream and wail VERY loudly if they don't get food.

This woman can do none of those things making her less developed than a 2 month old.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » March 29, 2005, 6:59 pm

When we decided to pull the plug on my grandmother back in February, the doctor said something to my grandfather that really made sense.

"Today, we have all this wonderful medicine to fix all kinds of problems but its not always the right thing to do. Without the meds we've been giving Virginia she probably would've left days ago."

At that point my grandfather decided to stop the treatments and meds and let his wife of 65 years go to her reward.

I wonder if this decision shouldn't have been made a long time ago in this case....

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » March 29, 2005, 7:00 pm

the court did appoint an "objective doctor" a long time ago who said her chances of recover are "nonexistent".

sure he could be potentially wrong, hell if i know. but if this is such an inconclusive case, then why have 22+ court cases all gone the same way? many of the prominant judges involved are largely regarded as being conservative as well.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 29, 2005, 7:03 pm

miir wrote: A 2 month old will eat if you put a nipple 2 inches in front of their face.

As you get older, the distance increases to the point where you'll seek out and eat if you see nipple within 100 feet...the range then decreases again as the eyesight deteriorates.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » March 29, 2005, 7:21 pm

Thanks Vor, I didn't know that... trying to find out more informaiton but none of the news sites really have anything objective it seems like. Fox is ridiculas and CNN just has the same thing it's had

In regards to the nipple I think that is somewhat dependant on the size and the familarity of the said older person with the nipple

Marb

Knibble · Post by **Knibble** » March 29, 2005, 8:12 pm

Winnow wrote:
miir wrote: A 2 month old will eat if you put a nipple 2 inches in front of their face.
As you get older, the distance increases to the point where you'll seek out and eat if you see nipple within 100 feet...the range then decreases again as the eyesight deteriorates.

LMAO head in the gutter again Winnow.It's all about the nipples eh

Badabidi · Post by **Badabidi** » March 30, 2005, 8:00 pm

Jesse Jackson is even down here now making speaches and attracting press to himself, this is a joke.