re: Midnyte and Kierkegaard

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I hope your mom gets better Teeny, she'll be in my thoughts (although that sounds kind of bad :P ).

Of the "intelligent" posters you mentioned, with the exception of Winnow (although by referring to at "one time" you might have been referring to when he wasn't so pro-Republican) have one thing in common- they're all anti-Bush, while a couple of them have posted so rarely in this forum I can't even remember their positions. Not a surpise though, as anyone who supports Bush is "dumb and/or ignorant."

Before you edited that post it said "60 million Germans can't be wrong," wow another Nazi Germany reference in regards to America. Where do you come up with the time to do so much original, intellectual thinking?

You'll be missed Teeny, we need more open minded people such as yourself.

But really, I'm not at all happy that you're leaving this forum. While the content of your posts was about as repetitive as "You have added this person to your Ignore List. Click HERE to view this post" would have been, I never ignored you and certainly didn't mind seeing the other side's views.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Dimebag? I said it was shocking it happened to a man named dimebag. Trouble finds people who open themselves up to trouble happening to them by partaking in troublesome events.
So.. basically.. what you're saying.. is that people that perform in musical shows are opening themselves up to trouble happening to them.. because concerts and such are troublesome events.

I get it now. It's all so clear.

I can't express the amount of pity I feel for your complete lack of reality.
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Trias wrote:i dunno where you think he contributes well to the current events board(not that i do), but in reading, all i see is a bunch of anti-american posts from him that are inflammatory 99% of the time or some very negative responses to other peoples' posts to bait them

i see teeny as a forum troll more than a contributor :P...though i hope his mom gets better on the unrelated topic front.
While I agree he is very negative much of time, I fel any input is good when try to discuss an issue. By hearing someones discontent you can look at an issue a different way. Try to see things through there eyes. You may not agree at all. Maybe you can help that person see something they haven't seen and vice versa. Just my opinion.
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Like it or not you'll find that Teeny's views are probably held by quite a lot of people in Europe. Just as like it or not, you'll probably find that there are quite a lot of people who share Midnyte's opinions about things.

i'm not sure any of us are "singularly" insightful on anything :p
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Voronwë wrote:Like it or not you'll find that Teeny's views are probably held by quite a lot of people in Europe. Just as like it or not, you'll probably find that there are quite a lot of people who share Midnyte's opinions about things.

i'm not sure any of us are "singularly" insightful on anything :p
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Good point Voro.
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Siji wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Dimebag? I said it was shocking it happened to a man named dimebag. Trouble finds people who open themselves up to trouble happening to them by partaking in troublesome events.
So.. basically.. what you're saying.. is that people that perform in musical shows are opening themselves up to trouble happening to them.. because concerts and such are troublesome events.

I get it now. It's all so clear.

I can't express the amount of pity I feel for your complete lack of reality.
What he is/was saying is that it did not register as an enormous shock when someone whose name is derived from the drug trade gets shot and killed.

If you posted that someone named Crack Pipe Carl got shot this weekend do you think it would be a great surprise if I did not know who he was off the top of my head?

You dumbfucks need to be less selective when you apply common sense. If Sylvus or someone from teh fnord posted the same shit Midnyte did, you sheep would follow it as the gospel of Christ.
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Only an idiot would jump the gun and assume what this person was all about.

And I really don't think Sylvus would post something like that. It looks like he has a far cooler head than Midnyte.
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Lynks wrote:And I really don't think Sylvus would post something like that. It looks like he has a far cooler head than Midnyte.
I thought there was a rule against making fun of RL appearances!
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lol :P
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Lynks wrote:Only an idiot would jump the gun and assume what this person was all about.

And I really don't think Sylvus would post something like that. It looks like he has a far cooler head than Midnyte.

And only an idiot would automatically assume that everyone knows who the lead guitarist is for every band on the planet. I have listened to a lot of metal and I had no idea who the fuck that guy was when I heard about it.

If you grab a nickname like that then you can pretty much live with people making assumptions. It would sound to me like he was proud of being a drugged out loser.
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Brotha wrote:
You'll be missed Teeny, we need more open minded people such as yourself.
i'll be a dick and say that where do you think that Teeny is openminded?...he is one of the 4 or so people that i'd say are the most close-minded on this forum...if you don't agree with him you are his target

and i'm not saying i agree or disagree with many of the topics he brings up...i just think that the way he pushes his opinion at people isn't a way that would cause him to receive much positive response...and now he is upset and not going to post here because of the abusive feedback he is given in return for his?...just seems petty *shrug*

i guess it's a can't take the heat, so get out of the kitchen situation on a forum rather than a you made the bed so sleep in it kind of thing :P
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When did I say you should know off the top of your head? What I am saying is, don't make stupid comments if you know nothing of the subject, like he obviously did.
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Trias wrote:
Brotha wrote:
You'll be missed Teeny, we need more open minded people such as yourself.
i'll be a dick and say that where do you think that Teeny is openminded?...he is one of the 4 or so people that i'd say are the most close-minded on this forum...if you don't agree with him you are his target
I was being sarcastic. Read it again in context :P
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haha kk ^^
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Post by Kilmoll the Sexy »

Lynks wrote:Only an idiot would jump the gun and assume what this person was all about.
Right there is where you basically said it. I am just guessing here, but I would imagine once Mid saw the guy's name was "dimebag" he really didn't think he was worth the effort to research him. I would most likely have to concur with that. I won't be doing any research when Cornhole Chris dies of AIDS either.

BTW....Sylvus may be less hotheaded, but he also would get a lot more leeway from the liberal side of this board no matter what he said. You are all so ready to jump anyone who the current target would be that it doesn't matter what they say. Midnyte could post that the sky is blue and at least 7 liberal slanting assweaves would be on here within minutes calling him a skyophobe.
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If he wasn't worth the research, then he shouldn't be worth a comment, and yet he did.
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You aren't worth the research, yet I am commenting on you. That is the way things work here on the VV.
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its an internet messageboard, the good and bad thing is that pretty much anybody with a computer can "contribute".

there are no minimum standards of competency required.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You aren't worth the research, yet I am commenting on you. That is the way things work here on the VV.
poor argument.

First off, you aren't commenting on me. IF you were, you would say something about me. Secondly, if you did make a comment about me, with not knowing who I was, then this comes back to my main point. You are an idiot if you make a comment about a person you know nothing about.
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Post by *~*stragi*~* »

sup trias fyi its called the nice guy pose not the THUMBS UP
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
Lynks wrote:Only an idiot would jump the gun and assume what this person was all about.

And I really don't think Sylvus would post something like that. It looks like he has a far cooler head than Midnyte.

And only an idiot would automatically assume that everyone knows who the lead guitarist is for every band on the planet. I have listened to a lot of metal and I had no idea who the fuck that guy was when I heard about it.

If you grab a nickname like that then you can pretty much live with people making assumptions. It would sound to me like he was proud of being a drugged out loser.
Read the thread again. It's quite plain from the title of the thread, the article that was the initial post in the thread, and the next 10 or 15 messages prior to Midnyte's post that he was the guitarist for a band and was shot in a club. Dr. Common Sense over there should have been able to piece together that he wasn't shot in a shady drug deal gone wrong.

At any rate, "Dimebag" Darrel is worthy of contempt because he may or may not have used drugs, yet "Dimebag" Dubya admits on tape that he's used marijuana and the thread dies after 12 responses. Where is the left-wing conspiracy to villify him over it?!

And finally, please stop pointing to me like I'm some liberal posterboy. I'M NOT A FUCKING LIBERAL. I just think George Bush is a douchebag, and I hate half-wits. That's a lot of the reason why I don't like cartalas, midnyte or our esteemed president, it has nothing to do with their political leanings. I'm guessing you'd call yourself a conservative, Kilmoll, and you don't see me coming after your posts. Why? Because you don't come off like an erudite professor who thinks he's always right, when in reality you're a troglodyte mashing the buttons on your keyboard to quote the bumper stickers of your rival political party (read: kierkegaard).
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Question:

How did "Dimebag Darrell" die? Was it due to a drug overdose, a drug deal gone wrong, or any other interpersonal interaction that involved drugs in any way whatsoever?

No? Then what the fuck makes you think that the quick judgement you made has any validity whatsoever?

If his name was Greg "Glock" Gardner, then maybe the judgement would have made sense. Alternately, if he had died of the mythical marijuana overdose, then the judgement would make sense.



The reason I started this thread wasn't to bash Midnyte for quoting a "liberal" philosopher. Such a view is incredibly simplistic and ignores the complexity of his work. Midnyte seems to recognize this fact, but those people blindly criticizing or supporting him don't seem to.

I actually brought up the subject because I think that Kierkegaard wrote some beautifully scathing critiques of a particular lifestyle that I wondered if Midnyte associated with the "liberals" on this board. The parallel certainly isn't ideal, as Kierkegaard was a Christian philosopher and Midnyte's an atheist, but I felt that he made some salient points in the work that Midnyte quoted that I thought might have provided some insight into Mid's thinking. Specifically...
Judge Vilhelm wrote:Were I to imagine an artist, a painter, for example, who becomes blind, then if there was any depth in him he might perhaps despair. What he despairs over, then, is this particular thing, and if his sight returned the despair would cease. This is not the case with you. You are far too gifted mentally, and your soul is in a sense to deep for this to happen to you. Nor, in outward respects, has any such misfortune befallen you. You still have in your power all the requirements of an aesthetic life-view. You have wealth, independence, your health is unimpaired, your mind is still vigorous, and you have not yet been made unhappy by a young girl not wanting to love you. Yours is no current despair but a despair in thought. Your thought has hurried on ahead, you have seen through the vanity of everything but you have not come any further. On occasion you duck down into it and in abandoning yourself for a single moment to pleasure you discover also, in your consciousness, that it is vanity. You are thus constantly beyond yourself, that is to say, in despair. This is why your life lies between two huge antitheses: sometimes you are intemperately energetic, at others just as immoderately indolent...
Judge Vilhelm wrote:According to circumstance, you work untiringly for a day, for a month, you are happy in the assurance that you will have the same abundance of strength as before, you take no rest, 'no Satan can keep up with you.' If you work together with others, you work them into the ground. But then when the month or, what you always consider the maximum, the six months, have gone by, you break off and say 'and that's the end of the story.' You retire and leave it all to the other party, or if you have been working alone you talk to no one about what you were doing. You then pretend to yourself and others that you have lost the desire and flatter yourself with the vain thought that you could have kept working with the same intensity if that is what you desired. But that is an immense deception. You would have succeeded in finishing it, as most others, if you had patiently willed it so, but you would have found out at the same time that it needs a kind of perseverance quite different from yours...
Johannes de Silentio wrote:Venerable Father Abraham! Second father to the human race! You who first saw and bore witness to that tremendous passion that scorns the fearful struggle with the raging elements and forces of creation in order to struggle with God instead, you who first knew that supreme passion, which the pagans admired-- forgive him who would speak in your praise if he did not do it correctly. He spoke humbly, seeing it is his heart's desire; he spoke briefly, as is fitting; but he will never forget that you needed a hundred years to get the son of your old age, against every expectation, that you had to draw the knife before keeping Isaac; he will never forget that in one hundred and thirty years you got no further than faith.
It's pretty meaningless removed from context, but it's brilliant, complex stuff, and absolutely cannot be boiled down to "liberal" or "conservative," especially considering that the words now represent concepts that didn't really exist in 1850.
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Stragi wrote:sup trias fyi its called the nice guy pose not the THUMBS UP
thumbs up is just one part of the nice guy pose!
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