Venting

Rainus · Post by **Rainus** » November 12, 2002, 2:09 pm

Estrosiath and Mithrul you two are fucked up piss of shit

Telling me I can't roll on a parchment AFTER I fricking won the roll for it
Just coz I'm playing a melee and AFTER I fricking remove my two box cleric so that Mithrul can join group

Note this is a pickup group and there is no loot rules set or agreed prior to

I hope you two sorry son of bitches never roll on non-priest, caster loot and if you do .. may you rot in hell

And to the rest of you .. you can either flame me or tell these two asses to stuff it up their asses

Sorry if I think I'm entitled to roll on any loot that drops if I want to seeing this is a pickup group and I did contribute to the kill and to those of you that don't agree .. a very big fuck you

/venting off

sigh .. first parchment I've ever won roll on and I don't get it .. life sucks

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » November 12, 2002, 2:16 pm

.. life sucks

Why dont you go kill yourself then?

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 12, 2002, 2:18 pm

Oofta Eb, that's harsh. Semi-funny but harsh.

I agree though, if you participate on the kill you should have an equal chance at the loot. Who cares if you can't use it, it is still worth some plat to those who can.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 12, 2002, 2:21 pm

Winnow's formula for parchment loot order:

/random 1000
-add your level to your roll
-add your AAs to your roll
-add your character's days played to the roll
-add add your stats and resists unbuffed to the roll (add buffed stats if you're a shaman)

Take the resulting number and hold onto it as a tie breaker in case there's an exact match on two names using the reverse alpha loot method.

Works for me.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 12, 2002, 2:22 pm

Damn, by the time you figure that all out the mob would have poofed.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 12, 2002, 2:24 pm

the great unwashed!

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » November 12, 2002, 2:25 pm

If everyone knew that parchments could drop, it is collectively the fault of everyone in the group that you did not have a loot agreement before the parchment dropped in the first place.

Personally, if I had been in a group with you (or any melee) and you insisted on rolling on parchements for your 2-box out of group gimp, I would have simply opened up the slot in the group for your gimp by leaving. Which is nothing against you and probably why I don't participate in pick up groups very often. If you want parchments for your gimps or to sell the spells afterwards, great. No system is inherently better than any other.

You (as with the rest of your group) were stupid for not realizing that everyone would not feel exactly as you did on the matter. You would have avoided the need to make this post if you had simply clarified things up front and then decided wether you wanted to stay in a group with a different perspective on loot than yours.

Melrin_Specclaster · November 12, 2002, 2:34 pm

Are for casters. I guess there isnt any real argument bigger than greed here, but you did help it drop too, at least others can use the spells. To each his own.

Good example why I never do p/u groups

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 12, 2002, 2:35 pm

If you didn't know the people you probably should have discussed it beforehand. Most pickup groups deal with these things well.

I had a group in Valor and 3 of the 4 casters had parchments already when we added another caster it was pretty simple to give the following parchment drop to the remaining caster that hadn't received one and put the added caster next in line.

Typically, common sense works well.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 12, 2002, 2:46 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:it is collectively the fault of everyone in the group that you did not have a loot agreement before the parchment dropped in the first place.

/agree

Might make me seem like a dick, but I always ask when grouped with non-guildies (which isn't often). Especially when I'm the only one in the group not from guild_x.

I'm fond of alpha loot myself

Zygar_ Cthulhukin · Post by **Zygar_ Cthulhukin** » November 12, 2002, 3:03 pm

Alpha loot sux!

Estrosiath · Post by **Estrosiath** » November 12, 2002, 3:20 pm

Were you dual-boxing your gimps for the group's benefit? No.
I do agree we should have discussed this beforehand - it's just that in no other pick-up group I had ever been into ( even PoN hob or spiders ) pure melees ever got to roll on parchments.

Pubin · Post by **Pubin** » November 12, 2002, 3:23 pm

everquest sux

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » November 12, 2002, 3:25 pm

This reminds me of when casters walked off with FBSS in Lguk. God that sucked. I still don't roll on caster shit less nobody can use...

Rainus · Post by **Rainus** » November 12, 2002, 3:44 pm

double post

Rainus · Post by **Rainus** » November 12, 2002, 3:44 pm

Were you dual-boxing your gimps for the group's benefit? No.
I do agree we should have discussed this beforehand - it's just that in no other pick-up group I had ever been into ( even PoN hob or spiders ) pure melees ever got to roll on parchments.

I was going to leave this alone after I vented ..

1) I was in group with my Cleric before you even joined and logged her off and played rogue instead since Mithrul was lfg and we could pick up a cleric instead of looking for dps easy at that time

2) My beef is this .. I did my work in group I can goddamn roll whatever loot that drops during that time if I choose to unless there's a pre agreement

3) Saying all that shit AFTER I have rolled doesn't sit well with me sorry
If the group collective screw up, I take the loss alone ? Fuck off thanks

4) Whatever that rocks your boat man, but forgive me if I don't ever want to group with you two ever and I suspect you feel the same .. so good day

KilornCloudwalker · Post by **KilornCloudwalker** » November 12, 2002, 3:47 pm

Need
Before
Greed

this concept so outdated?

Mithrul_PravusDei · Post by **Mithrul_PravusDei** » November 12, 2002, 3:47 pm

lol

Your insightful comments are greatly appreciated. However, every group I have been in since I entered PoP, pick up or otherwise has stated that Casters roll on Partchment, melee get other drop consideration first.

Is this wrong? Perhaps you have experienced otherwise. As far as you winning the roll and then we stating you cant win. It was a group vote, remember, you had a vote too, you just lost. As for this two boxed Cleric I don't know what you are talking about. Why did you guys invite me if you had a Cleric is maybe the better question.

Anyway, my only response to you is good luck in your future adventures, and if you expect change you need to initiate not just complain.

Thanks

Rainus · Post by **Rainus** » November 12, 2002, 3:59 pm

Kilorn .. I can go onto a lengthy discussion of definition on NBG and why I don't like NBG in PICKUP groups

perhaps it's to do with a particular wizard who said he needed sunstrike and sold it the next day for 90k since he has one already

and Mithrul I can say the opposite, almost All groups I've been on in PoV specifically has been lotto all

Why did we invite you ? simple .. I don't feel like two-boxing and you were lfg so we pick u up instead of another melee get it ?

As for the group vote rubbish .. it would have been perfectly fine if it was DONE BEFORE everything .. you don't do it after someone rolls a perfectly legitimate roll get it ?

As for your last smartass comment .. I don't need changes .. I just need to avoid people who does the above and simple as picking up myself and leaving the current group*shrugs*
And thanks for your concern *sarcasm intended*

As I said whatever that rocks your boat and it will be better for us not to group again thanks

noel · Post by **noel** » November 12, 2002, 4:00 pm

Honestly, coming here and whining about the fact that you didn't got to roll on a parchment makes you look really stupid. Dar is right. Unless you have something prearranged, STFU.

If you don't like it so much, don't group with those people again.

Kilorn is also right. Need before Greed.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 12, 2002, 4:12 pm

Need before greed. Primary before secondaries is another good one.

2 boxers need to decide who is going to be their primary for that group and roll on loot appropriately. Melees rolling on parchments is pretty gimp IMO. Logged the caster in favor of playing the melee? Sounds like bad luck to me. If the caster would've stayed, sounds like there would've been no disagreement about letting you roll. I wouldn't take things personally when all the loot rules were flawed/nonexistant anyway. Seems like they tried to be as fair as possible in a difficult situation. I know I woulda ben pissed if the melee won the parchment drop for one of his other characters. Especially if they weren't even in the group.

Oh yeah, pick-up groups generally suck ass. Occassionally there can be pleseant surprises, but I'd rather be with guildmates anyday.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 12, 2002, 4:16 pm

I wonder if Eudas Rolls against himself when he 8 boxes

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 12, 2002, 4:20 pm

I am very lucky. Have never been in a group where a melee asked for caster loot or vice versa. The ONLY time the above was untrue is when melee loot dropped, melee did not need, then casters FFA'd it and vice versa. I would be pretty ticked if a caster rolled against me for a melee item, but then again, I have never had to roll either. Was always figured out before hand.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 12, 2002, 4:26 pm

I would be pretty ticked if a caster rolled against me for a melee item

I would only roll against a melee item if it was going to be sold. If the melee could use the item, it's given happily along with a "gratz". No caster will be selling their parchments unless they are fucking insane. The spells themselves are much more vital to us than plat.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 12, 2002, 4:29 pm

Yea I agree 100% Fair Pure.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » November 12, 2002, 4:51 pm

JACKASS Mithrul!

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » November 12, 2002, 5:02 pm

There is no such thing as need before greed. Perhaps a wizard needs random melee item to sell, to buy that 20k spell in the bazaar. I need plat more than you need 10 more hps. See ? The melee needs the 10 hps more than my new spells. Doesnt work for the need before greed.

Best bet is to set a loot order. Most groups I've had, we have done the /rand and set a order. Not everyone can get anything,so whos to say " You can use this better than some pussy caster" or viseversa. Set the loot order first to advoid problems.

Bottom line, my bank is in need more than yours!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 12, 2002, 5:07 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:I would only roll against a melee item if it was going to be sold. If the melee could use the item, it's given happily along with a "gratz". No caster will be selling their parchments unless they are fucking insane. The spells themselves are much more vital to us than plat.

That's the big problem when you don't know the folks your grouped with. Most casters I've seen are trading duplicate spells rather than selling them.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » November 12, 2002, 5:49 pm

[quote="Fairweather Pure"]Need before greed. Primary before secondaries is another good one.

2 boxers need to decide who is going to be their primary for that group

Can I call BS here???? ask Estrosiath About 2-Boxers. He got through his trial with a 2-box player healing at the end. (by the way thanks for offering to stay till my ded guy got his flag=p) My characters play eqaul time and are only there if needed, THEY SHOULD get the same loot consideration AS YOU.

How many times have I been invited to a Raid as the only shaman there and THE ONE and ONLY time have I been awarded loot (that was'nt discarded and not wanted by any other in party) was with Aedryn.. Braclet of Sense.. weee thanks AED=p

MY argument is this.. Sure I havnt been on a raid or grouped with PE before, but if loot drops I can use. LET ME SEE WHY I LOST CONSIDERATION OF AWARD (kinda off here) really sucks when a character wearing ToV armor gets awarded while I am slowing for you wearing jarcrap. Just a thought here... when you invite someone along Not to be NICE but because you need them to complete your mission. Seems to me A fair Chance on loot should be in order. Next time you need that player you might be lookin for someone else (unless he/she enjoys being used repeatedly) Asking someone to join a raid because he/she is the only shaman in the area would be the same as a pickup situation. If a person is not going to be considered for Loot in your GUILD raid, tell them before hand, and see if they are willing to contribute their time for you. When you say "send tells if you need the legs" (and I did BADLY) mean it.

My characters need to be dressed too and if they both contribute and work TWICE as hard I am gonna be real pissed if you come up with "hey wait he is 2=boxing only one can roll". Not greed just common sense

well I posted go ahead and slam me I can take it. Other than that.... Have a nice day =)

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 12, 2002, 6:02 pm

Masekle, you need to take your angry 2 boxing problems to another thread. We are talking about pick-up groups here, not guild awards. When it comes to pick-up groups, no single person 2 boxing is as good or consistant as an individual playing that class to the fullest. Sure, they do ok, and some are better than others. Still others suck nuts and the group ends up PLing their fucking alt, especially clerics it seems (stand and CH every 3 minutes or so). Since it's hard to sort out the good from the bad in a pick-up group, just pick the class you'll be rolling on and the other can go without loot for the duration of the group. It's fast and consistantly a good practice. Others will appreciate it.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » November 12, 2002, 6:10 pm

this is what i think ...if its not no drop then its all fair games unless your with friends which then its do you need this bro heh

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 12, 2002, 6:17 pm

easy solution:

never group with anybody who posted on this thread.

....oh wait...

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » November 12, 2002, 6:18 pm

[quote="Fairweather Pure"]Masekle, you need to take your angry 2 boxing problems to another thread. We are talking about pick-up groups here, not guild awards. When it comes to pick-up groups, no single person 2 boxing is as good or consistant as an individual

I have been playing my 2 characters since I started and I was talking about your statement. Sorry if I added a little Vent on the side (origanal post) I have never Grouped with you, But if for some reason both of my characters need to be in the group. they have the same loot rights as any other in the group. I pay for the accounts and I consider neither an alt. I dress both of them just like you. I dont like to group because of people with your attitude. If you are invited to a group that I am 2-boxing in better make your concerns aware because I am going to roll on both my guys.

as to your assuption of my emotional state one again BS is the call I dont get angry I learn =)

Drolgin Steingrinder · November 12, 2002, 6:20 pm

Of the forty-two (I shit you not, 4-2) lost rolls I had on FBSS, at least half went to druids or necromancers.

F casters!

KilornCloudwalker · Post by **KilornCloudwalker** » November 12, 2002, 6:31 pm

Rainus, yes, there are those that abuse NBG, but it doesn't make it any less relevant. Had you been playing the caster character in the group, this would be a non-issue. Speaking for myself, as rare as parchment drops are, I'd be highly pissed to see a melee even roll for it. /smirk I wanna kick hybrids as well, but I think that is more just cause it's fun to kick them.

Raist: Trust me, I understand what you are saying...looking at Torpor and Malo coming in a few levels and then at my empty bank..I agree with you...perhaps my good nature is exactly why I keep an empty coffer. Not mercenary enough... /shrug

Bottom line is, to me, if someone can use something more than I can..have at it. If more than one person want it and can use it..roll for it. All assuming loot rules were not established specifically at the onset of the group.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 12, 2002, 6:31 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Of the forty-two (I shit you not, 4-2) lost rolls I had on FBSS, at least half went to druids or necromancers.

F casters!

no doubt

i sat there one weekend for 52 hours from friday night to monday morning, and one fbss dropped and some fucking shitstain mage won the roll, looted, then gated.

fucking cocksucking piece of filth!!!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 12, 2002, 7:50 pm

Masekle wrote:My characters need to be dressed too and if they both contribute and work TWICE as hard I am gonna be real pissed if you come up with "hey wait he is 2=boxing only one can roll". Not greed just common sense

I've never seen anyone roll twice who was two boxing, myself included. That would be pretty rude IMO.

Twice as hard? Maybe, depending on the classes. Different classes are most active in different parts parts a fight usually. Equal to 2 people playing those same classes? I've only seen a couple who could pull it off that well, and that was warrior/healer combos. No idea who you are, so no slight intended.

Masekle · Post by **Masekle** » November 12, 2002, 8:10 pm

I've never seen anyone roll twice who was two boxing, myself included. That would be pretty rude IMO.

Never had a complaint about my gameplay I play a Shaman and A warrior . Most who have grouped with me are not disappointed I am fair and If i dont need something or if someone in the group needs it more than I do I will not roll But if either of my characters need the item in question Better bet that both will roll thats not rude just fair. where do you get off saying that I am filling pockets and being rude 1) I have to have the bandwidth to play both 2) I have to have the machines to play effectively(since I dont use eqwin) 3) both of my characters helping ALL in the group with exp and chances at loot drops. I just wish there was a place like PoV where I could get exp at an acceptable rate I would just go back to 2-boxing but Verant has seen fit to force people to group and I have to deal with it therefore I am bound to run into people like you that cant see past the end of their satchel =)

have a nice day

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 12, 2002, 10:22 pm

Yeah, I had situations similar to that a ways back when I regularly did pickup groups. Decide beforehand what to do, should be fairly routine. If nobody can agree, then part ways. Bringing pickup group loot issues here is rather childish.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » November 13, 2002, 6:16 pm

Oh get fucking over it. OMG MOM I LOST MY 55th FBSS to a caster!

What about all the fucking casters who were SHIT OUT OF LUCK for SMRS? Yea thought so you stupid ass fucking cry baby melee bitches.

Everything is fair game unless with friends. Thats the way it should be, unless Im in the group I need everything.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 13, 2002, 6:33 pm

I don't roll for parchments but I'd have no problem if another melee wanted to. There is no other loot in PoV and I see plenty of casters auctioning PoP spells these days. Plenty of windblades being sold by casters as well.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 14, 2002, 10:35 am

Night I dinged 62 am pretty sure it was Rainus I was grouped with ( rainus druid, a rogue, and outside the group an enchanter.) But my memory fades as I get older, but he was only rolling one time, I know that 4 parchments dropped and everyone but him won a parchment ( always feel bad when that happens).

Lets face it, if a guild invites YOU on a run, you are subject to THEIR rules. If you join a pickup group, everyone rolls. If you multibox, you get ONE shot.

When I join groups one of the things I check is to find out if someone is multi'ing, because I have 3 EQ comps, and I can multi myself, and let my tell you, NO ONE CAN MULTI PLAY AS WELL AS THEY THINK THEY CAN, multiplay is a hazard to a group. Because their reactions are off, they cannot eke that last edge of capability out of either char, and you end up with a 100% performance from 2 chars that should be totalling 200%. Multibox gets one shot, your gimp gets none, deal with it and STFU.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 14, 2002, 4:39 pm

Rainus wrote:Kilorn .. I can go onto a lengthy discussion of definition on NBG and why I don't like NBG in PICKUP groups

Because you are a greedy fucking asshole who doesn't deserve to play with other human beings?

When I was levelling, melees who rolled on caster loot and vice versa were fucking blacklisted across the entire server. EQ is such a cesspit of dumbassery now.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 14, 2002, 4:43 pm

To be honest, if you're grouped with your friends then whoever needs/wants it will get it.

If your grouped with the majority of the retards that exist in the game today, then you aren't getting shit.

Group with decent people and all will be teh good (>O'O)>

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 14, 2002, 4:44 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:When I was levelling, melees who rolled on caster loot and vice versa were fucking blacklisted across the entire server. EQ is such a cesspit of dumbassery now.

And what server were you playing on? Before there was even a CT to give people an excuse, the FBSS camps had clerics, wizzies, mages etc rolling on it. Rubicite was roll/BS alpha shit ( the person that came up with alpha on rare shit like Rubi, had to be named Aaaaaaaaaabbcan) and be damned the class. I camped Lord with my paladin at 40 and the yaks one night went to the cleric, an enchanter and a druid, all the while I was hacking away with my leet claws from cazic.

You know, I have finally figured out Kyoukan's problem. Complete detachment from reality.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 14, 2002, 4:46 pm

Man it is so nice to have kylere around to completely prove my point beyond a shadow of a doubt in every thread I post in.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 14, 2002, 4:48 pm

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 14, 2002, 4:49 pm

Just when you think the Venting has ended more seems to need to be released. When will this volcano finally blow?

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 14, 2002, 4:49 pm

kyoukan type-R wrote:Man it is so nice to have kylere around to completely prove my point beyond a shadow of a doubt in every thread I post in.

Oh nice to know you were the only good person playing on Veeshan, christ what a bloody moron you remain.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 14, 2002, 4:56 pm

you were still wrapping your brain around the concept of windows 95 when I was levelling up scooter. your opinion on this matter means about as much to me as.. well, your opinion on every other matter!