Doctors are a public threat!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 10, 2002, 3:55 pm

. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US
Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Then think about this:
a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun
owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE
DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.

As a public health measure I have withheld the
statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek
medical attention.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » November 10, 2002, 4:57 pm

Wuss

put in homicides caused by firearms and see how your satire fares.

But, in good fun, my doctor is kept in a locked case when I'm not using him.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » November 10, 2002, 6:22 pm

how about gun injury?

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » November 10, 2002, 6:40 pm

Accidental was the KEY word used.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 10, 2002, 7:14 pm

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my S&W 10mm

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kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 10, 2002, 9:47 pm

There is absolutely no way on this planet that there are 120,000 deaths caused by physicians per year in the USA due to accidents, and I fucking defy anyone to provide evidence to state otherwise.

That is an ancient email spam that has been going around for over a year now.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » November 11, 2002, 12:12 pm

So ... If all doctors were gun owners, then they are witches. No, wait, if all accidental doctors teamed up with intentional gun owners, then the terrorists have already won. No, hmmmm, I can't do logic during caffeine withdrawal.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 11, 2002, 1:51 pm

NRA propagand aside:

if there was a national gun database like the police want, the 'Sniper' in DC would have been caught in about a day or two and about 10 less people would have been killed.

He registered that rifle in his own name, making no attempt to obscure his ownership of it, nor modify the barrel in any way.

Of course a big difference between doctors and firearms is that one of them is licensed.

another difference is that one is designed to fix people who are injuried, and the other is designed to injure people.

of course what makes this statistic invalid (even if it isnt bullshit) is that a gun doesnt have its hands inside an abdominal cavity on 20 people per day. most of the time it collects dust in a lockbox or a cabinet.

i dont know why the people who peddle NRA propaganda can't even take the same level of responsibility for gun ownership as they can for automobile ownership.

oh right, because they have paranoid delusions that the big bad government is going to march to their house to diarm them. If you really believe that you are likely in need of medication, or are easily swayed by the words of others.

edit: ownorship ownz me

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 11, 2002, 2:34 pm

Voro...what you just stated above is so completely false that I can't even comprehend it. If there was a gun database, it would only have helped track who the owner of the gun used was if they had found the gun. If you believe the FBI or any other agency could and would keep track of the ballistic pattern of every single firearm sold or owned in the US, then you are very delusional.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 11, 2002, 2:54 pm

the FBI can maintain human fingerprint databases. i would guess human fingerprints are at least an order of magnitude more complex than ballistics profiles.

granted every citizen is not registered in this fingerprint database, but they were doing this successfully with 1980s technology.

Denadeb · Post by **Denadeb** » November 11, 2002, 3:31 pm

There is OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more that goes into firearm ballistics than just a simple fingerprint database. The cost in fingerprinting most people isn't that much when compaired to the cost of having to do a ballistics test on every firearm. Thats the reason doing it isn't feasable.

Most people that own guns are responsible gun owners just like anything its the few that cause problems for the majority. Untill there is a way to keep stupid people from being born this will always be a problem.

Valgul · Post by **Valgul** » November 11, 2002, 3:42 pm

Voronwe, ask Elion Gonzales(sp) if the government ever enters houses of unarmed citizens brandishing firearms. If you wish, I can post the pictures.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » November 11, 2002, 3:45 pm

Valgul wrote:Voronwe, ask Elion Gonzales(sp) if the government ever enters houses of unarmed citizens brandishing firearms. If you wish, I can post the pictures.

I wonder what they should of done? That was a Damned if you do Damned if you dont scenerio.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 11, 2002, 3:53 pm

Valgul wrote:Voronwe, ask Elion Gonzales(sp) if the government ever enters houses of unarmed citizens brandishing firearms. If you wish, I can post the pictures.

he was in violation of federal immigration law.

when you are in violation of the law, expect to see police. that whole situation was ridiculous, but hey it's Dade County, wtf do you expect. The Police obtained a warrant from a judge to enter that property. Nothing happened outside of the law in that instance. If the uncle had firearms taht he wanted to use in that situation the only change in the overall outcome of that scenario would have been his death.

Den: obviously people are always the problem, no doubt. and certainly some sort of firearm fingerprinting could be potentially costly, but personally i think this is something that should be investigated, honestly, as a to its feasibility. It is pretty much universally endorsed by law enforcement, which doesnt always mean good things, but in this case i tend to agree with them. Since the NRA is an extremely powerful lobby and since few Republicans will do something that will potentially anger this group, don't expect this to happen anyways.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 11, 2002, 4:38 pm

It is about as feasible as having every human come in and submit themselves for a DNA sample to be taken and recorded. The only problem is that you may well have more firearms in the US than people.

Of course you completely ignore the basic facts of human nature. There have been murders since the beginning of man and they will never ever stop. If you take away guns, something WILL take the place of them in this society. I think I would rather have one gun toting idiot around than force them to resort to alternatives that could take many many more lives. What happens when goofballs like this turn to explosives? Do you put a ban on farming and fertilizers?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » November 11, 2002, 4:55 pm

Voronwë wrote:He registered that rifle in his own name, making no attempt to obscure his ownership of it, nor modify the barrel in any way.

And if they'd followed their own established rules and procedures, he would not have been able to legally purchase the gun as he was previously prohibited from firearms purchase or ownership.

Same with the guy at the McDonalds in Stockton, had CA properly followed the laws, he never would have gotten the 9mm he actually killed most of the people with (vice the AK47 shown on the news).

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 11, 2002, 5:22 pm

Voronwe, one of the news shows like 60 minutes did a whole story on the fingerprint issue. Guess what more than 98% of all fingerprints are merely stored as the cards they are made on. There is no autosearch like you see on TV shows, they have to manually go thru tens of thousands to find anything. Estimated time on a print comparision check was given as MONTHS. So even if they had printed him when he bought it, and took a ballistics check, they would just now be narrowing it down. Sad thing is, IT in the government is a failure.

Ahmik · Post by **Ahmik** » November 11, 2002, 8:37 pm

here is a thought...

I have purchased several handguns from ads in the newspaper, from friends, from people at guns shows etc... This is entirely legal. I have also purchased many guns from dealers where I fillout the paperwork... When I get tired of one, I sell it.

If one of the firearms that I purchased and registered legally (and then sold to a stranger) is used in a crime, and the weapon is recovered, the ATF will be able to track the serial number to me. I'm gonna say "Hell dude, I sold that 6 years ago when I still lived in San Antonio" They will then say "Thank you Sir" and they will go away.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns, knives, poison, rakes, shovels, ropes, cars, bats, chains, or just about anything that they can get their hands on. Humans by nature are a violent sort.

We kill people, we rape people, we enslave them, we sell and trade them. We try to wipe out entire populations of them because we hate them.

Likewise at the other end of the spectrum, we have organizations that are focused entirely on the betterment of mankind - we work to relieve starvation, suffering, illness, and a host of other touchy-feely things intended to lift people up from the saddness that is their lives.

So then what? Nothing I guess. We are all unique people. No amount of touchy-feely shit is gonna make the the violent ones understand the non-violent types, and no amount of personal tragedy and suffering is going to make the touchy-feely types understand the violent ones.

Life goes on... you can't regulate or legistlate human nature. Crimes of passion are exactly that... they are actions commited in the heat of the moment when a person "supposedly" loses control of themselves. Try to stop that with a few laws. My point here is simply that if someone needs killin' they gonna get some killin'. Firearms just make it easier - lack of a firearm is not gonna stop someone that is intent on murder.

BTW, in the event that I should ever find it necessary to go out and commit a premeditated murder you can bet your ass that I will NOT use a firearm. I'm gonna use a big ass 4 slice toaster and swing it by the cord to bludgion then to death. I wouldn't want to give the anti-gun crowd any fuel for the fire. /grin

Valgul · Post by **Valgul** » November 11, 2002, 9:37 pm

Voronwe,
Wasn't Elion a Cuban refugee? Who got political asylum once he landed on the U.S. shore? As I remember, that was the debate. Some thought that he was entitled to stay and other thought he should be returned home.
Storming the house at 3am was the problem. If the Judge said he had to be removed, then get him at another time, later in the day.

Pointing a gun in his uncle’s face and stealing the child is wrong, be it in the U.S. or Canada.