What's your favorite absurdity on this board?

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 3, 2005, 9:30 pm

Mine is definitely the fact that both Jice and Midnyte quote the same guy in their signatures.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 3, 2005, 10:02 pm

That people who say "fuck muslims" and support Bush, the new Prince of Fear and Loathing, go on about "teh haters".

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 3, 2005, 10:21 pm

Hmm. That Midnyte's title is Fair and Balanced.

Oh, and that he's capable of breathing on his own.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · February 3, 2005, 10:59 pm

Zaelath wrote:That people who say "fuck muslims" and support Bush, the new Prince of Fear and Loathing, go on about "teh haters".

That people hold unto the "fuck muslims" comment made in haste by a "human" in utter disgust over beheadings and continue to throw it in my face, totally incapable of being realistic and understanding that what I said was a very reasonable response to what happened. Also totally ignoring the fact I have apologized and recanted that comment numerous times.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » February 3, 2005, 11:19 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Zaelath wrote:That people who say "fuck muslims" and support Bush, the new Prince of Fear and Loathing, go on about "teh haters".
That people hold unto the "fuck muslims" comment made in haste by a "human" in utter disgust over beheadings and continue to throw it in my face, totally incapable of being realistic and understanding that what I said was a very reasonable response to what happened. Also totally ignoring the fact I have apologized and recanted that comment numerous times.

really mid, you apologize for and defend your statement in the same breath.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 3, 2005, 11:23 pm

Its because hes a liar and never really meant his apology. If he did mean it, he wouldnt keep making excuses for it.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » February 3, 2005, 11:59 pm

this got derailed quickly

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 4, 2005, 12:03 am

Sorry... and that wasn't even directed solely at Mid, it's just he was the first I recall trying to counter any argument with "hater" instead of rational thought.

Tinkin Tankem · Post by **Tinkin Tankem** » February 4, 2005, 5:37 am

A reasonable response does not have to be the same thing as something acceptable after the fact. I could reply to something that made me extremely irrate, something along the lines of I'll kill you, you're so dead, or a similar statement. Now, after the fact we all know that it would not be something that I should hold for a prolonged length of time. Killing someone that is not threatening my life or others is bad mmk? However in the heat of the moment it could be a reasonable or expected remark, yet hold no real value. I'm not putting this into any category of what one may say to irritate another, rather that the reaction being just words with no action could be accepted.

Possibly Mid was very bothered by the beheadings. Thus he acted out verbaly in an over the top manner. Possibly he felt very irrate for a matter of hours, days, or some extended amount of time. During this time he may have made some outlandish generalized statements. This is not something that just he is guilty of, I'm sure we have all been in similar circumstances. We just choose to highlight his and try to show how evil he is for and somehow try to corelate the evil with everything that we do not agree with him in.

No I'm not trying to be Mid's big brother, butt buddy, or defense attorney. I'm just tired of people picking shit apart and missing everyone elses message that they are trying to convey. Rather than actually reading what others say and taking in the value of there thoughts, ideas, and opinions.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 4, 2005, 6:07 am

Well boo fucking hoo.

It's not reasonable to say 'fuck muslims' because some retarded religious nutcases killed someone.

Moron.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 4, 2005, 10:38 am

For Tink:

as·sault, n.
3 Law.

1. An unlawful threat or attempt to do bodily injury to another.
2. The act or an instance of unlawfully threatening or attempting to injure another.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault

Or in short; think before you speak.

Other than that, this has been done to death and I'm sorry I brought it up. It was just "the" perfect example of how hypocritical the compassionate conservatives are when they attempt to call people "haters", when all they hate is Bush and his posse of evil fuckstains.

Conservatives on the other hand hate everybody that isn't like them. Gays, Muslims, Liberals, Mexicans, Canadians, the list is never-ending.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » February 4, 2005, 10:48 am

No Zae, that's neocons.
The rest of us actually give a rat's arse about the other people in the world - we just want to make sure our (Americas) own families are taken care of first.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 4, 2005, 11:55 am

The fact that the Democrats and Republicans on this board think there is a difference between the two.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 4, 2005, 1:15 pm

The 'absurdity' that you live in one of the the most religious conservative western nations yet hilariously call yourselves 'the land of the free'.

GG!

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 4, 2005, 1:26 pm

Tinkin Tankem wrote:I'm just tired of people picking shit apart and missing everyone elses message that they are trying to convey. Rather than actually reading what others say and taking in the value of there thoughts, ideas, and opinions.

You can't escape it... no matter what you post here, certain people will take your words out of context, twist them around, and even put words in your mouth to try to make you look foolish just because you don't agree with their position.

All you can do is say what you think, and let it stand at that.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 4, 2005, 4:09 pm

Historically on VV, it is common for a word or catch phrase to be thrown out there by someone and almost immediately, a cubic buttload of people will pick it up and run with it.

2004 - neocon

Absurd, but true.... "El Oh El" and "Junior" were popular in recent years...

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » February 4, 2005, 4:12 pm

Favorite absurdity:
Lack of reading comprehension.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 4, 2005, 4:23 pm

Canelek wrote:Absurd, but true.... "El Oh El" and "Junior" were popular in recent years...

"teh" is making a comeback unfortunately.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » February 4, 2005, 4:51 pm

Teenybloke wrote:Well boo fucking hoo.

It's not reasonable to say 'fuck muslims' because some retarded religious nutcases killed someone.

Moron.

Yet you say fuck all Americans because their leaders decide to liberate a country.

Shut the fuck up.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » February 4, 2005, 5:00 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: Yet you say fuck all Americans because their leaders decide to liberate a country.

Shut the fuck up.

Liberate == kill and torture it's citizens almost indiscriminately and set up a government of our choosing...There is good reason to be upset at this.

Burke · Post by **Burke** » February 4, 2005, 5:14 pm

Yet you say fuck all Americans because their leaders decide to liberate a country.

Shut the fuck up.

Where does he say that? I think you are inferring incorrectly. I think what TB is implying is fuck all Americans like you.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 4, 2005, 5:32 pm

Canelek wrote:Historically on VV, it is common for a word or catch phrase to be thrown out there by someone and almost immediately, a cubic buttload of people will pick it up and run with it.

2004 - neocon

Actually, 'neocon' is a very accurate description of some of the more radical right-wingers on this forum.
Also, the republicans are really not a true representation of conservative politics... Dubya Corp are clearly neo-conservative in their approach.

If the neocon label is a 'catchphrase' so must be the liberal, conservative or libertarian labels....

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » February 4, 2005, 6:30 pm

how you fucking fags turn everything into some kinda gay partisan debate
and also how aforementioned fags would look with a pitchfork sitcking out of their FACES
YEAH SUP?

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 4, 2005, 6:57 pm

Lohrno wrote: Liberate == kill and torture it's citizens almost indiscriminately and set up a government of our choosing...There is good reason to be upset at this.

Kill and torture indiscriminately? What alternate universe are you from again?

Did President Bush create that many pod people to take the place of all those Iraqi citizens that voted last Sunday? Is President Bush a lizard man?

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » February 4, 2005, 6:59 pm

Aruman wrote: Kill and torture indiscriminately? What alternate universe are you from again?

Did President Bush create that many pod people to take the place of all those Iraqi citizens that voted last Sunday? Is President Bush a lizard man?

Did you read the reports from Abu Ghraib? Some of those people were just civilians taken off the streets...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 4, 2005, 7:12 pm

estimates were that 80+% of them were innocent civilians. Thats why we released them 2 weeks after the story broke.

Not transferred them to other prisons, but just let 80+% of the inmates out.

That being said, i dont think that we were necessarily "indiscriminatly" torturing people. I would speculate that it was probably fairly directed and methodical.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 4, 2005, 9:12 pm

Lohrno wrote:
Aruman wrote: Kill and torture indiscriminately? What alternate universe are you from again?

Did President Bush create that many pod people to take the place of all those Iraqi citizens that voted last Sunday? Is President Bush a lizard man?
Did you read the reports from Abu Ghraib? Some of those people were just civilians taken off the streets...

I would have used the term isolated incident... I think that would be a more appropriate claim than 'almost indiscriminate killing and torturing of civilians'.

Not to mention that those morons who did those things are paying the price for their actions. Yes, that was somnthing to be upset about. No argument there.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » February 4, 2005, 9:29 pm

game. set. match.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 5, 2005, 12:43 am

Isolated incident my ass.

You are about the only person who believes that my friend. I suppose Guantanamo Bay doesn't exist now or something?

I would notr go as far as claiming the US were involved in indiscriminate killing of civilians, but the torturing of civilians HAS ALREADY happened and CONTINUES to THIS DAY, nevermind even Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, many more cases have arisen, in case you have not noticed.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » February 5, 2005, 12:49 am

Aruman wrote:
Lohrno wrote:
Aruman wrote: Kill and torture indiscriminately? What alternate universe are you from again?

Did President Bush create that many pod people to take the place of all those Iraqi citizens that voted last Sunday? Is President Bush a lizard man?
Did you read the reports from Abu Ghraib? Some of those people were just civilians taken off the streets...
I would have used the term isolated incident... I think that would be a more appropriate claim than 'almost indiscriminate killing and torturing of civilians'.

Not to mention that those morons who did those things are paying the price for their actions. Yes, that was somnthing to be upset about. No argument there.

Nope, isolated incident are when something happen once. When it happens again, AFTER massive press coverage and worldwide complaints, its getting closer to being indiscriminately.
Not to mention that the ones seen so far are only the ones that got caught.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 5, 2005, 2:25 am

Teenybloke wrote:Isolated incident my ass.

You are about the only person who believes that my friend. I suppose Guantanamo Bay doesn't exist now or something?

I would notr go as far as claiming the US were involved in indiscriminate killing of civilians, but the torturing of civilians HAS ALREADY happened and CONTINUES to THIS DAY, nevermind even Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, many more cases have arisen, in case you have not noticed.

Yeah, kind of like your buddies in the IRA eh?

Wait, that isn't the United States so it doesn't matter to you.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 5, 2005, 2:29 am

Hesten wrote:
Aruman wrote:
Lohrno wrote:
Aruman wrote: Kill and torture indiscriminately? What alternate universe are you from again?

Did President Bush create that many pod people to take the place of all those Iraqi citizens that voted last Sunday? Is President Bush a lizard man?
Did you read the reports from Abu Ghraib? Some of those people were just civilians taken off the streets...
I would have used the term isolated incident... I think that would be a more appropriate claim than 'almost indiscriminate killing and torturing of civilians'. The newspapers are just flooded with the 'evil American' copy.

Not to mention that those morons who did those things are paying the price for their actions. Yes, that was somnthing to be upset about. No argument there.
Nope, isolated incident are when something happen once. When it happens again, AFTER massive press coverage and worldwide complaints, its getting closer to being indiscriminately.
Not to mention that the ones seen so far are only the ones that got caught.

Yeah, that indiscriminate killing of civilians sure is happening so much that it's in the press every day. I mean come on, all those journalists from all those different countries are so busy writing about all that indiscriminate killing of civilians, they don't have the time to look into the torture allegations.

Drolgin Steingrinder · February 5, 2005, 11:03 am

Aruman wrote:
Teenybloke wrote:Isolated incident my ass.

You are about the only person who believes that my friend. I suppose Guantanamo Bay doesn't exist now or something?

I would notr go as far as claiming the US were involved in indiscriminate killing of civilians, but the torturing of civilians HAS ALREADY happened and CONTINUES to THIS DAY, nevermind even Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, many more cases have arisen, in case you have not noticed.
Yeah, kind of like your buddies in the IRA eh?

Wait, that isn't the United States so it doesn't matter to you.

What does the IRA have to do with this? The fact that they have committed terrorist acts doesn't negate anything Teeny said. That'd be like - oh, I dunno, claiming that Timothy McVeigh's existence automagically negated anything Bush says about terrorism outside of the US.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 5, 2005, 12:41 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:
Aruman wrote:
Teenybloke wrote:Isolated incident my ass.

You are about the only person who believes that my friend. I suppose Guantanamo Bay doesn't exist now or something?

I would notr go as far as claiming the US were involved in indiscriminate killing of civilians, but the torturing of civilians HAS ALREADY happened and CONTINUES to THIS DAY, nevermind even Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, many more cases have arisen, in case you have not noticed.
Yeah, kind of like your buddies in the IRA eh?

Wait, that isn't the United States so it doesn't matter to you.
What does the IRA have to do with this? The fact that they have committed terrorist acts doesn't negate anything Teeny said. That'd be like - oh, I dunno, claiming that Timothy McVeigh's existence automagically negated anything Bush says about terrorism outside of the US.

With Iraq? Nothing...

The IRA isn't an official military organization, it's all civilians, so it's like saying everyone in his country indiscriminitley kills people because the IRA exists there.

Ridiculous isn't it?

Just like implying that the US military indiscriminitley kills and tortures Iraqi's.

If it was happening on a regular basis, yeah, then I would agree, but that isn't the case.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 5, 2005, 1:01 pm

Did you even read my post you retard?

I didn't say indiscriminate killing was being carried out (although in the early stages of the war i find it impossible not to assume that it happened at least a few times, maybe even by accident, or will you deny this too?)

My buddies in the IRA? I don't have any buddies in the IRA, way to generalise what you don't understand! Not that your little jibe even makes any fucking sense, or has any point.

The IRA (who I don't support) haven't killed anyone in years. Frankly I see the whole Irish situation as a fucking joke, just like Iraq, being pushed by cretins onto people who want nothing to do with it.

Your argument is even more pathetic than usual Aruman. Try again maybe?

Maybe answer my original post since you clearly didn't even fucking look at it the first time.

(Ps - Drolgin no doubt will say it better than me, being a whole DECADE older (omg sorry old sir)

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 5, 2005, 2:22 pm

Teenybloke wrote: My buddies in the IRA? I don't have any buddies in the IRA, way to generalise what you don't understand! Not that your little jibe even makes any fucking sense, or has any point.

At least you didn't miss the irony...

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 5, 2005, 2:54 pm

THERE ISNT ANYTHING IRONIC ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 5, 2005, 4:08 pm

Teenybloke wrote:THERE ISNT ANYTHING IRONIC ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID.

Here... let me focus in a little more so you can find it..

...way to generalise what you don't understand...

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 5, 2005, 4:21 pm

I noticed another absurdity!

Akaran of Mistmoore, formerly Akaran of Veeshan
I know I'm good at what I do, but I know I'm not the best.
But I guess that on the other hand, I could be like the rest.

Except that, in my opinion, Akaran represents "the rest", aka the general public/average joe schmoe/typical white american male.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 5, 2005, 5:26 pm

Aruman, It is sad and dangerous you assume you know more than me on this topic, in the most sincere, friendly way I can put it, you are incorrect mate.

Do your research, and come back when you actually have a point that is your own.

Ok? I will not be insulting if you promise to have independant thought.

Dregor, yuor right sir~

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 5, 2005, 6:49 pm

Teenybloke wrote:Aruman, It is sad and dangerous you assume you know more than me on this topic, in the most sincere, friendly way I can put it, you are incorrect mate.

Do your research, and come back when you actually have a point that is your own.

Ok? I will not be insulting if you promise to have independant thought.

Dregor, yuor right sir~

Oh, so you think you know more about the US Army than me eh?

I don't need to research...

Generalize that.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 5, 2005, 7:14 pm

Absurdity: Someone who loves to complain about the righties is guilty of the same things that he complains about.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » February 5, 2005, 8:18 pm

right now, this thread is my favourite absurdity on this board

nobody · Post by **nobody** » February 6, 2005, 3:37 am

Lohrno wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote: Yet you say fuck all Americans because their leaders decide to liberate a country.

Shut the fuck up.
Liberate == kill and torture it's citizens almost indiscriminately and set up a government of our choosing...There is good reason to be upset at this.

what a jackass. there are people that actually believe that american soldiers kill iraqi citizens indiscriminately? indiscriminately, which would mean we walk around and just for shits and giggles kill every 10th citizen we see on the street?

go ahead, believe whatever you are being spoonfed by al jazeera or whomever you get this propoganda from lohrno. yes detainee's were tortured and yes civilians have been caught in the crossfire. but the insurgents are hiding behind the civilians and the toture is not as widespread as some might think. it is more widespread than a few other's like to admit but it is NOT standard practice. and from my own personal experience it is clearly taught in interrigator school that it is wrong and illegal. (no i am not an interrigator) i am as upset by it as anyone else and am furious that anyone onvolved would get anything less than life in prison. but to say that we are killing citizens almost indisciminately is ludacris.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » February 6, 2005, 6:06 am

Do you not agree that our soldiers have in many cases been way too careless and not reprimanded enough for their mistakes? The canadians that were bombed accidentally, the schools, baby food factories, etc. Now I didn't say totally indiscriminately, I said almost.

We definitely aren't being careful enough, and I don't see anyone caring about this.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 6, 2005, 11:23 am

Aruman, avoid questions much?

Are you a military man?

Ahh that may explain why your army and your country and your occupation are so fucking ineffective.

Lynks, I think at some point you have abandoned reason in favour of 'palsied brain'

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » February 6, 2005, 11:26 am

Why..how did you know I was referring to you?? No offense, but the righties have Midnyte, and the lefties have you. If you really want to get your message across, just stop posting.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » February 6, 2005, 11:27 am

Teeny, regardless of whatever else you may think, our army is not 'ineffective'. Mismanaged, yes. But not 'ineffective'. If it was ineffective, you'd be speaking German right now, Gulf War 1 would have never happened and the Empire Strikes Baghdad wouldn't have gotten past the first few gunmen that tried to hold the line.

Aruman · Post by **Aruman** » February 6, 2005, 1:33 pm

Teenybloke wrote: Ahh that may explain why your army and your country and your occupation are so fucking ineffective.

On the contrary, I think that our military was extemely effective, considering the ass whooping that was given in both invasions of Iraq.

Ineffective occupation? I would be interested in seeing some examples of how 'ineffective' the United States is being. Are you basing that on the various 'insurgent' attacks?

I'm not in the military now, but I was in an RDF unit (82nd Airborne in the combat arms for most of my time in). I can tell you without a doubt that we were far from ineffective, and we weren't mechanized.

Mechanized were the main forces in Iraq, and you saw what they did. If that is what you call ineffective...they must be something else when they are actually at the top of their game. Something for you to think about.

As far as avoiding questions... get rid of the biased hater crap and maybe I would choose to reply to some more.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » February 6, 2005, 2:44 pm

the US military does one thing better than anyone else in history...win wars. hell, our two victories in iraq opened the eyes of militaries around the world and they now study those victories. we however are less effective at dealing with insurgencies, though we are adapting and learning many new and valuable lessons. i know it sounds cliche but it looks worse than it is b/c the media reports way more mistakes than successes. you are right lohrno, we have made some mistakes. some have been dealt with appropriatly and others have not.

the thing i don't understand is why the people who complain about the US presence never spoke up about the attrocities committed my saddam. no one complained about the US ousting milosevich (sp) when he had no wmd's. the fact that he was commiting mass murder was enough for the world to support us. saddam totured and killed hundreds of thousands, possibly over one million (according to UN estimates) of his own people. i know we gave them chemicle weapons and supported them in the war against iran. i have no arguement for that. it was wrong and we are paying for those mistakes now. wmd were the initial reason for going into iraq but i still don't regret it. i just wish we had done it a different way. saddam never made an effort to prove he had destroyed his wmd's so the only way we could find out for sure was to go into iraq. but all that aside, saddam still gave the world reason enough to kick his ass