Go Gloria!

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 26, 2005, 2:27 pm

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- When two men walked into a popular country store outside Atlanta, announced a holdup and fired a shot, owners Bobby and Gloria Doster never hesitated. The pair pulled out their own pistols and opened fire.

The armed suspect and his partner were killed. The Dosters won't be charged, according to local officials, because they were acting in self-defense.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/26/store. ... index.html

http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/ ... nesaw.html

Fash · Post by **Fash** » January 26, 2005, 2:29 pm

Justice is served... nice and fast.

Lets hope there's no room for a lawsuit from the robbers family... lol.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » January 26, 2005, 2:29 pm

Man, I read this and I can't help but laugh.
It's sad that two people died, and sad that they felt it necessary to robe a country store..

But this is almost a darwin.

Ebumar · Post by **Ebumar** » January 26, 2005, 2:31 pm

Haha, that's rad.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » January 26, 2005, 3:58 pm

guns r gud.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 26, 2005, 5:49 pm

Good for them! There are a lot of sick people these days, and the robbers could have killed them after they took the money...

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 26, 2005, 6:17 pm

Murder is murder in my book.

There are a LOT of non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles.

The officials may do nothing about these folks but I hope their actions torment then for the rest of their lifes.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » January 26, 2005, 6:26 pm

so the bad guys have guns and the good guys are supposed to do what?

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 26, 2005, 6:28 pm

They shot and killed 2 guys in cold blood without thinking twice.

This qualifies them as good guys how?

Sounds to me like they were just looking for an excuse to let that trigger finger go.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 26, 2005, 6:28 pm

Most armed robbers don't have any intention of killing the people they rob. They just want money. Pulling a gun on an armed robber, however, unless you are a really good, fast shot, is an invitation to get your head blown off. Its very risky and someone will surely end up dead. They should be thankful it wasn't them that ended up dead.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » January 26, 2005, 6:38 pm

The one guy DID try to shoot the woman's husband.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » January 26, 2005, 6:39 pm

Animalor wrote:They shot and killed 2 guys in cold blood without thinking twice.

This qualifies them as good guys how?

Sounds to me like they were just looking for an excuse to let that trigger finger go.

i would look at 2 guys with guns blazing, walking into my store as bad guys.

maybe in canada those are the good guys /shrug

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 26, 2005, 6:41 pm

OK, misread that as a "warning" shot, but if it was directed at one of them, then they are lucky they were able to respond so quickly.

VariaVespasa · Post by **VariaVespasa** » January 26, 2005, 7:22 pm

Animalor- Dont be a tool. Did you bother to read the article? The store owners went for guns AFTER the robbers fired AT the husband. It wasnt a warning shot into the ceiling as emphasis when they announced a robbery. They were letting them rob the place till one of the robbers tried to kill the husband. One of the robbers attempting to commit murder surely justifies defensive action, and when youre dealing with guns you dont have time to dick around with pepper spray, or a bat, or trying to wrestle with someone 30 years younger than you, or trying to shoot the gun out of their hand or any of that crap- you shoot, you shoot fast and you shoot for the centre of mass.

How much provocation do you need to be justified in using (or trying to use) lethal force? Do you think there are ANY circumstances where killing someone is justified? Your "murder is murder in my book" comment makes it sound like you dont think there are any, and quite frankly that comes off as beyond stupid.

It is not possible, either as a matter of common sense or AS A MATTER OF LAW, to MURDER someone who is actively trying to kill you. You can kill them, yes, but it is NOT murder, unless you had a safer (for YOU) option.

Cold blood? Anything involving a comparably (or better) armed person who is facing you and aware of you, that you dont have the drop on, cannot possibly called cold blood, especially after a lethal act has been attempted.

"Sounds to me like they were just looking for an excuse to let that trigger finger go"? Sounds to me like you were just looking for an excuse to let your mindless kneejerk prejudices go, and you didnt even bother to read all the facts before you drivelled at us. Asshat.

*Hugs*
Varia

noel · Post by **noel** » January 26, 2005, 7:25 pm

The bottom line is, you have no business unholstering or pointing a gun at someone if you don't intend to shoot them.

If someone ever points a gun at me, I'm going to assume they mean to kill me, and I'm going to do what is necessary to make sure that doesn't happen. If they didn't actually intend to kill me they should never have put themselves in that position in the first place.

I have no problem with the events as they are reported to have transpired.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » January 26, 2005, 7:27 pm

that's awesome

cid · Post by **cid** » January 26, 2005, 7:37 pm

noel wrote:The bottom line is, you have no business unholstering or pointing a gun at someone if you don't intend to shoot them.

If someone ever points a gun at me, I'm going to assume they mean to kill me, and I'm going to do what is necessary to make sure that doesn't happen. If they didn't actually intend to kill me they should never have put themselves in that position in the first place.

I have no problem with the events as they are reported to have transpired.

/agree

Too many crack heads have robbed and killed people for less the 50 cents. If anyone ever pulled a gun on me. I am betting they will use it.

Animalor,

I guess if someone raped then killed your mom. You want them rehabilitated? Stupid fucks like you clogging up our justice system. Shoot them in the back of the head. Then charge their family for the bullet. Consider that stupid tax for raising a toll for a kid.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 26, 2005, 7:58 pm

Animalor wrote: Sounds to me like they were just looking for an excuse to let that trigger finger go.

Yeah because they wanted to shoot those guys and deal with all the paperwork and put their lives in danger...Sorry but your response is knee-jerk and doesn't make sesne.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 26, 2005, 8:25 pm

VariaVespasa wrote:Did you bother to read the article?

Actually I had only read the excepts from the original poster which made it seem like the shot had been a warning and the owners were blood thirsty.

I retract my statements about the owners.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » January 26, 2005, 8:27 pm

Animalor wrote:Murder is murder in my book.

There are a LOT of non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles.

The officials may do nothing about these folks but I hope their actions torment then for the rest of their lifes.

This statement almost made you the first person I have ever put on ignore.

Yes, there are a lot of non lethal means of dealing with a hostile situation. However this was not only a hostile situation...this was men armed with firearms. These men were obviously not afraid to use the firearms as they did fire the weapon AT someone.

There have been a few cases in the city where I live where people have died to gunshot wounds during a robbery of a business or residence. A few years ago there were two separate cases where people in a convenience store were tied up while the place was robbed at gunpoint. The robbers then shot both of the people tied up. They died.

The second case involves the Carr brothers. It happened only a few years ago...a few miles from my home. Five young people asleep in a nice home. Two brothers break in wielding guns. They say they are there to rob them and nothing bad will happen. They drive the people one at a time to an ATM to withdraw money. They get back to the house and make the people strip naked and do some horrid things. They drive them out to a field in the snow, shoot them one at a time in the back of the head....then run over them with a truck. One woman survived to testify against them and put them away.

Are these cases the norm? No. But they do happen. And I have a family that depends upon me and that I love. I want to see my daughter grow up. I will be damned if someone is going to come in to my place of business or my home with a gun and rob me without me taking them out if possible.

Yes, I have firearm training. Yes, it is an awful thing to have to take another's life. Yes, I would rather see them dead then have my family see me dead...or have me see my family dead. I do not care if the chance is 1 in 100 that a robber armed with a gun is going to shoot me or my family. That is 1% too much of a chance.

I do not think there should be a celebration of what these people did. But they did what they had to and I am glad they survived.

So Animalor, heaven forbid this scenario ever plays out in your life. Perhaps you can choose a non lethal way of dealing with the situation. I for one would not put an armed robber's life above that of my own or my loved ones.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 26, 2005, 8:30 pm

Animalor wrote: Actually I had only read the excepts from the original poster which made it seem like the shot had been a warning and the owners were blood thirsty.

I retract my statements about the owners.

Fair enough. Next time read more carefully please.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 26, 2005, 8:31 pm

Please see above post..

This statement almost made you the first person I have ever put on ignore.

I would have been devestated. Really.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 26, 2005, 8:36 pm

Moonwynd wrote: I do not think there should be a celebration of what these people did. But they did what they had to and I am glad they survived.

I disagree. I'm glad that two people who would have committed murder and showed no respect for life have been taken out.

I don't normally support the death penalty (because of the chance of killing innocents), but there is little doubt of what happened here so...

I'm sorry I don't have respect for someone's life who doesn't respect others' . Had these old folks not shot the attempted robbers perhaps they would have killed others...

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » January 26, 2005, 9:15 pm

I have a lot of liberal views, but honestly:

An armed society is a polite society.

Criminals will get the guns no matter what laws you put in place to stop it. People with a clean personal record should be allowed to posses defensive (ie non hunting, non fully auto) firearms if they choose to. Being able to protect one's home and livelyhood is a basic principle upon which the majority of our entire American soiciety is founded out.

What Noel said is absolutely true. If someone pulls out a gun, for any reason, you should proceed under the assumtion that they are intending to use it. Frankly, anyone who draws a gun in any interpersonal situation deserves to get their asses shot at. Those who live by the sword, die by the sword. Given a choice between yourself (or your loved ones) and hoping some crack head/delinquent doesn't choose to kill is a no brainer in my book.

Asheran Mojomaster · Post by **Asheran Mojomaster** » January 26, 2005, 9:54 pm

Yeah, I would have killed them without thinking twice about it. About a week and a half ago, a guy I know, David Riley, and a friend of his robbed a liquor store about 10 mins from my house. Riley was the only one to go in, he wore no mask (because he planned to get all the video tapes, dumbass only got 2 of the 3 they had) so it was definately him.

After he completely cooperated the entire time, even sold alcohol to a customer who came in the middle of it (Riley went into the back room while he did it), and after Riley had all the cash, Riley took him into a back room, made him get face down on the ground, and shot him 3 times in the head with a 22 pistol. Supposedly the reason he shot him 3 times is because the first 2 didnt even kill the poor guy.

If someone comes into a place you work, or your home, or even comes up to you on the street with a gun, even if they dont fire a single shot, there is NOTHING fucking wrong with shooting them before they shoot you.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 26, 2005, 9:56 pm

"Check out this new gun I just bou*BLAMBLAMBLAM!*"

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 26, 2005, 10:19 pm

Anyone who puts Animalor on ignore is a fucking retard, he is easily one of the most decent guys I have ever encountered on Veeshan.

I do have to admit though Ani, your "I'm not a christian, I am a catholic" was pretty silly

However, back on topic, I think they did what anyone would if they had, and fair fucks to them, better than letting these retards fester at your own expense in prisons for years only to come out and continue to be dickheads.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 27, 2005, 1:47 am

Teenybloke wrote:I do have to admit though Ani, your "I'm not a christian, I am a catholic" was pretty silly

As the religious voting thread as well as this one prove, I do have my moments of glory.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 27, 2005, 1:56 am

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » January 27, 2005, 2:26 am

That's a Darwin if ever there was one.

Moonwynd · Post by **Moonwynd** » January 27, 2005, 2:29 am

I haven't put you on ignore yet Teeny..just shows that I have my Ignore priorities all fucked up.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 27, 2005, 3:15 am

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 28, 2005, 11:53 am

Animalor wrote:Murder is murder in my book.

There are a LOT of non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles.

The officials may do nothing about these folks but I hope their actions torment then for the rest of their lifes.

You dumbass!

You made a Druid in WoW?

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 28, 2005, 11:54 am

Animalor wrote:Murder is murder in my book.

There are a LOT of non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles.

The officials may do nothing about these folks but I hope their actions torment then for the rest of their lifes.

You dumbass!

You made a Druid in WoW?

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » January 28, 2005, 11:59 am

Shaerra wrote:
Animalor wrote:Murder is murder in my book.

There are a LOT of non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles.

The officials may do nothing about these folks but I hope their actions torment then for the rest of their lifes.
You dumbass!

You made a Druid in WoW?

Druids fucking rock in WoW, wish we had more of them =(

miir · Post by **miir** » January 28, 2005, 12:02 pm

"I just started shooting,I was trying to blow his brains out is what I was trying to do."

Best quote evar.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 28, 2005, 2:09 pm

I made a druid.
Got L51 last night

My only beef is that the instance/raid portion of the game isn't made for classes that can survive in battle for a long time, which incidentally is what the druid excels at.

Also, Druids have no way(other than a talent) to mitigate the aggro generated by our heals so once we get aggro in these circumstances, it's bear form or die(and I can't heal while in bear form at all).

Combat Rez is great if you have the 1300+ mana late in the battle. Odd are that in my groups, if people have started dying, I'm OOM already.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 28, 2005, 2:17 pm

Shaerra wrote:
Animalor wrote:Murder is murder in my book.

There are a LOT of non-lethal ways to deal with hostiles.

The officials may do nothing about these folks but I hope their actions torment then for the rest of their lifes.
You dumbass!

You made a Druid in WoW?

BTW - I'm not the one double posting.

Shaerra · Post by **Shaerra** » January 28, 2005, 2:42 pm

Animalor wrote:BTW - I'm not the one double posting.

I was farming phat VV's.

Anyway, my beef with WoW Druids is that I have not yet met one that will actually play healer when they are clearly the best healing class in the group. I am a 43 Pally, and I have grouped with 4 or 5 pub Druids and I always end up having to tank and heal at the same time because the pub Druids just let the Warriors, Rogues, etc die without casting any heals. So I go OOM on heals and can't use retribution...which is teh suck.

I think the problem is that most pubs only tend to group when they are trying to complete an Elite quest, so from constantly soloing, they don't heal unless THEY need a heal. Makes life suck for the Warriors, Rogues, Hunters, etc. (Or Paladins who are trying to heal while being beat on by several mobs)

So if you're one of the few Druids who actually heal those who are unable to heal themselves, Kudos. You seem to be in the minority.

Note: Pub Priests don't seem to have this problem because they are not a "Jack of all Trades" class. Also, I'v never had the problem with any guildy Druids. Maybe pubs in general just suck...

<cue forum nazi's who cry about posts not being in the correct place>

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 28, 2005, 3:00 pm

Shaerra wrote:I am a 43 Pally

Bwahahahaha

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » January 28, 2005, 4:42 pm

Saherra the real problem you have is that you are playing an Alliance character

I've played with a number of horde druids, both guildies and non and never had that problem. Note I use to play a Paladin as well, always have, even in Beta, but tried a Horde Shaman. Once you do, you'll never go back

One reason I say that is I'm currently undefeated vs. Paladins, even 3 to 4 levels higher... even ones that drink potions during fights. Warlocks are a different story though depending on the pet. Ever get your butt kicked by a Gnome? it's worse than loosing to a pally, and that's pretty bad

Marb

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » January 28, 2005, 6:50 pm

Glad to see some folks protecting their store with firepower.