The effects

Tinkin Tankem · Post by **Tinkin Tankem** » January 25, 2005, 6:04 pm

In the long run do how do you think things would be effected by changing the abortion laws in some way or another. It won't be a clean and dry cut no matter what we do, it is most surely a double edged sword.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 25, 2005, 6:54 pm

I can guaratee that #4 will be the case. More difficult to have abortions would mean more fucked up crap. Regardless of morailty, you have to admit that less people hitting eachother with baseball bats, coathangers, and other things of this nature that are potentially fatal to people is better. It's not like you can outlaw these things either. I mean you can but it's gonna happen anyways.

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » January 25, 2005, 7:12 pm

It can never be repealed, but made more difficult.

I'm not sure I want it repealed, it helps define the type of mentality in each party, not a good or bad thing, just a line of demarcation.

Partial Birth Abortions are now illegal.

Next issue, should kids have to inform parents?

Then next issue, move it to first term only abortions ...

Perhaps that appeases both sides enough its no longer an issue.

I know, naive.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 25, 2005, 7:30 pm

Pregnancy tests can be very inaccurate. Yeah I don't like that it's trying to be pulled into a ban slowly...

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » January 25, 2005, 10:29 pm

You can't just ban abortion. The change has to come from a societal movement. It has to be taboo to get an abortion. It's the only way to effectively restrict its use now that it has become such a rampant and systemic problem.

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » January 25, 2005, 10:32 pm

That's what I'm saying. It looks like we are edging that direction. This IMHO is a very bad thing. I am making my opinion known and contributing to the resistance of this in a very small way.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 26, 2005, 12:59 am

Rekaar. wrote:You can't just ban abortion. The change has to come from a societal movement. It has to be taboo to get an abortion. It's the only way to effectively restrict its use now that it has become such a rampant and systemic problem.

You conservatives and your taboos, you all have managed to make even something as natural as sex taboo in the US (maybe because you cant get any

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I say make abortions available to everyone and easily...in reality the world is overpopulated and unwanted fetuses that have the posibility of becoming conseous life are not needed.
If you want to adopt a child, there are thousands of starving, homeless children in asia, south america, africa etc...international adoptions (which are a pain in the ass) need to have less regulation, as well as abortions

nobody · Post by **nobody** » January 26, 2005, 1:33 am

Xzion wrote: I say make abortions available to everyone and easily...in reality the world is overpopulated and unwanted fetuses that have the posibility of becoming conseous life are not needed.

sounds like genocide

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 26, 2005, 2:03 am

Wow this isn't tiresome at all

Tinkin Tankem · Post by **Tinkin Tankem** » January 26, 2005, 5:24 am

Tiresome possibly, however I am trying to see what people feel what should be done. Then what would happen in this course of action. People seem to want to make it so clean cut and say that this should happen this or that way. In contrast most decisions major or minor have long lasting effects. These effects may change in the course of time. Thus I feel that if abortion was made more difficult or more governed people may choose not to just have sex with random people and possibly weigh the consequences (sp I'm drunk.) And yes Xzion, I am angry that people are having sex when I am not

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 26, 2005, 8:42 am

nobody wrote:
Xzion wrote: I say make abortions available to everyone and easily...in reality the world is overpopulated and unwanted fetuses that have the posibility of becoming conseous life are not needed.
sounds like genocide

If the object being "aborted" has no brain or no means to think, feel, or survive on its own its hardly genocide...jacking off and whiping the sperm in a paper towel could be considered genocide by those measures

Burke · Post by **Burke** » January 26, 2005, 1:12 pm

Thus I feel that if abortion was made more difficult or more governed people may choose not to just have sex with random people and possibly weigh the consequences

What color are the skies in your world? Sex is the Big Motivator (tm). Making them more difficult to obtain will do nothing to slow the rate at which people have sex, random or otherwise.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » January 26, 2005, 1:14 pm

poll question is formed poorly.

for starters it skews the results by supposing an ambiguous change in abortion law. many of the responses, while trying to get unambiguous results, are too specific to represent a broad enough audience pool when only 4 choices are given for such an involved topic.

Tinkin Tankem · Post by **Tinkin Tankem** » January 26, 2005, 5:51 pm

I agree that the poll questions are poorly worded. I really couldn't think of a good way to get what I was looking for with any sort of questions. Rather I was looking to use the poll as a way to start the discussion. The "other" option was put in there for that very reason. Really their is no clean cut way of answering the question in one sentance.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 26, 2005, 10:43 pm

Why can you tell someone you don't know they cannot have an abortion? Is it your body? Is it your baby? Is it your business?

The answer is you can't, no, no and no.

I am glad to see only 4 people are actually insensitive enough to think they are in the right by being "Pro Life".

Whatever the fuck that means....who the fuck isn't Pro life? Or you are more pro life for unborn babies than anyone else? That would be what is called a 'double standard'.

There is no "abortion issue" except to the intellectually backward of this world. Oddly enough, I respect your passion, but I boggle at your logic.

Btw this goes out to the people who cannot see reality anymore, not you normal sensible folk on VV!!

nobody · Post by **nobody** » January 26, 2005, 10:46 pm

Teenybloke wrote: Btw this goes out to the people who cannot see reality anymore, not you normal sensible folk on VV!!

i take offense to that

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 26, 2005, 10:53 pm

You would!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » January 27, 2005, 2:00 am

The whole pro-life movement is just another effort by religious groups to force their moral beliefs on folks.

You guys pride yourself on having a free country, let people exercise that freedom the way they see fit.

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