Why are you a conservative?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 23, 2005, 12:38 pm

Why are you conservative? What are the specific issues that make you align yourself with the conservative party?

My question is simple, but there are a couple things that should not be part of your answer because they are not really answers:

* No vague ideological values, like "freedom" or "family values." Give specific issues, not party line fluff.
* No Bush-specific plans, programs, or actions (i.e. no "Privatized Social Security" or "War on Iraq" etc.) You were a conservative before Bush, right?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » January 23, 2005, 12:59 pm

Pro-Life, capital punishment, fiscal responsibility (current president doesn't show that, I know), a preference for taking care of our own problems before trying to fix everyone elses, the balls to stand up and do what they think is right regardless of whatever else anyone else thinks about it unless it can be proven completely incorrect (ie: inavding iraq instead of bowing to overseas interests would have been ok if it had been said with truthful reasons is good, but then refusing to own up to the mistake after is bad), assistance to the armed forces at all times, and last but not least, the beliefe that in order to help families on welfare we shouldn't give them more money, we should give them ways to dig themselves Out of the ditch they find themselves in.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 23, 2005, 1:01 pm

I love how social conservatives love to use "freedom" everytime they back something up where almost ALL of there issues (besides right to bear arms, which i agree 100% with most conservative stances) are in the support of limiting freedom

-taking away a womens FREEDOM to choose

-taking away the FREEDOMS of the 1st amendment

-taking away gay peoples FREEDOM to choose who they wish to marry

-supporting patriot act which limits personal FREEDOM

-forcing christian "values" into the government limiting FREEDOM of choice

-legislating morality which takes away peoples FREEDOM to decide what they truly believe is right or wrong

-standing against medical marijuana and marijuana for recreational use, once again limiting FREEDOM of choice

when you get down to it social conservatives (authoritarians) attempt to force there values and there belifs on others, they do not respect individuality or various stances on issues and want everyone to conform to there lifestyle

social liberals (libertarians) stand for tolerance, liberty, and social freedom they believe that morality is an issue for the individual to regulate, not the government

conservatives once prided themselves for having the philosophy that stood behind "small government"...now, they are clearly becomming the party of "big government" , even on several economic issues that those such as Regan stood against

although when it comes to issues of welfare, taxes, social security, government spending, national deficit spending (bush not a good example heh) etc i would call myself (or once, and bush doesnt really back this issues as a true conservative should) a fiscal conservative

My philosophy stands behind small government both socially and fiscally, i dont care if the issues are backed by liberals or conservatives

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 23, 2005, 1:05 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Pro-Life, capital punishment, fiscal responsibility (current president doesn't show that, I know), a preference for taking care of our own problems before trying to fix everyone elses, the balls to stand up and do what they think is right regardless of whatever else anyone else thinks about it unless it can be proven completely incorrect (ie: inavding iraq instead of bowing to overseas interests would have been ok if it had been said with truthful reasons is good, but then refusing to own up to the mistake after is bad), assistance to the armed forces at all times, and last but not least, the beliefe that in order to help families on welfare we shouldn't give them more money, we should give them ways to dig themselves Out of the ditch they find themselves in.

i love how you listed pro life and capital punishment right after eachother

...then again im pro choice and anti capital punishment

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » January 23, 2005, 1:21 pm

Hiya Xzion, perhaphs you misread my post.

-- I don't think there should be a right to murder unborn children, so that's about the only contention you can pick with me of what I said in my text. I've also said I am pro-choice in terms where the life of the mthoer is threatened, but you may have missed that.

-- I didn't mention the 1st amendment.

-- I'm all for gay couples getting married.

-- I've never said I am for or against the patriot act.

-- I've never said that I think 'Christian values' should be added into government programs.

-- I've never suggested legislating morality outside of abortion, so I don't have a clue what you're smoking there.

-- I'm not against medical marijuana.

So, um, what was your point again?

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » January 23, 2005, 1:51 pm

I'm not playing, specificaly for the above posts. Just another forum for the empassioned and bitter left to spout off and right bash.

If you really want to know Lalanae, I'll PM you, but this thread is going nowhere.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 23, 2005, 2:45 pm

You know, I really think that the vocal conservatives on this board now outman the vocal liberals.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 23, 2005, 3:32 pm

Just another forum for the empassioned and bitter left to spout off and right bash.

Are you even trying to claim the empassioned right does not spout off and left bash??

nobody · Post by **nobody** » January 23, 2005, 6:41 pm

i'm a conservative b/c i feel the government should be out of our lives as much as possible. and while some programs are needed i feel liberal's want to take my money to fund every welfare and social security program possible. i don't agree with social security period. it is the governemt telling me how to live my life. but at the same time you can't depend on your boss for a retirement anymore b/c big business has gotten so greedy. there used to be a time when you could stay with a company for 20 years. i believe marijuana should be legal, medical reasons or not. and i don't smoke, never have. i am pro-life b/c of things that have happened to me. it is a living thing and it's not fair to end its life just b/c you were irresponsible. especially when the guy has no say in it. i should be a father right now and it breaks my heart that i lost that opportunity. i believe in capital punishment b/c murderer's earned the that sentance unlike an unborn child who is innocent. i beleive it should be reserved for those who truly deserve it. i believe in a powerful military and less involvment in world conflicts, unless we're invited. i believe marriage is for a man and a woman for the purpose to raise children together but my beleif's should not be imposed on those who choose to live differently from me. especially in a peaceful manner.

lastly even though i might poke fun at lib's i enjoy hearing your side. i agree with a lot of things you guys point out. i do NOT however miss kyoukan. she is a cold hearted bitch who has no soul.

Drolgin Steingrinder · January 23, 2005, 7:02 pm

I miss Kyoukan.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 23, 2005, 7:34 pm

Akaran_D wrote:Hiya Xzion, perhaphs you misread my post.

-- I don't think there should be a right to murder unborn children, so that's about the only contention you can pick with me of what I said in my text. I've also said I am pro-choice in terms where the life of the mthoer is threatened, but you may have missed that.

-- I didn't mention the 1st amendment.

-- I'm all for gay couples getting married.

-- I've never said I am for or against the patriot act.

-- I've never said that I think 'Christian values' should be added into government programs.

-- I've never suggested legislating morality outside of abortion, so I don't have a clue what you're smoking there.

-- I'm not against medical marijuana.

So, um, what was your point again?

My argument is not against you, its against social conservatives
you may not be but most conservatives ARE bigoted against gay people, most of them do want christian values (further) implemented into our government, most of them DO want morality legislated, most of them are PRO censorship (With dirty naked bodys and sexy words, they dont care about violence) and most of them want to pervert the 1st amendment to only protect the freedoms that they like

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 23, 2005, 8:05 pm

While I have no sympathy for murderers, the justice system can be wrong and innocent people can be convicted. Just ask Randall Adams, who was sentenced to death for the murder of a Texas cop when he was completely innocent. After seeing the documentary about his case The Thin Blue Line, I became anti-death penalty. I don't care if the chances are 1 in a 100,000.

Seebs, if you don't want to participate in this discourse, you don't have to, but I don't entertain private messages for those not willing to speak publicly.

Its a simple question and I should have given an example to start off. For example, I align myself with liberals because the 3 most important things to me are:

* Women's reproductive rights
* Absolute equality for gays (not just marriage but in the workplace, which they still don't have in most states)
* Absolute separation between church and state

There are other less important issues, but these are the issues I feel most strongly about, the ones I will never change my mind about. I can agree with the principles of fiscal conservatism, but I've yet to see a president pull it off. Its simply a myth for now.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » January 23, 2005, 8:28 pm

Lalanae...good luck with that. If your party sticks to all three of those get used to losing.

I mean your values are your own, but if the purpose of a political party is to represent its people then for their sake I hope they realize yours is a dwindling constituency.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 23, 2005, 9:08 pm

Rekaar. wrote:Lalanae...good luck with that. If your party sticks to all three of those get used to losing.

I mean your values are your own, but if the purpose of a political party is to represent its people then for their sake I hope they realize yours is a dwindling constituency.

None of the three listed have every been a primary platform for the Democrats, and never will be.

Why don't you attempt to address the question instead of tangentially bashing someone because it makes you feel intellectually superior to align yourself with the stupid masses.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 23, 2005, 9:24 pm

Rekaar. wrote:Lalanae...good luck with that. If your party sticks to all three of those get used to losing.

I mean your values are your own, but if the purpose of a political party is to represent its people then for their sake I hope they realize yours is a dwindling constituency.

Its a growing constituency actually. The younger generations are more accepting of gays and less tolerant of religious bigotry. Just look at the trends over the last couple decades. As each generation dies off, this country becomes more and more liberal. Supporting black rights used to be a "liberal" idea and before the great gains of the Civil Rights movement there were backwoods folk like yourself, telling supporters of black rights that they had no hope.

The Supreme Court will never support your bigotry even when your party does.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 23, 2005, 9:27 pm

BTW Lala, the answer to your question is: Fear.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » January 24, 2005, 1:45 am

Don't kid yourself. America has never once seen a growth in conservativism.

Never.

Conservativism simply becomes more and more liberal as time goes on. I'm not saying that's gonna happen forever, but in the miniscule space of time that America's existed, that's been the case.

My 9-year-old cousin said something I found funny a few months ago. She predicted the (canadian) liberal party would win the election because "conservatives are old people and they'll all be dead soon".

It's far from advanced poli-sci, but for an 9-year-old, I guess that's a relatively perceptive observation.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 24, 2005, 2:16 am

The supremacy of the conservative parties in the US and Australia could be a reflection of the "aging population".... however, it will be a generation at least before the over representation at the top end of the age scale diminishes significantly.

*shudder*

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 24, 2005, 8:56 am

there ARE more liberals in the US...just most of them dont vote

(for what reason is beyond me)

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 24, 2005, 10:45 am

Zaelath wrote:The supremacy of the conservative parties in the US and Australia could be a reflection of the "aging population".... however, it will be a generation at least before the over representation at the top end of the age scale diminishes significantly.

As folks grow older they become more conservative in their views, and more likely to vote as well. The first comes from my own observation, the second from polls I saw during the run up to the last US election.

Doubt that will change much, many younger people want to change the world to fit an idealized, if unrealistic worldview. And fail to do anything meaningful to make it happen. Protests and such may make them feel better, but have about as much impact on the general public\political system as pissing does on a forest fire.

i'm a conservative b/c i feel the government should be out of our lives as much as possible

The root issue for me revolves around personal responsibilty. The left wants to take care of people and run thier lives, the helping hand only serves to keep them down when held out for too long. These are grownups, capable of making thier own decisions, and "reaping what they've sown", for good or ill. I know a number of people who've "crawled up from the gutter" so to speak. Public assistance programs work wonders when used in a limited fashion as they were intended. Not as a lifelong crutch.

Are "group_X" people human? They should have the same rights as anyone else, that's not something that needs new legislation. Not special rights or legislation because they raise a stink. Old legislation repealed if anything.

Punish those who violate peoples rights as human beings, not because they offended minority\gender\whatever "group_X". We don't need more laws.

*Edit - I disagree with the Bush administration on many issues. As I said before the election had the Dems run any reasonable cenrtrist candidate I'd have voted for him or her.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » January 24, 2005, 2:40 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Rekaar. wrote:Lalanae...good luck with that. If your party sticks to all three of those get used to losing.

I mean your values are your own, but if the purpose of a political party is to represent its people then for their sake I hope they realize yours is a dwindling constituency.
Its a growing constituency actually. The younger generations are more accepting of gays and less tolerant of religious bigotry. Just look at the trends over the last couple decades. As each generation dies off, this country becomes more and more liberal. Supporting black rights used to be a "liberal" idea and before the great gains of the Civil Rights movement there were backwoods folk like yourself, telling supporters of black rights that they had no hope.

The Supreme Court will never support your bigotry even when your party does.

Just couldn't make apoint without an attempt to slam me as a bad guy eh? Where do you get off calling me a bigot? It's sad you have so little faith in your point of view that you can never let it stand on its own.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » January 24, 2005, 5:06 pm

I believe in the old saying "He who governs least governs best." I want smaller, smarter government, lower taxes, and less bullshit pork barrels (farm subsidies that benefit only corporations, ect). I think that our drug laws are draconian and ineffective, and that fighting a war against a large segment of your own people is asinine.

No, I do not consider Dubya a conservative by any means.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » January 24, 2005, 5:08 pm

I love lamp.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » January 24, 2005, 5:11 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:I miss Kyoukan.

Ditto

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 24, 2005, 6:45 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Zaelath wrote:The supremacy of the conservative parties in the US and Australia could be a reflection of the "aging population".... however, it will be a generation at least before the over representation at the top end of the age scale diminishes significantly.

i'm a conservative b/c i feel the government should be out of our lives as much as possible
The root issue for me revolves around personal responsibilty. The left wants to take care of people and run thier lives, the helping hand only serves to keep them down when held out for too long. These are grownups, capable of making thier own decisions, and "reaping what they've sown", for good or ill. I know a number of people who've "crawled up from the gutter" so to speak. Public assistance programs work wonders when used in a limited fashion as they were intended. Not as a lifelong crutch.

Are "group_X" people human? They should have the same rights as anyone else, that's not something that needs new legislation. Not special rights or legislation because they raise a stink. Old legislation repealed if anything.

Punish those who violate peoples rights as human beings, not because they offended minority\gender\whatever "group_X". We don't need more laws.

*Edit - I disagree with the Bush administration on many issues. As I said before the election had the Dems run any reasonable cenrtrist candidate I'd have voted for him or her.

what about moral issues then?
dont you think that americans should have the right to choose what they should watch on TV, opposed to the government

dont you think americans are mature enough to make decisions about there own body that the government should have no right to get involved in

dont you think americans should be allowed to engage in whatever union they choose, without the government choosing whats right and whats wrong?

Do you think the government should have the right to violate your 1st, 4th and 5th amendment rights via the patriot act?

There are very few, if any posters on this board that truly support "small government " more then i do...i have realized (although supporting bush 4 years ago due to ignorance) that new conservatives stand for BIG GOVERNMENT with there programs, democrates are not much better by any means...in an ideal situation i would support a canidate with views similar to Ah-nuld... a liberal republican that truly stands for small government both socially and fiscally would receve my vote and gladly

Rivera Bladestrike · Post by **Rivera Bladestrike** » January 24, 2005, 7:03 pm

I love when conservatives pull the "lesser government" and "keep government out of our lives" card. And then are all gung ho for limitation on abortion, more censorship, less rights for gays, and install faith based programs on the masses.

In reality, conservatives only really want government out of their lives when it comes to their guns, their trucks, and their money.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » January 24, 2005, 9:30 pm

Xzion wrote: what about moral issues then?
dont you think that americans should have the right to choose what they should watch on TV, opposed to the government

dont you think americans are mature enough to make decisions about there own body that the government should have no right to get involved in

dont you think americans should be allowed to engage in whatever union they choose, without the government choosing whats right and whats wrong?

Do you think the government should have the right to violate your 1st, 4th and 5th amendment rights via the patriot act?

There are very few, if any posters on this board that truly support "small government " more then i do...i have realized (although supporting bush 4 years ago due to ignorance) that new conservatives stand for BIG GOVERNMENT with there programs, democrates are not much better by any means...in an ideal situation i would support a canidate with views similar to Ah-nuld... a liberal republican that truly stands for small government both socially and fiscally would receve my vote and gladly

absolutly

you should be able to do most anything with your body except for abortion, b/c that child deserves to live. if you don't want the child then give him/her up to someone who can't have one.

absolutly

not at all

imo, the government shouldn't do anything for me that i can't do for myself. benjamin franklin said the responsability lies on (in order) the individual, the family, the community, the city, the county, the state, and finally as a last resort, the federal government.

Post by **pyrella** » January 24, 2005, 9:41 pm

Rekaar. wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Rekaar. wrote:Lalanae...good luck with that. If your party sticks to all three of those get used to losing.

I mean your values are your own, but if the purpose of a political party is to represent its people then for their sake I hope they realize yours is a dwindling constituency.
Its a growing constituency actually. The younger generations are more accepting of gays and less tolerant of religious bigotry. Just look at the trends over the last couple decades. As each generation dies off, this country becomes more and more liberal. Supporting black rights used to be a "liberal" idea and before the great gains of the Civil Rights movement there were backwoods folk like yourself, telling supporters of black rights that they had no hope.

The Supreme Court will never support your bigotry even when your party does.
Just couldn't make apoint without an attempt to slam me as a bad guy eh? Where do you get off calling me a bigot? It's sad you have so little faith in your point of view that you can never let it stand on its own.

Actually, almost everyone here, liberal or conservative or vegetarian is a bigot:

big·ot n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Now what's the word for someone who actually trys to force those viewpoints on someone else, by trying to belittle their own view points with false, or unsubstantiated evidence? Oh yeah...propagandist, slanderer, defamer, libeler? Pick one!

Now, do you actually have anything to back up 'yours is a dwindling constituency' ? Are you telling me, that daily, there are more and more people who do not support womens rights, gay rights, or a seperation of church and state? I'm honestly interested to know where you get this data for 99% of your off the cuff statements like this. Are they friends and neighbours? Fellow church goers? I could honestly see how this would sway your opinion....but even you would have to admit that your sample selection is lacking to get a truly impartial view.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » January 25, 2005, 9:59 am

But the truth is, we all know it's due to inflated dick syndrome because he voted for the side that won! He can run his mouth all he wants, and if anyone questions anything he says, he can reply "shut up, loser"

But I kid.

I'd be interested to see Reekar(.) come up any kind of intelligent response; sadly however, I know he won't.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 25, 2005, 10:12 am

Xzion wrote:dont you think that americans should have the right to choose what they should watch on TV, opposed to the government

Yes, but they don't. Not due to the FCC either, hollyweird has a definate agenda. For example, ever watch Latino programing? Most of the game shows and such are very enjoyable and are very similar to what was on US "anglo oriented" channels in the 60s and 70s. Bollywood movies are another good example of quality entertainment that doesn't have to revert to violence, language, nudity, etc.. to entertain. We're not jaded, we're just fed what they feel thay can get away with.

Xzion wrote:dont you think americans are mature enough to make decisions about there own body that the government should have no right to get involved in

If it doesn't impact others, including financially then yes. As far as abortion in particular goes, to save the mother and in rape cases yes. In other instances, for myself I'm against it. It's not my decision to make for someone else though. When does a fetus become a person?

Xzion wrote:dont you think americans should be allowed to engage in whatever union they choose, without the government choosing whats right and whats wrong?

If it doesn't impact others, yes. Nothing wrong with civil unions, etc.. The same group(s) that demand I accept their beliefs\choice of lifestyle should respect mine as well.

Xzion wrote:Do you think the government should have the right to violate your 1st, 4th and 5th amendment rights via the patriot act?

Portions of the patriot act were appropriate as a short term measure to address issues occuring at the time. As a whole it needs to be allowed to expire, and those parts politicians feel they still need should be enacted individually. Some of the acts allowed by the patriot act were to give powers to agencies that they lost due to past abuses. People are still people, and will do whatever they feel they can get away with. Our govt needs to be tightly controlled in what it can and cannot do to private citizens.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 25, 2005, 11:44 am

Aabidano wrote:Yes, but they don't. Not due to the FCC either, hollyweird has a definate agenda. For example, ever watch Latino programing? Most of the game shows and such are very enjoyable and are very similar to what was on US "anglo oriented" channels in the 60s and 70s. Bollywood movies are another good example of quality entertainment that doesn't have to revert to violence, language, nudity, etc.. to entertain. We're not jaded, we're just fed what they feel thay can get away with.

All I ever see on Univision are three shows, some kind of soap opera w/ hot women, news w/ hot women anchors, and sabado gigante with hot women lip syncing simple music in the key of G.

Thank god for sports on tv is all I have to say.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » January 25, 2005, 12:18 pm

-- I'm all for gay couples getting married.

My tubby friend here LOVES teh cock.

-- j&sb!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 25, 2005, 2:10 pm

Lalanae wrote:Why are you conservative? What are the specific issues that make you align yourself with the conservative party?

My question is simple, but there are a couple things that should not be part of your answer because they are not really answers:

* No vague ideological values, like "freedom" or "family values." Give specific issues, not party line fluff.
* No Bush-specific plans, programs, or actions (i.e. no "Privatized Social Security" or "War on Iraq" etc.) You were a conservative before Bush, right?

Because it Pisses you off!!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 25, 2005, 2:13 pm

30 posts it took before someone had the balls to be honest.

Grats Cart

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 25, 2005, 2:27 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Lalanae wrote:Why are you conservative? What are the specific issues that make you align yourself with the conservative party?

My question is simple, but there are a couple things that should not be part of your answer because they are not really answers:

* No vague ideological values, like "freedom" or "family values." Give specific issues, not party line fluff.
* No Bush-specific plans, programs, or actions (i.e. no "Privatized Social Security" or "War on Iraq" etc.) You were a conservative before Bush, right?

Because it Pisses you off!!

I was leaning toward being a liberal but then Cartalas talked me out of it.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » January 25, 2005, 10:20 pm

pyrella wrote:
Rekaar. wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Rekaar. wrote:Lalanae...good luck with that. If your party sticks to all three of those get used to losing.

I mean your values are your own, but if the purpose of a political party is to represent its people then for their sake I hope they realize yours is a dwindling constituency.
Its a growing constituency actually. The younger generations are more accepting of gays and less tolerant of religious bigotry. Just look at the trends over the last couple decades. As each generation dies off, this country becomes more and more liberal. Supporting black rights used to be a "liberal" idea and before the great gains of the Civil Rights movement there were backwoods folk like yourself, telling supporters of black rights that they had no hope.

The Supreme Court will never support your bigotry even when your party does.
Just couldn't make apoint without an attempt to slam me as a bad guy eh? Where do you get off calling me a bigot? It's sad you have so little faith in your point of view that you can never let it stand on its own.

Actually, almost everyone here, liberal or conservative or vegetarian is a bigot:

big·ot n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Now what's the word for someone who actually trys to force those viewpoints on someone else, by trying to belittle their own view points with false, or unsubstantiated evidence? Oh yeah...propagandist, slanderer, defamer, libeler? Pick one!

Now, do you actually have anything to back up 'yours is a dwindling constituency' ? Are you telling me, that daily, there are more and more people who do not support womens rights, gay rights, or a seperation of church and state? I'm honestly interested to know where you get this data for 99% of your off the cuff statements like this. Are they friends and neighbours? Fellow church goers? I could honestly see how this would sway your opinion....but even you would have to admit that your sample selection is lacking to get a truly impartial view.

Feel free to point out my bigotry in my two posts on this thread then. And the word for someone who tries to "force their opinions" on someone else on a fucking discussion forum on the web is called OPINIONATED. =p

Unsubstantiated? If you want to prove me wrong feel free. I didn't offer up links and research etc because obviously I was just stating my perspective - based on the evidence I've seen - for the purposes of furthering the discussion.

PROVE IT PROVE IT gets old. We all know if we tried we could post "evidence" that supports the world is flat. In the end you either find parallels between what you and I think or you don't. But I see a population that is maturing. Traditionally maturity is followed by a feeling of personal responsibility and a loathing of the handout mentality. Don't miss the boat. Hillary's already bought her tickets.

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