MLK Day?

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » January 17, 2005, 11:44 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
nobody wrote:happy nigger day mid
It's too bad you and the others have turned this thread into all that hatred and division. Maybe you should re-read what I said in the beginning. The only people turning this thread into racist non-sense is you.

Isnt that what you say every time you brought this subject on yourself?

miir · Post by **miir** » January 17, 2005, 12:05 pm

Maybe you should re-read what I said in the beginning.

instead of alienating the other 77% of the population all could unite and get behind such a day

Who, besides racist fucks like yourself are going to aliented by a holiday in honour of MLK?

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » January 17, 2005, 12:28 pm

OK I'm going to go out on a limb here... a very thin one and try to see if I can understand the point Mid says he was originally trying to make.

Based upon the fact that we no longer have George Washington day, whom I would dare argue is more important that MLK, nor do we have Lincoln day, again who we could probably argue had a bigger impact, overall, than MLK, we should no longer have MLK day but set aside a day to celebrate everyone involved in the civil rights movement rather than center on one person. Is that the thought?

In response I would say that at least for now it's not necessary. While MLK days does bear his name it bears that as a symbol not necessarly for the man himself but what he stood for. Yes you could argue that the others did/do as well. However they aren't as recent in timeframe. For many, both inside and outside the movement, MLKs speeches and personality, what he represented is that symbol they were looking for in order to make a positive change.

My guess is that in 100 year it will probably be Civil Rights day, but while we still have people alive for whom Dr. King is a personal symbol we should leave it as is... IMHO.

Marb

Fash · Post by **Fash** » January 17, 2005, 12:38 pm

It's not about being black...

It's a good reminder of how fucking dumb and hateful humans are.

So is this thread.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 17, 2005, 1:21 pm

Marbus wrote:OK I'm going to go out on a limb here... a very thin one and try to see if I can understand the point Mid says he was originally trying to make.

Based upon the fact that we no longer have George Washington day, whom I would dare argue is more important that MLK, nor do we have Lincoln day, again who we could probably argue had a bigger impact, overall, than MLK, we should no longer have MLK day but set aside a day to celebrate everyone involved in the civil rights movement rather than center on one person. Is that the thought?

In response I would say that at least for now it's not necessary. While MLK days does bear his name it bears that as a symbol not necessarly for the man himself but what he stood for. Yes you could argue that the others did/do as well. However they aren't as recent in timeframe. For many, both inside and outside the movement, MLKs speeches and personality, what he represented is that symbol they were looking for in order to make a positive change.

My guess is that in 100 year it will probably be Civil Rights day, but while we still have people alive for whom Dr. King is a personal symbol we should leave it as is... IMHO.

Marb

Exactly Marb. As always I "try" to think long term and big picture. Nice to see someone got it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » January 17, 2005, 1:28 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:It's too bad you and the others have turned this thread into all that hatred and division.

We have you on one side and everyone else on another. Not exactly a huge earth-shattering division there!

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 17, 2005, 1:42 pm

Mid, you fail to realize the reason why they put all the President's b-day into one holiday.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 17, 2005, 2:09 pm

Lynks wrote:Mid, you fail to realize the reason why they put all the President's b-day into one holiday.

Really?

I would guess it wouldn't be very effective to have too many Federal Holidays.

I would also guess that political correctness played a part in it.

Just as it is more efficient to have one day for all Presidents. I think it would be more efficient to have a Civil Rights Day, honoring all those who lost their lives, or even those who didn't, who fought so hard for Civil Rights for all minorities and women. We have come a long way over the last 100 years and it is due to those people. I don't feel MLK should get all the accolades. But, I also understand the black community would take it as a slap in the face. So while I feel it is just, it will probably take some time.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 17, 2005, 2:25 pm

instead of alienating the other 77% of the population

You ignoring the fact you said this? This was about race. YOU threw down the race card. YOU made the assumption that white people are alienated by the MLK holiday.

Why can't you just stop trying to backpedal and admit YOU WERE WRONG.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » January 17, 2005, 2:33 pm

that, and comparing the mlk holiday with the combination of some president holidays... is just as much of an apples to oranges comparison as bringing the renaming of christmas into it.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 17, 2005, 2:48 pm

Lalanae wrote:
instead of alienating the other 77% of the population
You ignoring the fact you said this? This was about race. YOU threw down the race card. YOU made the assumption that white people are alienated by the MLK holiday.

Why can't you just stop trying to backpedal and admit YOU WERE WRONG.

I can't talk right now. I am on my way to a MLK cookout. (not really) Get my point? Go ahead and make up the wonderous things you are doing today on MLK day. They will be lies and you know that. All I did was suggest a away to bring more people together. Gosh, what an awful human being I am. The truth really irks a lot of you doesn't it? Damned scary.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 17, 2005, 3:16 pm

Was posting this thread supposed to be a joke?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 17, 2005, 3:16 pm

MLK is about equality for all and if you cant see that Mid, I feel sorry for you.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 17, 2005, 3:27 pm

I'm enjoying my day off. Why should I feel alientated? Why should any non-black person feel alienated?

You are still dancing around your initial comment...

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 17, 2005, 3:32 pm

Lynks wrote:MLK is about equality for all and if you cant see that Mid, I feel sorry for you.

Obviously I can see that. Thus the reason for making such a suggestion.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » January 17, 2005, 4:00 pm

Here is a thought, one I have had in the past but this thread defintely brought back to the surface...

We have MLK day right? Why don't we have a Margret Sanger day? I would dare say that without her and those in her movement MLK and others in the Civil Rights movement some 40 years later wouldn't have ever even been heard. While everyone focuses on the fact that, especially in the South, many places were segregated until the 60s, it seems an even greater atrocity to me that Women couldn't even vote until the 20s... but that's just my opinion.

Perhaps for some MLK represents the women's movement for equiality as well. I hope so but would still like to see something dedicated to women who fought so hard for what they believed in...

I guess I just can't help it... I love women

Marb

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » January 17, 2005, 4:08 pm

Once again, I make the suggestion to educate oneself about why MLK is revered over other civil rights activists. Read his history and most importantly, his speeches. They are eloquent as well as impassioned.

MLK was also able to connect with the "other side" in a way that had not been done. It's one thing to incite those in a repressed group to action, quite another to get the attention of everyone else as well. Sanger didn't do that.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » January 17, 2005, 4:25 pm

No I agree Lal, that is why I said he was such a symbol for many Civil rights workers who are still alive.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » January 17, 2005, 4:35 pm

I think it would be simpiler to understand if MLK was a little green man from outer space...

I think I understand what Mid was attemting to say. That the man is not as important as the cause he served. While I can agree with the reasoning, I have a differance of opinion. Here is why:

Honor. This man stood up to the tide, and was ultimately swept under and killed for doing what a patriot does. He fought to better the world and better ourselves, to teach a lesson of tolerance and community. In the time he was alive, his ethnic group was treated like shit. While this probably served as a catalyst to head this movement, it did not affect his end statement. He fought for equality. He died for equality.

In my mind, serving such a cause and dying for it makes Martin Luther King Jr. a hero. I think that to remember the man is just as important as the message he carried. I think he deserves the immortal legacy he left behind.

Mid, I can see where your statement might help, but I can also see where it might hurt. We as a country need our heroes. I have a differance of opinion, but still do not think you are racist.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » January 17, 2005, 5:14 pm

To be considered great, generally a social activist has to die for a cause. Then they get a holiday named after them. Its a religious convention that has carried over into the general psyche. Christmas is sort of in this vein (though easter is the official celebration of christ's death, ect) but it sort of coopted the existing pagan holiday of the Winter Solstice. Most of our other national holidays are about someone dying over a cause, including MLK day. MLK was also far more centrist than most civil rights movement leaders at the time and his message applies to all people, as others pointed out in this thread.

The only real issue I have is that why do we have to have a person get killed to celebrate their message or genius? Because guilt at taking things too far is the only real means of getting certain extreme elements of society (read Midnyte) to come on board for such things.

You need to do some serious soul searching Mid.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » January 17, 2005, 7:11 pm

The difference between MLK and Sanger, and other rights leaders is that they were going for specific groups, MLK was inclusive, not exclusive, he was pro EVERYONE not a specific group, he was prodemocracy, profreedom, proequality, and thusly MLK day IS A CIVIL RIGHTS DAY BY DEFAULT. Celebration of individual presidents would have gotten out of hand, especailly as we have more than 40 of them so we combined them, saying we need to dilute it to a "civil rights day" is just the white racist excuse to try to celebrate anyone other than a black man. Nothing you can say will validate your racist mindset Midnyte, because you are INCAPABLE of seeing past it and touching reality.

Your argument that it needs to be more inclusive is merely because your racist background does not allow you to see anything else than black and white.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 17, 2005, 8:12 pm

I find it kind of amusing that y'all are writing these long, intelligent posts about what Midnyte really meant.. when we all know that he isn't smart enough to go beyond "White good, black bad!"

That said, I want a MILF day!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 17, 2005, 8:24 pm

Kelshara wrote:I find it kind of amusing that y'all are writing these long, intelligent posts about what Midnyte really meant.. when we all know that he isn't smart enough to go beyond "White good, black bad!"

That said, I want a MILF day!

You find it funny that people are trying to have an intellectual discussion about this issue? That's sad for you.

Thank to me MLK Jr. and Civil Rights has gotten a good look the past two days.

Thank you MLK Jr. for giving your life so we may even have these open discussions.

I've decided to honor MLK Jr. day and the upcoming Black History month with watching Roots again. If you haven't watched Roots, I highly recommend it. It will show some of you what racism really is. Not what you make up in your little tiny minds and throw labels at.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 17, 2005, 8:26 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Thank to me MLK Jr. and Civil Rights has gotten a good look the past two days.

How arrogant of you.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » January 17, 2005, 8:26 pm

grits dummy!

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 17, 2005, 8:30 pm

Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Thank to me MLK Jr. and Civil Rights has gotten a good look the past two days.
How arrogant of you.

It just kills you don't it?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 17, 2005, 8:32 pm

What? The level of stupidity oozing on the screen everytime you post? Yes it does.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 17, 2005, 8:33 pm

Lynks wrote:What? The level of stupidity oozing on the screen everytime you post? Yes it does.

Keep telling yourself that.

Sionistic · Post by **Sionistic** » January 17, 2005, 8:42 pm

Yeah mid, untill you mentioned it, none of us knew who MLK was, nor did we know civil rights history.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 17, 2005, 8:45 pm

And if I didnt have a calendar, or TV, or was illeterate, I would of never known it was today.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 17, 2005, 9:00 pm

You find it funny that people are trying to have an intellectual discussion about this issue? That's sad for you.

Considering you got that out of what I said I now fully understand how you can watch Fox News.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » January 17, 2005, 9:25 pm

Ok, what truly pisses me off is that I am still working on this holiday! It should have been a nice 3 day weekend!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 17, 2005, 9:38 pm

Marbus wrote:OK I'm going to go out on a limb here... a very thin one and try to see if I can understand the point Mid says he was originally trying to make.

Based upon the fact that we no longer have George Washington day, whom I would dare argue is more important that MLK, nor do we have Lincoln day, again who we could probably argue had a bigger impact, overall, than MLK, we should no longer have MLK day but set aside a day to celebrate everyone involved in the civil rights movement rather than center on one person. Is that the thought?

In response I would say that at least for now it's not necessary. While MLK days does bear his name it bears that as a symbol not necessarly for the man himself but what he stood for. Yes you could argue that the others did/do as well. However they aren't as recent in timeframe. For many, both inside and outside the movement, MLKs speeches and personality, what he represented is that symbol they were looking for in order to make a positive change.

My guess is that in 100 year it will probably be Civil Rights day, but while we still have people alive for whom Dr. King is a personal symbol we should leave it as is... IMHO.

Marb

Don't forget, the great emancipator was a bigger racist than Mid...

Honest Abe wrote:I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the Negro into our social and political life as our equal. . . We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed, with millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is neither possible nor desirable

Was also watching a documentary the other day and he referred to the Native Americans as little better than animals for warring amongst themselves all the time.. certainly even lesser than the negros.

Rekaar. · Post by **Rekaar.** » January 18, 2005, 12:31 am

It should be called mlk day, and it should be a federal holiday. It was his shining example and leadership that made the civil rights movement a success.

Maybe in 50 years we can revisit.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 18, 2005, 1:20 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
instead of alienating the other 77% of the population
You ignoring the fact you said this? This was about race. YOU threw down the race card. YOU made the assumption that white people are alienated by the MLK holiday.

Why can't you just stop trying to backpedal and admit YOU WERE WRONG.
I can't talk right now. I am on my way to a MLK cookout. (not really) Get my point? Go ahead and make up the wonderous things you are doing today on MLK day. They will be lies and you know that. All I did was suggest a away to bring more people together. Gosh, what an awful human being I am. The truth really irks a lot of you doesn't it? Damned scary.

ehhh, i went to a BBQ today, your argument was valid (although i disagree) until you threw out the alienating the other 77%...of course your avoiding an explanation on that one

nobody · Post by **nobody** » January 18, 2005, 2:39 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Thank to me MLK Jr. and Civil Rights has gotten a good look the past two days.

you mean today was mlk day? i thought you brought it up b/c you were racist. shit, i woulda had a bbq or watched roots or something.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 18, 2005, 3:07 am

I read comics all day. One was full of oppressed mutants fighting for equality with homo sapiens. I could relate this to MLK so my day was not totally lost on the holiday topic.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 18, 2005, 3:11 am

I don't do shit on Presidents Day or Labor Day or Veterans Day or Flag Day either.

Drolgin Steingrinder · January 18, 2005, 7:50 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:You find it funny that people are trying to have an intellectual discussion about this issue? That's sad for you.

If this is what constitutes an intellectual discussion for you, I'm sorry. This is hardly an intellectual or even intelligent debate. It's just you making random weird statements and then later semi-retracting them when people call you on your bullshit.

Delude yourself into a role as agent provovateur if you will, but you are not fanning the flame of great intelligent discourse through your semi-racist and ill-informed statements.