Abortion rights trip up against baby protection laws

[Xzion]

What people dont seem to understand is that the worlds population is increasing at a VERY unhealthy rate. Your children may very likely one day see a world with mandatory abortions and laws restricting familys to one child.
in 25 years earths population is expected to DOUBLE...in 50 years 6x WHAT IT IS NOW, its sick and one of our greatest means of downfall may come from overpopulation and lack of resources, not to mention all the wars these scenarios will create

[Xzion]

this is why underaged abortion without parental notification should be legal in all states,
sad to see cases like this happen, or even worse a neglicted kid brought into the world (by accident) with parents that could give two shits about it

Actually, that is why it shouldn't be legal. Because most kids that age don't know how to make rational decisions.

Exactly.

These kids do not have the emotional maturity to make such an important decision. Their actions show a lack of sound judgment and critical thinking skills. To say that this is a good example to exclude parental notification of an impending abortion makes no sense at all.

Remember, they are still minors regardless of whether they come from a dysfunctional household or not.

Also...

In short, this story is an example of what happens when abortion is limited-in ANY way.

Even my wife, the most pro-choice woman I know...feels that there should be some regulation over abortions. Please tell me...in your world of non-limited abortions...where does aborting a late third trimester pregnancy fit in? If abortions are legal right up to the very day of delivery, do you find it conscionable to perform an abortion the day before the due date...regardless of the reason?

Respectfully,

Moonwynd

umm, do you really want people who would beat a fetus with a baseball bat to be parents, do you want these people to introduce there genes into our gene pool?
You preach abstinance, but how is a fetus never being brought into exsistance any better then a exsisting fetus being terminated before it has a brain or any means to think or feel?

[VariaVespasa]

No, neither should be charged, although they should be given some councilling etc. Abortion is legal, this was well within the legal time limits on abortion, the intent was clearly to generate an abortion, and it was apparently consenting on both sides.

Im no lawyer, and I definitely dont know the fine print of abortion laws, but I would think you need to be a practicing medical doctor with a liscence in order to perform a legal abortion.

I very well may be wrong. But I dont see how any schmo on the street corner would be legally permitted to perform abortions. And if joe blow would be tossed in jail for terminating a pregnancy, then these two kids should also be punishable under the law.

Backed into the corner or not. Petrified to tell their parents or not. They should be punished for the actions they took. There are legal means of terminating a pregnancy. This was not one of them.

Oh there may well be some technical fine print they violated, but the point is its comparatively minor, and most certainly doesnt warrant major hard time. We're talking fines and probation or community service here, not 10+ years in jail. You wont find Joe Shmo on the street corner performing abortions legally since its a medical procedure thats performed on other people, and he doesnt have a license to do that. However, best i know, you dont need a license to perform medical procedures on yourself, however ill-advised. I can saw my own legs off if the mood strikes me, and the law doesnt have squat to say about it in terms of arresting me for a crime for doing it. They might grab me for a psych evaluation and all that good stuff, but they cant charge me with a crime, except perhaps littering. If I try to saw someone elses legs off thats another matter, but my own is fine.

*Hugs*
Varia

[Moonwynd]

this is why underaged abortion without parental notification should be legal in all states,
sad to see cases like this happen, or even worse a neglicted kid brought into the world (by accident) with parents that could give two shits about it

Actually, that is why it shouldn't be legal. Because most kids that age don't know how to make rational decisions.

Exactly.

These kids do not have the emotional maturity to make such an important decision. Their actions show a lack of sound judgment and critical thinking skills. To say that this is a good example to exclude parental notification of an impending abortion makes no sense at all.

Remember, they are still minors regardless of whether they come from a dysfunctional household or not.

Also...

In short, this story is an example of what happens when abortion is limited-in ANY way.

Even my wife, the most pro-choice woman I know...feels that there should be some regulation over abortions. Please tell me...in your world of non-limited abortions...where does aborting a late third trimester pregnancy fit in? If abortions are legal right up to the very day of delivery, do you find it conscionable to perform an abortion the day before the due date...regardless of the reason?

Respectfully,

Moonwynd

umm, do you really want people who would beat a fetus with a baseball bat to be parents, do you want these people to introduce there genes into our gene pool?
You preach abstinance, but how is a fetus never being brought into exsistance any better then a exsisting fetus being terminated before it has a brain or any means to think or feel?

Where in the blue hell did I "preach abstinence"...or even mention that at all? Are the little voices in your head making up shit again?

What I do not want is the State making decisions for my children. I do not want a bunch of radical progressives pushing their agenda by bypassing all parental authority. No parental consent for a surgical procedure that will alter my child's life forever...yeah, that makes sense. And saying that some children fear their parents so much that they have no choice but to go to extremes such as this...well...that is exactly what this example is...an extreme example.

[Zaelath]

Then perhaps they need a third option... medical conselling combined w/ a judicial order?

I doubt anyone is suggesting a 15 year old should be able to go and get an abortion like a pack of gum, but you have to take the extremes into account as well as the "norms".

There are men that would beat their slut daughter senseless (or worse) for getting pregnant. There are women that would support that view. Where does that leave their kids?

[Moonwynd]

I agree with you Zae. Medical counselling and perhaps a court appointed social worker or MSW would be the next best thing.