ShowEQ programmer "Ratt" goes off on Verant

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 5, 2002, 7:55 pm

i agree Dregor. I eagerly anticipate seeing some real developments in this thread overnight.

see ya'll tomorrow!

Bakara · Post by **Bakara** » November 5, 2002, 8:01 pm

This is the bottom line,

SEQ still works if you are willing to run a sniffer on your machine. There are several ways to obfuscate the presence of said program, including setting up a telnet server on your machine and having the linux box telnet over and run it each time you zone. The encryption has always been here, but SOE just compressed the key now and instead of taking a few seconds to brute force it, it would literally take billions of years.

Nobody has time to wait a billion years right? So you get the memory key location from someone in-the-know and you just take it from memory.

Dangerous shit guys and I'll tell those of you reading right now that run SEQ I wouldn't fool with it. Take your broken despawn GPS only version of SEQ and be happy you have that.

I also wanted to say that those of you arguing back and forth about the merits of SEQ and whats "right and wrong" make me laugh.... you'll drive home tonight and go over the speed limit, you'll smoke pot, you'll cheat on your spouse, you'll steal from work, but goddamn those people that use SEQ. Are you really that upset or just fuckin jealous that you never got to play with it

Close this stupid thread, go argue about something else.

And if you really care and want to know more about SEQ and what SOE is doing now with encryption go check out http://seq.sf.net and read through the forums.. you might come away a little smarter than you would if you read this shithole.

PS: I seriously doubt anyone will *really and truly* release a Windows SEQ, it will probably stay how it is now. Linux still required and a pre-compiled libEQ.A available to decode if you can manually supply a key to SEQ. The people with enough intelligence to reverse engineer libEQ.A wont ever give out their source anyways, so no need to worry about the "masses" ruining EQ for you... sleep easy tonight!

Bakara · Post by **Bakara** » November 5, 2002, 8:04 pm

SOE doesnt have to scan your process list for memory, it's entirely possible to "protect" the memory space that the key resides in on the client side so that the program knows when that memory space has been so much as looked at.

People think they don't do it now, but its definately possible.

Just do yourselves a favor, like I said before... stay away from ANY memory sniffers running in your EQ machine you're asking for a banning and possibly a back door if you didnt compile it yourself.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » November 5, 2002, 8:15 pm

Oh oh oh!! Kguku got his feelings all mushied hurt and had to resort to having Jice dick-feed him all of his non-sensical drivel!

Cum crusted cake? Damn that was really creative! I've never experienced anything like that first-hand but i'm sure Jice provides more than enough for you to get_your_arms around...so to speak. Keep on hanging around him though and being his mindless drone because if you've proved anything at all, that is it!

Come 'round here again when you can actually make up something new and exciting. Until then, have fun shoveling up my shit!

By the way, I've never said I had an understanding of everything in the world, but I do know that reading comprehension is a good thing mmkay? I slammed you for your most pathetic crying/whining regarding a program you know so little about. "You can't use it because it's against the EULA and it ruins my game and WRAAAAAAH wraaaaa *pouts* *flailing arms in the air.*" You must be like one of those people that drive me nuts that sit their asses in the far left lane driving the speed limit because it's the law and I'm going to prove a point *violins playing* Well I digressed there a moment. Those kinds of people tend to work me up, but you...you just are around for humor.

Hope you all are having a wonderful day!

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » November 5, 2002, 8:15 pm

I will sue you for being an ass, Dregor, how does that sound?

If you weren't such a bent over fuckwit you'd figure out the following:

1) Could care less what Jice preaches, most of the stuff I read I find quite amusing, and tend to stay at arms length during any of the skirmishes that may happen.

2) Could care less of a video if it's true or not, hence why the word RUMOUR was put in there, also knowing full well it's non-existant

3) Please can you stick up for more whores I like that

4) I didn't ask for your used rubbers, not to mention the fact that more than likely you couldn't fill a flea sized shotglass let alone a rubber

5) I'm surprised you could even count to 4, those remedial math lessons must really be paying off!

I do have some naked pictures of your inflatable dog supplied by Hayley who sent it to Jice, and I just had to check out his preaching to see it!

EDIT -

Hayley - you're quite amusing in your own delusional way. Yes I must shovel shit because you say so, mmmkay. k thx you are so smart.

You claim I can't understand english, yet you seemed to have missed the entire gist of my post - Using SEQ is lame. I could give a flying fuck if you use it or not, but don't try and preach some high and mighty bullshit that SEQ is cool. I could give a fuck what you use SEQ for, even if it's for helping improve your cyber quotiant. People using SEQ have not ruined my 'fun' of the game, infact I would have no clue if someone was using it unless they stated it to me, however if they wanted to provide me information from their SEQ results, I'd pass on it, thanks.

I said - if people get banned for it - good fuckin riddance. Just like if I saw people get banned for using wall hacks in a FPS, etc.

Christ you're dumber than Barbie.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » November 5, 2002, 8:35 pm

*cracks knuckles* Where to begin...

First of all.. "Location: Winnipeg, MB". You don't know the complete and utter shame I feel at this moment knowing that I live in the same country as you. I'll console myself with knowing you're at least out in the prairies and away from me.

Now, as fun as flaming complete twits is, I really have very little to work with here. I don't know you from Jack. But I'll give it the old college try all the same.

Sue me for being an ass? How does that sound? It sounds like you failed remedial english. Did you scrape that insult out of the fry bin at Burger King? Do the rest of the world a favor and self-castrate. Take yourself out of the genepool ASAP. Doing it yourself now, when you know it's coming, will be much less painful than when you inevitably accidently do it.

re: the "video". Doesn't matter how true you think it is or not, you brought it up for a point of topic, I'll sit there smack it right back down. Insulting can be an artform, why cheapen it with shit like that.

Ignores the poor excuse for an insult laced with Jice-driven angst.

No, you asked for any used rubber, I was just considerate enough to volunteer my services. If you'd like a certain persons used rubbers, you should specify. I bet you're a David Hasslehoff kinda a guy... yes you are! Oh yes you are! Awww...

Dog, Jice, inflatable. Three words that normally go together in a sentance like Tic Tac Toe, but you somehow managed to fuck THAT up too. Here, let's give you another one. You, fuck, tard. Lets see if you can piece that one together.

Hayley · Post by **Hayley** » November 5, 2002, 8:45 pm

Kguku wrote: Why would you encode into a game a function that takes away from the game play? If people want to ruin their experience with it, that's fine, but you're classified as a wanker in my books for having to use some gay ass packet sniffing tool.

Personally if people get banned for using it - good riddance.

Ummm...who exactly was preaching some "high and mighty bullshit that SEQ was cool?" I merely felt the urge to put you into your place since you felt the need to call people "wankers" *rolls eyes* for using a third party tool. You assume that the people that use it are taking away from their game play. That's your fucking opinion little man. I think it was actually your post that came off all high and mighty.

Kguku wrote: I could give a flying fuck if you use it or not

Then why bother posting your little deflated opinion? Why even bother calling people wankers for using it?

Jesus Christ...please improve the school systems and just don't let anyone pass. My tax dollars completely wasted on those that are such poor excuses for human beings.

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » November 5, 2002, 9:25 pm

Hayley;

Like I said, if you want to use SEQ, you're a wanker. Simple as that. You don't need a third party tool like SEQ for a game like EQ. I'm really happy to know you're a proud user of SEQ, it makes me warm inside. I'm also really happy to know that you can be a huge hypocrit. Bashing someone for stating their opinion and then stating your own right afterwards.

You are so special, please, I just want to be your friend. Especially since I'm a 'little man'. Now maybe if I had even an ounce of respect for your opinion or the drivel that you spew, I might be hurt by that, however, I am not.

---

Dregor;

I actually asked for the used rubber from the GM teaming, however, since you live in Canada that rules you out of being a GM. I'm sure you are considerate enough to volunteer your services, since I would gather that's about the most action you'll see within the next few years.

Now since when did remedial english get merged with flaming 101? The entire sarcasm of my comment obviously was too much for you to comprehend, but that's O K!

You say insulting can be an art form - I don't pretend to be a pro, however, I also don't pretend to crack my knuckles and fail at any decent flame what so ever.

If you're going to flame at least be creative.

Maybe something like - Go back to swilling the bile infested goo that oozes out of Hayley's decrepid snatch, because that's the closest thing to nourishment from a woman you'll ever get.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 5, 2002, 9:26 pm

Wow, you all need Jesus.

Mawafu · Post by **Mawafu** » November 5, 2002, 9:56 pm

Personally I'd rather chew on a pack of used rubbers after the GM squad at random fan faire was done with you, than continue this conversation.

Friday can't come soon enough...

noel · Post by **noel** » November 5, 2002, 10:00 pm

Aren't you going to Fan Faire on Friday Mawa? Are you looking to chew on a pack of used rubbers?

cid · Post by **cid** » November 5, 2002, 10:10 pm

Kguku

You have said cock too many times. You can no longer look at my avatar!!

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 5, 2002, 10:37 pm

cidvicious wrote:Kguku

You have said cock too many times. You can no longer look at my avatar!!

Kguku is less rational than Aruman, even.

Iamane · Post by **Iamane** » November 5, 2002, 10:41 pm

Can we stop this Hayley vs Kguku war and carry on with the good flames plz?

I h8 everyone on Veeshan except Wonko!

Kguku · Post by **Kguku** » November 5, 2002, 10:45 pm

Wonko sent me a tell saying he hated you!

Munt · Post by **Munt** » November 5, 2002, 10:46 pm

Jugata · Post by **Jugata** » November 5, 2002, 10:58 pm

Dregor Said - I will gladly fill several condoms and serve them to you on a silver platter for your chewing enjoyment if it means you stop this conversation.

LOL.

Otherwise read Bakara's post. That's the whole story 100%. I am all flamed out. /sticks head back in sand.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 5, 2002, 11:29 pm

who is kguku again, btw just so ....

Xaem · Post by **Xaem** » November 6, 2002, 12:48 am

I stopped reading the posts after they got really stupid.

Anyway, SEQ isnt just about getting the guild sup3r dup3r spawns (like THO etc that you couldnt see with a gimp unless placed in a 'strategic' spot).

SEQ also provides a hint of unfairness when hunting. If you have ever hunted Spider Silk in EK and had competition with druids/rangers you know what I mean.

I used to dominate EK when I would hunt for silk back when I took the initiative to farm it. I went there recently though and there were 3 people in the zone, one of them was a low level gimp and another was a CoE Mage. No spiders were on track, and when they did pop up they died quasi-close to me slaying them or prior to me finding them in the first place.

SEQ isnt just about tracking things for the guild, its also for individuals. Abusing it in this sense, that a non-tracking class such as a Mage can track small spawns like spiders in EK, makes me absolutely sick.

Im not going to say any bullshit like 'OMG NOBODY IN MY GUILD USES SEQ! JESUS LOVES ME! WE ARE ALL ANGELS!'

Fuck you whoever says that shit, all guilds use it, and they all know it - just nobody knows who - and thats how we like to keep it.

Let the people who use it use it in peace until they abuse it to the point where it makes all 'fair' competition completely oblivious to even putting the effort to provide competition in the first place.

SEQ is a cheater's program, but its a really helpful cheater's program at that. I can say Ive never used SEQ, I dont have a separate computer with linux on it, and I dont really know anything about it in its entirety. Though its a malefactor in accordance to VI's perspective, its a very benefactorial malefactor in accordance to the players of EQ - which is a sick, sad thing.

Im sure we could do just as well now without SEQ as we do now with it - I can 110 % guarantee that. Im just not going to get in anybody elses business and tell them to go to hell until they fucking rub their abuse-attained power in my face.

...Ill leave that job to VI, they can handle the dirty work...

I think Ill play it safe and keep my nose out of this category.

Mawafu · Post by **Mawafu** » November 6, 2002, 2:37 am

/rude Aranuil

Come Friday Kguku will be chewing and not posting on this anymore..

<--Is gonna make the drive up to San Fran a living hell for Aran now

Mistress · Post by **Mistress** » November 6, 2002, 2:57 am

Zamtuk wrote:This guy is plenty fucking stupid

true...how many smart people get told they cant be an officer anymore then go running to legends!

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » November 6, 2002, 11:14 am

Im not going to say any bullshit like 'OMG NOBODY IN MY GUILD USES SEQ! JESUS LOVES ME! WE ARE ALL ANGELS!'

Fuck you whoever says that shit

Fuck you too you fucking clueless nobody.

All i see is a bunch of squeeling CT fucks throwing the half eaten turds they pulled from each others rectums.

My guild doesn't cheat and I don't give 2 cubic inches of rancid farty air for your opinions of us. You cheat and still suck /shrug.

I'm done with this thread. Kylere's repeatedly begging me to suck his cock is getting unnerving.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » November 6, 2002, 11:34 am

Mawafu wrote:
Come Friday Kguku will be chewing and not posting on this anymore..

Hrmm if this is true, does it mean that Hayley will be doing what she is accused of? or is that the Elf Ear Chick? Or will it be Dregor pulling his used condoms after he gets done with the GM's or inflatable sheep? Also, don't you think that if he were to chew on a bunch of used rubbers (be they from gm's or dregor) it would be a conversation starter instead of ender?

Seeing as how I am on Dregor's ignore list I can say pretty much what I want I guess. I was told that he is just a teenaged punk who validates his existence through EQ? I am happy that he has me on ignore because I don't think I could handle another tongue lashing from him again. Though I must say my sphincter hasn't been cleaner since the last time he tore into me.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 6, 2002, 11:45 am

/wave Haley

I respect any woman who can go through 3 pages of rants with me about anal sex.

Show EQ is cheating. This thread rocks. I am done.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 6, 2002, 12:55 pm

Tanc, members of your guild use SEQ. Deal.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 6, 2002, 1:05 pm

My guild doesn't cheat and I don't give 2 cubic inches of rancid farty air for your opinions of us. You cheat and still suck /shrug.

Maybe. Be we didn't kill a dragon and forget to get flagged for HoHa. We also didn't kill just about all of the players in the zone.

Lweniel · Post by **Lweniel** » November 6, 2002, 1:21 pm

Winnow wrote:Tanc, members of your guild use SEQ. Deal.

So you say, but I've NEVER seen any evidence of it, and I've looked. Until we see names and evidence, we can't kick them out. It's obvious that some people posting here have information that we don't, so please, enlighten us so we can show them the door. PM's are fine.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » November 6, 2002, 2:06 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:My guild doesn't cheat and I don't give 2 cubic inches of rancid farty air for your opinions of us. You cheat and still suck /shrug.

I'm done with this thread. Kylere's repeatedly begging me to suck his cock is getting unnerving.

You should be done with this thread. After you showed us all your leet skills last night on a dragon that CT did over a week ago with 41 people. Come back and play again soon. I am sure the clueless swarm woudl love to make fun of you some more. Send Leyor my love.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 8, 2002, 11:46 am

I don't see how this thread, with less responses, got over a thousand more reads than the one about Leyor sucking cock. I guess now we know where the real news lies!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » November 8, 2002, 12:24 pm

Funny thing is that Tanc implies I begged him, nah I order people that I make my bitch that badly to do things.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » November 8, 2002, 1:32 pm

vn_Tanc wrote:Yet you feel able to accuse me of naiivety when your ONLY basis for assuming SEQ use is that CoE and CD kill more stuff faster than you.
Obviously you think it's because we are cheating whereas the truth is that it's because you suck shitty cock.

I think it's because:
1) You have like 170 people. CoeD is like the equivalent of CT + Valhall.
2) You have prefab strats for all your mobs.

Unless you have a cleric that can track statue from EW zone they used SEQ. I was there foraging tufts of dire wolf fur (like I'm doing atm...you bastards better not be destroying those) and a single coe\cd (don't remember which) cleric zones in. 2 people in zone at that time and CoeD bolts from ST into Kael leaving Prog and FA up. Statue is undead maybe?

zotha wrote:Just one quick point, we killed Shei the 2nd time we tried him. Since then we have killed him like 2 more times. We have been to this mob VERY few times mainly because we never really expended energy and time seeing if he was up. The first time we tried Shei we may have tried some bard shit, I cant remember. The 2nd time we tried him like 2-3 months later we took a fairly straight forward aproach. There was no real strategy involved it was simply kill shit as it popped after DTs and work away at shei in between. It didnt take a rocket scientist to come up with doing a mob in the plainly obvious way its clearly intended to be killed.

Shei fucked you guys up so bad you *didn't even try* until months later when at that time you had guilded a couple of people deguilded from CT that could tell you how to kill him.

I'll give you props if\when you kill stuff in PoP without those strats handed to you even with the mega zerg. *All* your kills since NToV on are pure gimp.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 8, 2002, 3:23 pm

Aslanna wrote:I don't see how this thread, with less responses, got over a thousand more reads than the one about Leyor sucking cock. I guess now we know where the real news lies!

Aslanna,

Go to the retard section and check the views on Leyor's thread then add them to the views of the same thread in the general section.

News you can use!

BeatSoggybiscuit · Post by **BeatSoggybiscuit** » November 11, 2002, 5:09 pm

Obsidian Overlords > all

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 11, 2002, 5:30 pm

BeatSoggybiscuit wrote:I only beat you when I'm drunk, your only pretty when your crying.

--glassjaw

What kind of a fucked up quote is that? What's the context?

BeatSoggybiscuit · Post by **BeatSoggybiscuit** » November 11, 2002, 7:01 pm

its a quote from a song

Piano - by glassjaw

excellent song

VeeshanVault

ShowEQ programmer "Ratt" goes off on Verant

Basically, you guys are all fucktards.

Oh BTW...