Denied!

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » December 31, 2004, 12:54 pm

http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article ... ews=177309

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » December 31, 2004, 1:36 pm

rofl, she'll have to go back to lap dances and living in a trailer now

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 1, 2005, 12:12 pm

Fucking goldigers...there is almost nothing i despise more then those artificial asskissers seeking to leech onto others to be associated with there given status

thats one good thing that comes out of texas and some of the "red states" at least

...the common sense to award these people what they are entitled too, jack fucking shit, besides the memories of sleeping with a 90 year old to gain absolutly nothing

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 1, 2005, 1:23 pm

Woot, I'm glad too, now only if we can deny that waste of air, Paris Hilton of her parents fortune.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » January 1, 2005, 1:27 pm

hmmmm....a lot of spite from the board "compassionate ones".

Same old....same old.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 1, 2005, 1:57 pm

Coming from you that is of course ridiculous. Of course, you would probably have married him yourself if you could for the money.

Anna is a joke. Not even an attractive joke.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » January 1, 2005, 4:35 pm

Kelshara wrote:Coming from you that is of course ridiculous. Of course, you would probably have married him yourself if you could for the money.

Anna is a joke. Not even an attractive joke.

I don't presume to know everything like you do. Maybe he really loved and appreciated her. Maybe he was so thankful as an agiung man to be able to end his life with a beautiful woman, he wanted her to have it all. Who are the courts to decide any differently? Who are you to assume you know? You don't. Neither do I? I don't revel in her misfortune as you do.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 1, 2005, 4:38 pm

Sorry, I reserve my compassion for those that deserve it. Attention hungry gold digging money hording whores need not apply.

Of course, considering you have compassions for a whore and not for the people of Thailand etc says quite a bit about your pathetic level of trollishness.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 1, 2005, 4:55 pm

Anne Nicole was married to some 90 year old guy for a few months and enherited his fortune.

She did a good job using her bod for a quick cash grab. I don't think there's anything illegal about that but it's certainly unscrupulous. If she was using that money to better the world or at least buy cool electronic equipment I'd have sympathy for her cause but she's just a fat drunk lady with less of a clue than the average person. Easy come, easy go.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » January 1, 2005, 7:07 pm

I don't presume to know everything like you do. Maybe he really loved and appreciated her. Maybe he was so thankful as an agiung man to be able to end his life with a beautiful woman, he wanted her to have it all. Who are the courts to decide any differently? Who are you to assume you know? You don't. Neither do I? I don't revel in her misfortune as you do

.

Ok you believe she loves him, but you think that the Red Cross is corrupt and our donated money will be misused? What world do you live in?

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 1, 2005, 9:06 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kelshara wrote:Coming from you that is of course ridiculous. Of course, you would probably have married him yourself if you could for the money.

Anna is a joke. Not even an attractive joke.
I don't presume to know everything like you do. Maybe he really loved and appreciated her. Maybe he was so thankful as an agiung man to be able to end his life with a beautiful woman, he wanted her to have it all. Who are the courts to decide any differently? Who are you to assume you know? You don't. Neither do I? I don't revel in her misfortune as you do.

hmmm...
you you will give the benefit of the doubt to a allegid "loving" relationship between a stripper and a 90 year old millionare, yet you denounce a dead man for being scum due to him name is "dimebag"?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 1, 2005, 10:51 pm

Xzion wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kelshara wrote:Coming from you that is of course ridiculous. Of course, you would probably have married him yourself if you could for the money.

Anna is a joke. Not even an attractive joke.
I don't presume to know everything like you do. Maybe he really loved and appreciated her. Maybe he was so thankful as an agiung man to be able to end his life with a beautiful woman, he wanted her to have it all. Who are the courts to decide any differently? Who are you to assume you know? You don't. Neither do I? I don't revel in her misfortune as you do.
hmmm...
you you will give the benefit of the doubt to a allegid "loving" relationship between a stripper and a 90 year old millionare, yet you denounce a dead man for being scum due to him name is "dimebag"?

I didn't denounce him. I'm sad to see anyone die, but I called him a scumbag. I never said I was happy for his misfortune.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 1, 2005, 10:54 pm

Kelshara wrote:Sorry, I reserve my compassion for those that deserve it. Attention hungry gold digging money hording whores need not apply.

Of course, considering you have compassions for a whore and not for the people of Thailand etc says quite a bit about your pathetic level of trollishness.

Wrong again oh one who thinks he is wise. Never did I say I don't have compassion for those 100,000+ from the tsunami. These are more examples of you thinking you know things without knowing them. You don't know me. From your joy in others peoples misery, I think I know you though.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 1, 2005, 11:33 pm

Only person's misery I enjoy is yours. I know plenty about you to say that for sure.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · January 2, 2005, 12:34 am

Kelshara wrote:Only person's misery I enjoy is yours. I know plenty about you to say that for sure.

Well, I wouldn't enjoy yours. Know that.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » January 2, 2005, 1:05 am

OMG it's that wacky 9th circuit again!

Wasn't the fortune willed to her? I'd be surprised if this isn't appealed to the USSC.

Avestan · Post by **Avestan** » January 2, 2005, 1:19 pm

Kelshara wrote:Coming from you that is of course ridiculous. Of course, you would probably have married him yourself if you could for the money.

Anna is a joke. Not even an attractive joke.

Hell. I woulda married him.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » January 2, 2005, 10:42 pm

The son got a bunch of money, he is just a greedy bastard. The old guy worked his whole life and wanted to enjoy his last years, it was HIS money the courts should have nothing to do with this. Who knows how his son treated him personally? not the courts... the old man wanted some boobies and he got'em

I say give her the money.

Marb

Markulas · Post by **Markulas** » January 3, 2005, 12:31 am

I think it all goes down to the timeless question: "Do you swallow?"

Seebs · Post by **Seebs** » January 3, 2005, 11:06 am

Don't care if you swallow, just get that lap taffy out of me. I could care less where it goes.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 5, 2005, 12:49 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Xzion wrote:hmmm...
you you will give the benefit of the doubt to a allegid "loving" relationship between a stripper and a 90 year old millionare, yet you denounce a dead man for being scum due to him name is "dimebag"?
I didn't denounce him. I'm sad to see anyone die, but I called him a scumbag. I never said I was happy for his misfortune.

You sure don't seem sad at all about that tragic loss of life for someone who fancies himself the true compassionate on the board.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Uhh yeah. Sad that someone named "dimebag" is dead. Yeah. Gosh. Feeling awful here. Someone get me some tissues please.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » January 5, 2005, 1:54 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Xzion wrote:hmmm...
you you will give the benefit of the doubt to a allegid "loving" relationship between a stripper and a 90 year old millionare, yet you denounce a dead man for being scum due to him name is "dimebag"?
I didn't denounce him. I'm sad to see anyone die, but I called him a scumbag. I never said I was happy for his misfortune.
You sure don't seem sad at all about that tragic loss of life for someone who fancies himself the true compassionate on the board.

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Uhh yeah. Sad that someone named "dimebag" is dead. Yeah. Gosh. Feeling awful here. Someone get me some tissues please.

Nope. I didn't feel truly sad. But, I did not denounce him. I'm sorry some loser asshole pscho had a gun and took out his fucked delusions on innocent people. But, I did feel a big disconnect with someone nicknamed dimebag. But, I'm not into people who glorify drug use. My second favorite band Tool, does the same thing. I love their music beyond comprehension, but if he got killed there would be a part of me that had the same reaction I had with Mr. Dimebag.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 5, 2005, 5:19 pm

**Derail Alert**

I'm interested in how you feel Tool glorifies drug use? I'm not saying that there aren't scattered drug references throughout their music, though I think they usually are meant to be taken more metaphorically than literally. Tool is my favorite band, I know virtually every lyric that they have ever recorded, and nothing is really jumping out at me as glorifying drug use.

I'm also interested - and this is an argument that has taken place countless times - in why drugs are bad, mmkay? Besides always having been told they are wrong, is there any reason you can provide on why they are bad?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » January 5, 2005, 5:43 pm

talking about drugs is about as useful as talking about religion... you know the anti-drug person is going to selectively discriminate against drugs with no logical basis.

drugs are bad, mkay?... but penecillin saved the world. and asthma drugs saved midnytes and my life...

and
i love pot.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » January 5, 2005, 5:50 pm

FIGHT!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 5, 2005, 8:39 pm

But, I did feel a big disconnect with someone nicknamed dimebag.

I feel a big disconnect with somebody nicknamed Midnyte Ragebringer. The Midnyte part obviously has to do with darknes so the guy has to be a Satan worshipper. And Ragebringer? Oh he must worship the devil for sure! Asking for rage to be brought into the world! Violence lover eh?

and asthma drugs saved midnytes and my life...

Best argument why drug is bad right there!

Siji · Post by **Siji** » January 5, 2005, 9:29 pm

I'm also interested - and this is an argument that has taken place countless times - in why drugs are bad, mmkay? Besides always having been told they are wrong, is there any reason you can provide on why they are bad?

You mean besides the addiction they cause that often leads to a lower quality of life, crime to support the habit and potential health problems sometimes (often) including death? While I'd personally like to see marijuana legalized (and taxed to high hell and with laws stricter than alcohol) for both consumers and non-consumption type uses (hemp) - I don't buy into the whole 'pot isnt addictive' bullshit. It's as addictive as alcohol, and ask an alcoholic how addictive that may be..

Semi back on topic.. I'm curious what the laws are for getting a will reversed or overturned. (Not curious enough to read some multipage legal blabber - so don't waste your time researching) I'd guess it'd have to be pretty big to get a legal document overruled.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » January 5, 2005, 10:01 pm

The point is though, even if something is addictive, how far should a government go to "protect" it's citizens. At what point does it become an infringement of their rights?

Marb

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » January 5, 2005, 11:05 pm

Not getting into the whole debate about whether addiction deserves the negative value judgement we place on it:

It's as addictive as alcohol, and ask an alcoholic how addictive that may be..

This is simply not true. Is it addictive? Certainly. Is it as addictive as alcohol? No. It's just not.

Alcoholics go through withdrawal when they are forced to quit. Alcohol withdrawal can be so severe that it can actually kill the sufferer. Marijuana withdrawal is largely psychological and there has never been a recorded death from marijuana withdrawal.

Now if you'd like I'd be perfectly happy to get into a vastly more complex argument about the differences between alcohol and marijuana addictions. There are many grey areas in the discussion. However, there is no ambiguity in the facts presented above: Alcohol withdrawal can kill you; marijuana withdrawal cannot. Even if we ignore the vast quantities of scientific and anecdotal evidence, it seems that this fact alone would contradict your statement.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 5, 2005, 11:06 pm

Siji wrote: You mean besides the addiction they cause that often leads to a lower quality of life, crime to support the habit and potential health problems sometimes (often) including death?

All of those problems are related to keeping drugs a black market product. Even addiction to a certain extent; you think dealers lace less addictive drugs with more addictive (and expensive) drugs for nothing?

Herion is cheap and plentiful, it's the transport costs that get you. Legalise/regulate, crime solved.

Overdose is most frequently caused by unexpectedly "pure" product. Legalise/regulate, OD's solved.

There's also the problem of people being god awful at assessing risk, even though Ecstacy is a dodgy black market product, it only kills a dozen people a year in Great Britain, where as alcohol kills a hundred per day. Yet E's are seen as the dangerous drug. (the comparison does hold up on a per user basis, so don't bother)

I say legalise everything; and bring in the death penalty for your second offense driving under the influence.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 6, 2005, 1:44 am

I say shoot anybody who smokes pot. On sight.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » January 6, 2005, 3:19 am

Kelshara wrote:I say shoot anybody who smokes pot. On sight.

yeah go to the bar and get all shitfaced drunk legally, and go shoot some melancholy stoner (criminal!) who's bothering no one.

you're one of those people who kills abortion doctors aren't you?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 6, 2005, 9:16 am

Sarcasm Fash.

Tenuvil · Post by **Tenuvil** » January 6, 2005, 12:17 pm

Midnyte, your own brother is an admitted stoner. Do you love him less for that? If his nickname was "Dimebag" would you say the things you have said about other drug users?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 6, 2005, 1:01 pm

I don't think Tool "glorify" drug use, they simply point out the positives in drug use most pig ignorant fuckwits choose to ignore because it doesn't stand up to their bullshit uninformed scared belief systems.

Most of what Tool are about is trying to do what they can to get rid of as many of those tainted peoples stupidity by enlightening them in fantastic ways such as "46 and 2". Which is and always has been the point of Tool, "learn to swim" anyone?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » January 6, 2005, 1:24 pm

Tenuvil wrote:Midnyte, your own brother is an admitted stoner. Do you love him less for that? If his nickname was "Dimebag" would you say the things you have said about other drug users?

He is my brother. There is no disconnect. I love him unconditionally. We have had many disagreements over his use of pot and probably will continue to have them.

Post by **Sylvus** » January 6, 2005, 1:28 pm

Siji wrote:
I'm also interested - and this is an argument that has taken place countless times - in why drugs are bad, mmkay? Besides always having been told they are wrong, is there any reason you can provide on why they are bad?
You mean besides the addiction they cause that often leads to a lower quality of life, crime to support the habit and potential health problems sometimes (often) including death? While I'd personally like to see marijuana legalized (and taxed to high hell and with laws stricter than alcohol) for both consumers and non-consumption type uses (hemp) - I don't buy into the whole 'pot isnt addictive' bullshit. It's as addictive as alcohol, and ask an alcoholic how addictive that may be..

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. People who are addicted to anything and allow that addiction to take precedence over everything in their lives have a problem. The problem is with "addiction", not with whatever food, drug or activity that they are addicted to. I'd say that problem lies in addiction, not in the drugs. I've experimented with just about every drug and can honestly say that I'm only addicted to cigarettes and (maybe) alcohol, both of which are legal and both of which are several orders of magnitude more addictive and more likely to harm me or other people than any of the drugs I've done. By allowing both of those to be legal and easy to acquire, the government apparently doesn't seem to care to regulate addiction or self-destructive substances; there must be another reason why the rest of the 'illicit' drugs are wrong. So I'll leave "the possibility to become addicted" off the list of bad things about drugs and ask for the next reason.

Crime is another thing that isn't the fault of drugs themselves. It's a problem with sociopathic individuals whose behavioral issues are exacerbated by our antiquated prohibition laws. As has already been pointed out, the increased cost overhead and other factors are what lead drug users to crime. People don't smoke a joint or do a line of coke and just decide it's a good idea to go knock over a liquor store. At least people who wouldn't do that if they weren't on drugs don't. Can someone back me up that Amsterdam didn't turn into crime den once they legalized and/or decriminalized several drugs? I believe that I've read that and that it is a fact, though I don't have any links to support it at this time. It may blow your mind to know that there are exponentially more drug users out there who do not commit any crimes (barring use/possession of said drug, which shouldn't be a crime anyway) than there are that do.

The two examples you gave are exactly what were in my head as the typical, canned responses that people give, and I simply do not agree that either of them are valid justifications. Do you have any others?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 6, 2005, 1:42 pm

From the perspective of someone who has been smoking an awful lot of marijuana these last few years.....

Upsides: Less of an unconsious attititude in life..
A more altruistic outlook on life.
A warm comfy physical sensation.

Downsides: In my younger days, paranoia, and a reclusiveness set in that took an awful lot of mental effort to fight off.

Very very occasionally if I am stoned I may get a panic attack if in the wrong place. Never if I am just relaxing, only for example if I went to lets say an ice hockey game and there are 7000 people surrounding me.

Those panic attack type things never happen when I am not stoned, and were also initially caused by that "glorious" acid trip (Damn you Voronwe and your orange juice advice!) I had last year.

I think marijuana is a mixed bag when used (or in my case abused).

Eventually you really have to sit down and have the realisation that yes, it is not the work of the devil (who is a fictional character) , but also that yes, it has downsides too.

Example, I have had bad pussy and good pussy, does not mean I am going to ban pussy or give it up.............

Like all drugs, moderate, be careful, be with people you love.

Then we would all be fine! (theory)

Edit: Anyone who takes up a life of crime to fund their marijuana habit is a fucking tool. They are to blame as people, not the plant they smoke.

To make something that grows naturally on the planet illegal, seems somewhat unnatural. Surely no one here would assume Marijuana or teh "dread Marijuana" actually is the evil it is portrayed as.

If you do.........shut up, you are wrong.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 6, 2005, 10:44 pm

Fash wrote:
Kelshara wrote:I say shoot anybody who smokes pot. On sight.
yeah go to the bar and get all shitfaced drunk legally, and go shoot some melancholy stoner (criminal!) who's bothering no one.

you're one of those people who kills abortion doctors aren't you?

Yes I was obviously so serious, smiley face and everything!

Oh wait, you mistake Germany for France, call them the same thing and obviously know so much about life and the world..

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » January 7, 2005, 8:48 am

Fash wrote:
Kelshara wrote:I say shoot anybody who smokes pot. On sight.
yeah go to the bar and get all shitfaced drunk legally, and go shoot some melancholy stoner (criminal!) who's bothering no one.

you're one of those people who kills abortion doctors aren't you?

ummm, pot is not legal in this country because of conservatives, and only because of conservative,
i always get a kick out of people like you, go out of your way to vote for bush because daddy told you to and then you go smoke a J while bitching about the unfair and unjust laws banning it

you voted for bush, quit complaining and SHUT THE FUCK UP, your opinion means nothing and furthermore makes the "cause" look bad

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » January 7, 2005, 9:12 am

Xzion wrote:
Fash wrote:
Kelshara wrote:I say shoot anybody who smokes pot. On sight.
yeah go to the bar and get all shitfaced drunk legally, and go shoot some melancholy stoner (criminal!) who's bothering no one.

you're one of those people who kills abortion doctors aren't you?
ummm, pot is not legal in this country because of conservatives, and only because of conservative,
i always get a kick out of people like you, go out of your way to vote for bush because daddy told you to and then you go smoke a J while bitching about the unfair and unjust laws banning it

you voted for bush, quit complaining and SHUT THE FUCK UP, your opinion means nothing and furthermore makes the "cause" look bad

Grats on the most shallow narrow minded post evah! All or none? You vote for or against a man based on one issue? LOL...so fucking pathetic. Go ahead bash me some more then you can feel a little better about yourself and forget what a pathetic tool you are. ROFL

Fash · Post by **Fash** » January 7, 2005, 11:32 am

Xzion wrote: ummm, pot is not legal in this country because of conservatives, and only because of conservative,
i always get a kick out of people like you, go out of your way to vote for bush because daddy told you to and then you go smoke a J while bitching about the unfair and unjust laws banning it

you voted for bush, quit complaining and SHUT THE FUCK UP, your opinion means nothing and furthermore makes the "cause" look bad

im not complaining, asshole.... I don't really care that it's illegal. I'm permanently optimistic that marijuana will be legal, and I'm smart enough to know that these things take time. GWB could care less about pot, but half of the population thinks it's the demon weed. Who should you be mad at? (people who arent alive any more, for perpetrating false bullshit about pot)

I've been smoking every day for over 5 years, I have no trouble getting it in safe situations, I have never gotten caught, and I am not worried about getting caught.

I was mistakenly responding to a sarcastic post. I took it literally, and what angers me is not that pot is illegal, but that anyone fucking cares what I smoke and that anyone would want to discriminate against me because of it.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » January 7, 2005, 12:09 pm

I only "discriminate" against you for smoking pot because you think you can smoke and drive.

On a side note, there's nothing wrong with being discriminatory or judgemental, provided it's not based on race, religion, creed, or other non-deterministic traits. The ability to discriminate and show judgement is an important difference between adults and children.

The problem is, PC retards don't understand that a single word in the english language can have mutilple meanings and shades of meaning, so both concepts are dirty words. You can all go back to your circle jerk of mutual appreciation, I feel no shame at all for exercising judgement and thereby discriminating on who I alllow in my home (for example)

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » January 7, 2005, 1:19 pm

i wrote a song

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 7, 2005, 9:20 pm

I've been smoking every day for over 5 years

That explains a lot

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » January 7, 2005, 9:22 pm

Kelshara wrote:
I've been smoking every day for over 5 years
That explains a lot

You would too if you were related to Midnyte.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » January 7, 2005, 9:35 pm

Holy crap is that his brother? Well that explains even more..

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 9, 2005, 2:46 pm