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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... index.html

By now most of you have probably heard about the earthquake and the tsunamis that hit India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and other countries. It was an underwater quake measuring 8.9 which was the strongest quake in 40 years. Since this area is a huge tourist area it will impact people all over the world, and I truly hope that nobody anyone here knows were vacationing there at the time. I feel like shit for even saying that considering how many people have died :( 11 300 casualties so far and rising fast.

What a Christmas..
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A sad day for us all :cry:
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My Aunt and Uncle are missionaries in Thailand. The last I had heard of them was an e-mail saying that they were taking their three sons to the beach. Thankfully we were able to get in touch with them at around 3pm today. They were about 6 hours away when it happened.

30 ft wall of water moving at speeds upwards of 100mph. Definately tragic indeed. :cry: :cry:
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I am very sad for all those that died or lost loved ones during this tragic event. So many lives lost due to one sweep of the broom of nature.

Luckily, my parents are both home from Thailand for the holidays.... I am not sure if I would be able to handle that call. =\ I hope those VVers that were in proximity to the event are ok.
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4th biggest earthquake ever recorded
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Some of the tsunamis reached as far as 1,600 kilometers from the epicenter of the 9.0 magnitude quake, which was located about 160 kilometers (100 miles) off the coast of Indonesia's Sumatra Island at a depth of about 10 kilometers (6.2 miles).
Just updating that the quake estimate was adjusted to 9.0 from 8.9 and the death toll is up to 15,500.

I wonder if people will take the possibility of the scenario where the huge chunk of rock breaks off La Palma island in the Canaries and causes massive tital waves more seriously now.

The quake itself is nothing compared to the tsunami it caused. You can see from the earthquake that just occured how far those huge waves travel.
It has everything you could wish for in a cliche-ridden disaster movie. A beautiful volcanic island in the Atlantic is on the brink of catastrophic collapse, threatening to unleash giant waves that will wreak havoc around the globe within hours. And while scientists try in vain to make their concerns heard, the world's governments look the other way. But yesterday a leading expert claimed the doom-laden scenario was not only real but was being almost completely ignored by people in power.

Bill McGuire, the director of the Benfield Grieg Hazard Research Centre at University College London, said a huge chunk of rock, roughly the size of the Isle of Man, was on the brink of breaking off the volcanic island of La Palma in the Canaries.

When, Professor McGuire says it is not a matter of if, the rock plunges into the ocean it will trigger giant waves called mega-tsunamis.

Travelling at speeds of up to 560mph, the huge walls of water will tear across the ocean and hit islands and continents, leaving a trail of destruction.

Mega-tsunami waves are much longer than the ones we are used to.

"When one of these comes in, it keeps on coming for 10 to 15 minutes," Prof McGuire said.

"It's like a huge wall of water that just keeps coming."

Computer models of the island's collapse show the first regions to be hit, with waves topping 100 metres (330ft), will be the neighbouring Canary Islands. Within a few hours the west coast of Africa will be battered with similar-sized waves.

Between nine and 12 hours after the island collapses, waves between 20 and 50 metres high will have crossed 4,000 miles of ocean to crash into the Caribbean islands and the eastern seaboard of the US and Canada.
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Ironicly enough History channel had a show called "Countdown to Armageddon" last night that included the Las Palmas scenario. I had never heard of that before then.

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21,000 people now, how sad. I'm just glad my family decided to come to New York for christmas and my sister put off plans to go to thailand.
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I am still hoping that nobody I knew were in the area.. it is a huge vacation spot for Scandinavians and several hundred Norwegians are still missing... 10 confirmed dead..
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Some of those resort islands off the coast of Thailand are very popular with both European and North American tourists. Even the grandson of the King of Thailand was killed while on a jetski. 24,000 so far and rising. :(
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i heard that it changed the rotation of the earth...
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It is heartwarming to see that amidst all the chaos, while some people show up in their bathing suits and demand to be flown home now, some people say "No thanks" and remain behind to help out. I read a survey of 500 Norwegian tourists down there today and only 6 of them wanted to go home. The rest wanted to stay behind to do anything they could to help out. I am sure other countries have similar stories to tell as well.

To put it into perspective: I read an interview with a lady who was at WTC, in the Gulf war and at several peacekeeping missions in Europe and she said she had never seen anything even remotely as bad as this. Also read a story about a whole family that got wiped out.. a man who was supposed to marry his fiance this week and now she is missing.. a 8 months old child that got torn away from her mother..

Sad.. just so horribly sad..
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... al_waves_3

44k dead right now :(

the little miracles like the 2 year old Swedish boy found alive on the streets or 20 day old baby floating on a matress make me cry
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This is starting to look like one of the bigger tradgedies of our time.. christ.. the deathtoll is starting to reach unreal numbers now. :/
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Anyone got a pic of the wave itself? I heard from co-workers about one they keep showing on the news that is absolutly amazing.

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It's absolutely mind boggling.
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Very sad, and very humbling. Although that story someone posted above about the mega-tsunami... If you have been to the Anchorage area in alaska you can see what one of those does. There is just dead land for as far as you can see on this highway in every direction from the mega-tsunami.

When it happened, whoever didn't get wiped out when it initially came in, did when all the water came rushing back to the ocean again. Just think if alaska was a more populated place and that happened.... That is why if you go into "downtown" Anchorage buildings are no more than about 2 or 3 stories high.
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Funkmasterr wrote:Very sad, and very humbling. Although that story someone posted above about the mega-tsunami... If you have been to the Anchorage area in alaska you can see what one of those does. There is just dead land for as far as you can see on this highway in every direction from the mega-tsunami.

When it happened, whoever didn't get wiped out when it initially came in, did when all the water came rushing back to the ocean again. Just think if alaska was a more populated place and that happened.... That is why if you go into "downtown" Anchorage buildings are no more than about 2 or 3 stories high.
There are some a bit higher, but not much. My husband tells me that they now make the buildings to withstand earthquakes here. I have felt a few tremors here and there, but nothing that big (I hope I never do experience a large quake).

There is a park here in Anchorage, called "Earthquake Park" which shows the damage from the 1964 quake.

http://www.frommers.com/destinations/mo ... 0001010029

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/eihd/earthquk.htm

Though the earthquake in Alaska was a tad stronger on the scale, only 131 people died. What happened in the Indian Ocean is far far worse. :(
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Post by Animalor »

I had a co-worker/friend spending her holidays in Thailand.
I'm hoping that she was nowhere near the shore when this happened.

Death toll estimates are now at over 68k people.
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Ebumar wrote:Anyone got a pic of the wave itself? I heard from co-workers about one they keep showing on the news that is absolutly amazing.

Thanks!
Some interesting videos here:

http://jlgolson.blogspot.com/2004/12/tsunami-video.html
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Offically over 100k now, and still climbing...
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120K and rising..
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Account from one of my wife's co-workers. The pictures are staggering.

Beach Vacation Ends With Tsunami's Wrath
By Rita De Ramos
A DOW JONES NEWSWIRES COLUMN
(Editor's Note: Dow Jones Newswires Hong Kong reporter Rita De Ramos was vacationing in Phuket, Thailand, with her husband Abe and daughter Gari, about six years old, when one of the tsunamis that may have killed more than 40,000 people hit on Sunday. The following is an excerpt of an email she sent to colleagues and friends upon her return.)


HONG KONG -- We got back here in Hong Kong -- safe and sound -- last night at around 9 p.m. after leaving Phuket at 1 p.m. Flights were delayed (as expected) from Phuket and then again from the stopover in Bangkok.



I wanted to email last night but I simply couldn't get myself to start typing anything. Strangely, I couldn't actually sleep.



We arrived in Phuket on Dec 23. For several days, we started our day late because we slept late and woke up late. But on the 26th, our plan was to wake up really early and head for the beach immediately.



As God planned it, Gari couldn't be forced to wake up that day. I woke up early but was feeling really lazy anyway so I just stayed in bed. Abe was still asleep.



Around 8:30 a.m. I felt our bed shaking very hard. I thought Gari and Abe were playing a prank on me and shaking the bed, but they weren't. When I told Abe I thought there was an earthquake (the bed was still shaking while I was telling him), he said I was just imagining things.



Being so lazy, all I could do was take a token look outside our resort balcony; when I saw that people were walking around as usual, I thought that perhaps I was indeed imagining things. (Later on, after everything happened, we realized while talking to other tourists that so many of us felt the earthquake but dismissed it when our partners/friends said we were imagining things.)



Even the staff downplayed the early signs of the earthquake and attributed the movement to the strong gusts of wind that were rocking the resort. The shaking of the bed finally prompted me to rouse Abe and Gari so we could go down to have breakfast in the open-air ground-floor restaurant (150 meters from the shoreline). Then we would head to the beach and start our day.



Gari and I were even planning to rent a raft again, as we did the previous day, and ride the waves. Imagine that! Had we been on the beach as Gari and I excitedly planned, I don't know what kind of story I would be telling now. (The previous day, I was even pushing Gari out to sea on the raft and letting her paddle her way back by herself using her arms).



Around 9:15 a.m. to maybe 10 a.m. (we didn't have watches) we were having breakfast. We were at the end of dessert when we saw lots of people (maybe 50) running towards us. Gari and I stood up, at first amused at the sight (for one or two seconds). Then we saw their shocked faces. In my case, the first thing that entered my mind was there could be a rebel or terrorist attack, like maybe there were rebels coming from the sea bearing machine guns.



Take note that this all occurred in a matter of seconds. So on one side, you have people running towards us and then you have us (the people in the resort) who didn't know what was going on. For some reason, just seeing those people running towards us didn't make us run automatically. I guess it's human nature to be curious; we wanted to know what they were running from.



Then after a few seconds, we saw the water rising above the tall coconut trees and beachfront restaurants that obstructed our view and saw it rushing toward us. That's when we and the other people at the resort finally ran for our lives. From the moment we first saw the people running toward us to the moment that we ourselves began running ourselves was less than 10 seconds.



Since it wasn't clear to us what was going on (earthquake or tsunami?) we didn't immediately know what we should do. First we ran away from the beach but stayed outside. (We're always told that during earthquakes, it's better to stay on the ground rather than go up in a building.)



We kept together near the driveway of the resort, ready to make a run for it. People were running around, some were screaming, others were obviously in shock, staring into space while running. Then after about three to five minutes, things seemed to have settled down. No more running or screaming.



So we thought everything had returned to normal and Abe, Gari and I went back to the area where we were having breakfast to see what had happened.



Then we saw what was once such a beautiful garden and beachfront turned into a debris-filled swamp.



So many people were bloody. Then there were tourists and locals being carried, some were unconscious while others were in shock. Some were badly wounded and couldn't walk. In my case, I preferred that we stayed there where everyone was -- believing there was power in numbers.



But after about five minutes of calm, we saw the waters rising again and people running again toward us. Abe was far from us, taking pictures, and I knew he could take care of himself, so Gari and I ran. At this point, since we already knew it was a tsunami, we all ran to the upper floors of the resort. Gari and I ended up in the sixth-floor balcony, where we saw the water rushing inwards on the ground, flattening everything that was in its way.



Gari and I stayed put even when the waters stopped rising (because we didn't really know if it was over). Then Abe found us. We went to our room to quickly get our passports, tickets and water. We wanted to be ready to evacuate at a moment's notice.



Our resort was very efficient. At that point, they parked their vans and small truck on the driveway (which was luckily elevated), ready to evacuate us. But since they weren't sure if evacuating us was a good idea -- we would have to pass through the flooded road and there might be more tsunamis -- they didn't enforce the evacuation. It became a matter of individual choice. We decided to stay put, thinking that the resort would take care of us if something happened to us while we were there -- and no one would really feel responsible for helping us if we got washed away on the road.



But we remained ready to go at all times and only felt truly safe at around 3 p.m. By that time, I realized that my arms and legs were shaking, something I didn't notice until then. You know, to be honest, part of the reason I texted some people from the hotel was to make it known where we were, so someone would look for us in case we died.



Our resort, Club Andaman, was seven stories high, made of concrete and was among the few that weren't totally devastated. What was destroyed were the rustic-type wooden cottages on the ground level. There were tuktuks, cars, pick-up trucks, billboards, concrete slabs, everything and anything else dumped on them. Tourists who were staying in the cottages lost almost everything.



They say close to a 1,000 died in Phuket. But if you look at the aftermath, it's really a miraculous wonder how so many of us survived unhurt.



Around 2 p.m., when we thought it was safe, I ventured towards the beach by myself to see what happened, and to take pictures. (Abe and I took turns because we didn't want Gari anywhere near the beach anymore,
obviously.) What I saw was shocking -- cars, boats, jet skis, lounge chairs, luggage, televisions, billboards, concrete slabs everywhere around you.



The thousands of wooden lounge chairs, food stalls, carts, and massage tents on the beach were gone, completely swept away. The concrete breakwater was destroyed; very old and strong trees were uprooted.



The Starbucks, the seafood restaurant, and Haagen-Dazs where we ate the day before were wiped out. The bag and shoe stores and the Warner Brothers store where we shopped the day before were wiped out. The 7-Eleven where we went to buy our water was demolished.



The Thai people are remarkably resilient and I have long felt that they are the nicest people among those I've encountered in all our travels; but this time I am fully convinced. In all the chaos and its aftermath, they weren't shouting at each other or at us. They were mostly smiling while helping out and answering questions even in the crush. The policemen were so calm, telling us ever so nicely to please go to higher ground. No one was being rough.



During dinner time, the restaurant staff (though diminished in numbers) was there, feeding us.



When we finally got to the airport, there were so many people there -- many trying to get a flight out. There were tourists (maybe around 30 of
them) who still had fresh wounds. So I have a feeling they went straight to the airport as soon as they could and had been waiting there the whole time. They didn't even have bandages on their wounds. They were huddled, crying, in shock. They had other people caring for them.



Abe and I are actually determined to go back to Phuket one day .. but not with Gari. She says she doesn't want to go back there, ever.



To see the photos taken by Rita De Ramos's husband, Abe, go to:

http://homepage.mac.com/alternativeman/ ... after.html


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Post by Winnow »

Nice post Chidoro.

One thing that boggles me is that CNN has been reporting that thousands of Americans are missing at the moment. Of course, some of those are people that just haven't reported in but I think we'll be seeing quite a few more American casualties than the twelve reported so far. Another thing worth noting is that the various countries have said they won't bury foreigners in the mass graves but I'd guess that several foreigners including Americans will be buried in those graves or burned in the mass piles of people on the beaches.

I'm betting we'll have quite a few people end up missing and never found.
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A lot of people will be missing after this.. dragged out to sea or burned or burried. Nothing that can be done about it, the bodies have to be removed to avoid diseases.

Interesting to read how the animals reacted pre-tsunami. Basically no animals died, they all knew what was happening and got out there. Goes to show that we are not as much in touch with the Earth as we probably should be.

Then again, if you saw a convoy of elephants, cows, dogs.. you name it.. wouldn't you stop to wonder?
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